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I'm digging through messenger/emails as I recall proof that Troy said no (since we were planning to try and do it haha).
If I were you I'd email DNROI and ask.
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1 minute ago, jwhittin said:
Correct. That language is in the March 2020 V2 rule book.
Again I ask, what is an example of a " Modular frames in the 1911 style" if a so called "2011 frame" is not allowed. We are talking about the frame, not the grip.
The Staccato 1911 (R, whatever model).
Yes it says 2011, yes its dimensionally almost the same as a wide body 2011... but this one is allowed and a 2011 (wide body) isn't.
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7 minutes ago, jwhittin said:
March 2020 V2 is the latest.
Found it... Meeting minutes from Feb 14th 2020 USPSA meeting has this in it.
Discussion regarding definition of Single Stack and definition of Single Stack frame and magazine. Clarification to be made to existing rules by DNROI with support from the Board of Directors. In summary, while modular frames are, and have been, legal in Single Stack Division, only those in the 1911 style, using traditional single stack 1911 magazines are allowed. No wide body magazines, including those adapted to feed in a single column, may be used.
It doesn't address the inserts mentioned above but there is other things out that that state this... trying to find them LOL.
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Its been a while but as I recall it... the following options were presented.
A 2011 (STI Eagle basically) that complied with all the SS rules, weight, fit in the box, etc.
-Grip made specifically to take traditional 1911 mags.
-Grip inserts that would covert a regular plastic/aluminum 2011 grip into one that fits 1911 mags.
-Using 'single stack' wide body mags (they exist, 10rder from STI)
All were deemed not allowed. A statement was issued (idk where trying to find it) detailing this rule change that I'm (assuming) will be put into the rulebook.
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6 minutes ago, DirkD said:
I would be willing to slap a hundred dollar bill down on it at Single Stack Nationals.
Their statement doesn't mean much, the rule book does.Troy made the ruling and he'll be the RM.
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1 hour ago, DirkD said:
what is the difference between taking a 2011 and putting a single stack grip on it and using a staccato 2011 that takes a single stack mags in single stack?
Nothing other than USPSA doesn't want you to do the first one and issued a statement saying so.
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40 minutes ago, jwhittin said:
After re-reading the rules, a 2011 frame is of modular "1911 style" and is allowed. The restrictions are on the magazines not the grip. So it looks like any grip that will accept a 1911 magazine that you can attach to a 2011 frame is allowed.
Is that your understanding?
This is specifically prohibited.... I know several people who have tired every possible angle and you cannot, per DNROI shoot any 2011 wide body in single stack.
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The rulebook for SS should just be changed to "Staccato model ____ is legal in single stack, no other 2011, modular frame gun is until HQ allows it". As that is basically what they want to say.
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After HQ allowed the Staccato (which as you said is a modular frame, 2011, 'single stack', with strikingly similar dimensions to a 2011 double stack) they got a bunch of people asking if they could us a double stack 2011 with a single stack mag (either via single stack grip, or inserts allowing only a single stack to fit) and HQ came out with a reply that saying you can't convert 2011 wide bodies into single stacks in any way/shape/form.... even though EVERYTHING that people were doing mirrored EXACTLY what the Staccato is.
Doesn't matter, USPSA got paid, and then STI abandoned competition shooting as a whole so this ones pretty much dead except for a few people that guy those specific, overpriced guns.
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Your "Championship" will have like 10-15 participants that already shoot all of the top matches in those sports.
No one else is going to spend money to have 6-10 dedicated guns to shoot this one and only match... especially when most people don't care-to-hate multiple of those shooting sports and partake in their specific one for a reason.
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7 hours ago, Brooke said:
USPSA is about shooting not about silly things to do.
Because you can't shooting one handed or think beyond 'go here, shoot what I see' it doesn't make prop manipulation, memory stages, or WSB that require you to do 'something' while shooting... silly. Things that introduce challenges to shooting are in fact 'shooting'. The goal of USPSA is to get the highest hit factor on a stage.. that stage can be whatever the course designer wants.
There are people who think moving more than 10yds, having to go prone, or pick up a mag off a table is silly too.
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21 hours ago, SGT_Schultz said:
That's a great idea for someone who is a B or high C. I'll definitely adopt something similar.
For someone newer like Flea he needs live fire confirmation of the basics he's drilling in dry fire first.
I'm assuming he knows how to shoot a pistol.. if fundamental pistol skills don't exist (like shooting groups) then that's a whole different story.
You can be a 2% D class shooter and improving your entry/exit will still be the best match improvement item that exists.
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If all you have is 50rds to practice don't waste your time standing and shooting groups... or standing and drawing. All of that stuff can be incorporated into a drill... Then work on the fundamentals in dryfire (which you should probably do fairly often for 15-30mins to account for the last of live fire).
I'd work on entry/exit drills with 2 targets and 2 plates. Put the plates at 15yds (or w/e distance is hard) and the paper at 7yds (whatever distance you can comfortable shoot into/out of). With 50rds its a 6 shot drill, you can do it 9 times.
(easy exit, easy entry) Draw on steel/leave on paper then enter on paper/finish on steel.
