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Rather than start a new thread, I decided to resurrect this one since it is sort of the same subject and those who are interested can see some of the history. Today, I finally got around to loading some more 9mm and went back to the range. I was lazy and only took one load: 3.5 grains of TiteGroup under Berry 147 grain RN with Federal 100 primers, OAL was 1.164. The loads functioned flawlessly in my G34. I tried all five of my 10 round mags repeatedly with 10 in the mag and one in the gun; I shot two handed, strong hand, weak hand, and had no failures to feed. I chrono'ed 10 rounds. There was one that clocked 871 fps, but the other nine ranged from 940 to 978 and averaged 957 fps, so that puts the PF at just over 140. Recoil seemed a little snappy, but I was really more interested in reliability, so the recoil evaluation will be more thorough later. Comments are welcome on the above, but I have two questions. 1. Will I see an improvement on consistency in powder measure if I order and install the extra small powder bar for my RL550B, or is it just a waste of money? 2. For quite some time, I have been using 3.5 grains of TiteGroup behind a 180 grain .40 bullet in my G35. (It worked OK unless I tried to put 10 in the mag and one in the tube; then I would get some feed failures, but I used it anyway.) So, now that I am using the same amount of powder (3.5 grains of TiteGroup) under a 147 grain bullet in my G34, it seems logical that recoil ought to be 18% less (180 minus 147 equals 33, and 33 divided by 180 equals .183.) It's logical, but is it correct? What say the experts?

First, thanks to all for the replies. Next, let me say that I don't really need a load with less recoil. It's just that until I find a load that barely makes the 125pf, I don't know how much I am giving up by being satisfied with 130pf or more. The truth is I don't need a load of any pf any more than I need to shoot competitively. This is just a hobby for me, and experimentation is part of the fun, as is gathering information from those who are more experienced than I. And while it is undoubtedly true that I have a lot to learn about gripping the gun, that doesn't diminish my desire to test the limits of recoil reduction. After all, I have that RL550B and that other stuff that I need to justify by something other than the three or four cents I save per reloaded round. Now, to address some of your suggestions. 1. Note that even with 3.1 grains of TiteGroup, I have failures to feed and failures to eject. Sometimes the empty just stovepipes, but sometimes it ejects and the next round jams with its nose against the feed ramp and the rim not quite under the extractor. (If this load functioned flawlessly, I could be satisfied with the 130pf.) 2. The recoil spring is a good fit for the rod, however when I do the test suggested by Flexmoney, I see that the rearward slide travel is about 1/16" farther with the stock rod assembly than with the ss rod and 13 pound spring. I don't know if that is because the spring is binding on the rod or simply because the coils of the spring have reached the maximum compression. 3. The OAL (1.162) may be too long. I stretched it out there based on a belief that it would reduce the pressure, but maybe if I seated a little deeper, it would feed more reliably (although I don't think that wouldn't do anything for the ejection problem.) 4. The magazines are essentially brand new, and are undoubtedly tight. Failures occur most often after the first shot in a 10+1 situation, but have also occured further into the mag. 5. The fact that JoeD seems to be able to run the exact same load that I would like to try makes me more determined to puzzle it out. JoeD, would you please post the OAL of your load, primers used, as well as the recoil spring and guide rod details? Thanks again to all.

A while back, I posted a request for some load suggestions for my Glock 34. One of the loads suggested was 3.3 grains of TiteGroup behind a 147 grain Berry RN. I tried it and liked it, but it was a little hotter than I needed (950 fps.) So, today, I tried 3.1 grains of TiteGroup and it clocked 900 fps, so the PF is 132; I am after 125, and would like to try 3.0. The problem however is that the 3.1 won't reliably cycle the slide even with a Glockmeister SS guide rod and a 13 pound ISMI spring. Any suggestions?