(hard exit, hard entry) Draw on paper, leave on steel, enter on steel, finish on the paper.
(easy exit, hard entry) Draw on steel, leave on paper, then enter on steel, finish on paper.
Hard exit, easy entry) Draw on paper, leave on steel, enter on paper, finish on steel.
Throw in reloads between positions.
Entry/exit is the most common thing you do in a match and the most difficult to practice in dryfire (as you can lie to yourself on how stable your gun is if you're not actually shooting). Plus you're drawing and reloading under an actual match scenario which is more realistic than standing and drawing at target.
I wouldn't practice SHO/WHO if you have limited ammo, while this is a VERY important skill to have it comes up very rarely and would not be a priority if you have such a limited round count.
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Literally don't waste your time.. shoot the way you do now.
I do it because that's how I started shooting pistols, it works equally good as not... Don't waste your time changing the end result will be the same, work on something else.
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On 12/9/2020 at 8:16 AM, BillChunn said:
USPSA is about shooting. IMHO adding "stupid human tricks" does not make a stage better. Even if you word the WSB down to the gnat's a$$, the gamers are going to figure out a way to defeat the stage designer's intentions.
Things done in the past to get around stupid human tricks:
- Magazine thrown at a hinged port to open it in advance. Was it an advantage? The competitor thought so. No, he didn't win the stage but the one feed lip on his Open gun magazine had a nice new dent.
- Suitcase thrown onto stomp pad which activated a swinger. By the time the competitor got to that target, it was no longer moving.
- Carry something from the start position to the last shooting position which was about 50' away. Almost everyone in the match took the one procedural.
- Stage designer wanted strong-hand only in a 32 round field course. Mandated the object be "carried" in the WSB. Most stuck it behind a magazine on their belt leaving both hands on the gun.
- After the beep, find your bullets in a bowl of marbles and load them into your empty magazine to start the stage. Competitors just turned the bowl over on the table and the marbles rolled away providing easier access to the ammunition.
Make stages a challenge to shoot, not play around with other stuff. But hey, that's just my opinion.
BC
... is this stuff Roy Neal has tired before at his matches
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As mentioned... someone will game it and figure out a way to not activate it with the suitcase, I wouldn't worry about it... the stage plan will likely be dumb and slow and that shooter will not do well on the stage... but this is America, you can do what you want.
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On 12/8/2020 at 6:07 PM, Atlasguy321 said:
first off, this isn’t a question for any RO/CRO test.
im designing a stage where I want the activator to be activated by a prop and can’t find in the book if this is ok. I didn’t know if this would fit into “free style”
I was wanting to put in the WSB that you MUSTA ACTIVATE the stomp box with a suit case. If you activate using anything else, it will result in 1 procedural for each shot fired.
Is your goal to force the shooter to decide if they want to carry and shoot one handed or run somewhere, activate it and then shoot the stage?
If so.... then state in the WSB that the suitcase must be carried or placed on the stomp pad, any shots fired with the suitcase not on the pad/carried will result in a per shot penalty. Suitcase may be put down to reload/clear jams/etc. Then... make the stomp pad the size for only the suitcase (not someone's foot, a mag, etc.) If you do this people by default activate it via the suitcase.
Area 3 does this all the time. Makes you decide if you want to run down range and activate then shoot back or carry it and shoot it upwards. FYI... its almost always better to run down and shoot back.
HOWEVER... if you goal is to just have them activate it with a suitcase and the suitcase doesn't do anything else (create a shooting challenge or stage plan challenge) then skip the suitcase it adds nothing to the stage.
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If you want to get good at USPSA stick with one gun/division and CO or open has plenty of competition anywhere you go. If you want to have fun, then do w/e you want.
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So to confirm, the rule book is correct.
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2 minutes ago, BillChunn said:
Obviously both of you can do a much better job of creating a question using the English language than I could possibly attempt. The question remains why won't you do it?
Until DNROI answers my e-mail, I'm done with this pissing contest.
BC
Because I'm not going to email Troy asking if the rules in the rulebook are legal when I already know they are?
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Just now, BillChunn said:
So e-mail Troy: DNROI@uspsa.org
BC
Why? It says in the rulebook that grip modifications are allowed in production....
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Glad to see you didn't actually ask the specific question of "Is changing out the P320 grip on any P320 with a non-SIG/factory grip allowed in all divisions".
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32 minutes ago, BillChunn said:
Tell it to Troy.... The Wilson Combat WCP-320 is on the approved production list.
https://uspsa.org/productionlist
This is the only entry for Polymer80, the PFS9 :
PFS9 is a pistol.. not a grip.
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Bill...
WCP-320 is a pistol.
There is nothing on the production list that states P320 interchangable grips are illegal.
Single Stack Division - Slide Question
in USPSA/IPSC Rules
Posted
For the record... I want to be able to have people shoot 2011s with single stack mags in single stack... as allowing the Staccato R, in my opinion sets the precedence that this would be allowed since 'modular frame 1911s' are allowed, Staccato R says 2011 on it, and is dimensionally almost the same as say an STI Eagle.
HQ... disagreed with a bunch of trying to figure out how to do this earlier this year.