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I enjoyed and recommend the video. The title "Winning IDPA Techniques" led me to believe there would be more emphasis on improving my scores and not so much on fundamentals (rules, gear, etc.) An example of what I could use more of is the instruction on doing "military turns" on the classifier strings that start with the shooter's back to the target; that will take off some time. (Maybe those sorts of things are covered in earlier videos - which I haven't seen.) However, the video is a great reference on how to shoot the qualifier. I took Matt's scores string by string and scaled them down to Expert SSP goals to work toward. I then compared those goals to my last qualifer scores and discovered that I shot fast enough to make Expert, but I missed too much. So my plan is to reduce my misses while maintaining my speed and move up at our next club qualifier in the spring; of course practice is the only way to get there. The Excel spreadsheet is available via e-mail for those of you who are as pedantic as I am.

Call me cheap, but I am very satisfied with plastic adjustable Glock rear sight on my G35 used in conjunction with the Dawson .125 fo front sight. I have been using this combo for well over a year and liked it so much, I put the same on my new G34. The Glock plastic adjustable rear hasn't given a minute's trouble and the sight picture with the Dawson fo front looks good to me. I also like that the fo in the Dawson is easily replaceable unlike the SDM fo front I put on my S&W 610. When I contacted them about replacement fo's, I got a snippy e-mail back saying that unless I was a dentist, I couldn't replace it anyway probably was just trying to "scam" them for free fo. Go figure.

Following is an e-mail that I sent to IDPA asking the question. Their answers are interspersed with my questions. Sir, I will answer below. Sincerely, Sandra Tumbleson IDPA Staff -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:49 AM To: info@idpa.com Subject: Rules Questions 1. Are fiber optic front sights permitted? 1 & 2 Yes as long as they are of standard notch and post design. 2. Are fiber optic rear sights permitted? 3. Are extended slide locks and mag releases permitted on Glock 17’s in SSP? 3 & 4. Yes as long as they still meet all other division criteria. 4. Are extended slide locks and mag releases permitted on Glock 22’s in SSP? 5. Are metal guide rods permitted on Glocks in SSP? Excluded modification: Guide rod made of a material different than the factory part if replaces. 6. What class does a stock Springfield Armory XD compete in? The XD belongs in ESP. Thanks.

Thanks to all for the suggestions. Since I have TiteGroup, I'll try it first and then the N320.

Just bought a G34 and want to load with TiteGroup. Need to make 125,000 pf and use stock recoil spring and guide rod, but want minimal recoil. What bullet weights and charges of TiteGroup have you had success with? Thanks.

I shoot 3.5 grains of TiteGroup, Federal 100 primers, and 180 grain Berry plated FP's. In my G35 - 794 fps, G22 - 761 fps, G23 - 740 fps, and XD40 - 733 fps. Anything less won't reliably cycle the slide in my G35 with stock recoil spring and guide rod, and just to be sure, I don't load 11 rounds - only 10.

I haven't shot it left handed and I suppose it could be the shooter, but I shoot my S&W610 to SS level in IDPA SSR, and my G35 to SS level in SSP. I really think it's the Ruger; I have tuned the action so it's smooth and I could have an adjustable rear sight put on to correct the windage, but the 4" groups need to shrink by about 2 1/2" before I spend the money to have the sights changed.

I would like to shoot my Ruger Service Six 9mm in SSR, but the groups are about 4" in size and about 3" left of POA at 20 yards. Any suggestions?

I would like to shoot my Ruger Service Six 9mm in SSR, but the groups are about 4" and about 3" left of POA at 20 yards. Any suggestions?

Can you suggest a load? Preferably using TiteGroup.

Thanks to all for the input. I do reload .40 S&W with an RL550B and could buy a conversion kit for .38 super, so that is an option. However, I would like to shoot 9mm for two reasons: first, I don't want to hunt brass after each session (our range is grass and isn't mowed very often,) and second, I think that by the time I buy bullets, primers, powder, and replacement brass, the cost of .38 supers will be about the same as the Wally World 100 packs of 9mm, i.e. about 11 cents per round. But, as most of you seem to think, the conversion is probably not worth the effort. Maybe I'll try to sell the gun again. Thanks.

I have a Colt Government Model series 80 in .38 Super that has had a lot of work done on it, and it shoots really well, but I wonder if it is practical to convert it to a 9x19. I have heard stories about .38 Supers that would handle 9x19 ammo with no change, but that is not what I am after. (I am thinking of shooting this gun in IDPA ESP class.) So, you 1911 experts, what would it take (barrel and mags and ?) and where could I get it done?