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  1. Wow, I stand corrected. Thanks for the info Blue. I have always been told that by manufacturers that I've talked to and it seemed like it was common knowledge for many years. I wonder if these are the exact powders or just a similar powder to duplicate the loads (about the WST and WSF)? Thanks!

    Winchester uses St Marks Powder and uses their (SMP's) numerical designation on some of the powders. The same character of powder Winchester uses is sold to handloaders. The WSF you buy on the shelf might be a different lot number with very, very slight changes in burn rate, but it's for the most part what they use. AutoComp is called SMP 224, H110/W296 is called SMP 296, W231/HP-38 is called SMP 231, W748 and W760 are also called SMP 748 and 760, respectively. I will have to look up the numbers for WAP and WSF, but WAP is now marketed as Ramshot Silhouette and date is identical. I think WSF is something like SMP 177.

    And as a big fan of WSF and the 20ga shotgun, yes those do identically duplicate the Winchester AA loads.

  2. I have been a Bear Creek dealer for years.

    I have thought about becoming a dealer here for a long time. If word of mouth/the forum ever picked up my business to where I could have consistent sales, I would be glad to donate to the forum and become a dealer.

    In 10k+ quantities, my bullets are cheaper than even bare cast lead bullets.

    The only way to get better prices than my moly bullets is to cast them yourself in your backyard.

    Might as well since you promote the fact that you sell bullets often enough.

  3. Seriously, get rid of Blue Dot for lead. I can't say it more clearly. Use WSF.

    Seriously, you haven't presented any reason that powder selection has anything to do with anything. Nor should it, the powder has no way of "knowing" what kind of bullet it's propelling.

    I'm not going to "get rid of" two powders that have always worked well for me - including with cast lead, just not these particular bullets.

    Powder selection has a lot to do with lead bullets. Lasc.us is a good resource and explains it better than a single forum post would.

    WSF burns at a cooler temperature than Blue Dot. This doesn't heat up the base of the bullet as much, eliminating leading.

    WSF burns more consistently than Blue Dot. This gives a more complete burn of powder so the energy is transferred to bullet propulsion longer in the barrel than powder burning.

    WSF is more economical to achieve the same pressure.

    WSF meters much better than Blue Dot resulting in more consistent ammunition.

    WSF has a burn rate that is a better balance for lead bullets. Too fast or too slow will have negative effects on leading. HP38/W231 to Silhouette/WAP is the ideal burn rate range for pistol cartridges using lead bullets. Faster or slower than that and you will have issues such as excessive smoke and leading.

    WSF is better for this application than Blue Dot and Bullseye.

    It is my opinion based on years of experience loading the 10mm from 100-245gr jacketed and cast bullets both personally and professionally that Blue Dot should remain for jacketed bullet high velocity in the 10mm only. Furthermore, Bullseye has no practical application in the 10mm, lead, jacketed, or otherwise. I'm not telling you to get rid of any powders, I'm telling you the way to fix this problem you are having is to NOT use what powders you are using and use WSF.

  4. Loaded up some Missouri bullets with Blue Dot and got to the range yesterday.

    The good news: Charges from 9.2 to 10.2 grains appear to be safe. Even at the top end, the primers remained nice and round-looking. No signs of excessive pressure. Again, Blue Dot is a nice 10mm powder.

    The bad news: I still got leading down the whole length of the barrel. However...I'm not sure, but I think perhaps the amount of lead deposited was less than with Bullseye. Will have to shoot some more of both (Bullseye and Blue Dot) loads and photograph the bore to be sure.

    More bad news: It was too late in the day, so my Chrony only worked for the first few shots. The 9.2 gr. Blue Dot loads were producing at least 1100 ft/s, so I'm sure the hotter loads (9.6 and 10.2 gr.) were doing well also. But I'm pretty sure the readings I got at that point (>1500 ft/s!) were erroneous.

    Still more bad news: None of the Missouri Bullets loads w/Blue Dot cycled my Glock 20 consistently. Lots of failures to feed. It almost looked like the slide was either not opening all the way, or by the same token closing on the rounds before they could feed up out of the magazine.

    Possible complicating factor: I was using a 22 lb. recoil spring. Going to try it again with the Blue Dot loads and the original (17#) recoil spring.

    Note that through all of this testing, I use a Lone Wolf replacement barrel. I clean it between sessions with a Tetra lead remover cloth, which works remarkably well in getting the lead out. A few strokes with that and the bore is nearly pristine again.

    Seriously, get rid of Blue Dot for lead. I can't say it more clearly. Use WSF.

  5. You need to use WSF in 10mm lead. Oregon Trail bullets are stupid hard and there is not one single application that needs a cast bullet over 18BHN and even that's a stretch.

    Put 6.0-6.5grgr WSF behind anything 170-180gr in the 10mm set to 1.250" with a standard primer and call it a day.

  6. For 32 H&R I run a 100gr SWC with 5.0gr WSF. This load is not in a loading manual and has been worked up by a commercial manufacturer/reloader (myself). If you want to use it, it's on your dime; my company nor myself personally holds liability for your loading results. Use your head, don't be stupid. FOR RUGER REVOLVERS ONLY!!

    For 9mm I run a 135gr Slippery Spitzer with 4.2gr WSF.

    For 10mm I run a 220gr SWC I designed with 6.2gr WSF and a few others I won't post. I can run it from 800fps to 1150fps from a 4.25 inch 1911.

    For 45 ACP I run a 230gr TC with 6.0gr WSF.

    Can you tell I like WSF for lead?

  7. When the bullet is in supersonic flight, what's happening is the velocity is so fast that it creates a V of airflow around the bullet. Behind the base of the bullet has no turbulence. This area is where a vacuum exists. The sound you hear as a supersonic crack is the air on both sides of the bullet rushing it to fill that vacuum (high pressure to low pressure) and it makes the sound.

  8. Freakshow & Rob - I agree, there is nothing that compares to a 1050 for home use but calling the Dillon a commercial press is like calling an ultra-light an airplane, yeah they fly but not far and not fast. Having visited commercial reloader there are machines that are much more appropriate for the task but they take lots of space and lots of electricity. Loading for resale on a 1050 is a loosing proposition.

    I disagree. I'm a commercial reloader and use a 1050 for loading. For the volume I do it's perfect. If I was shipping even 5 cases of ammo daily, that's another thing. I don't ship and only load ammo for local sales so the 1050 handles it well. All depends on what market you wish to serve. I learned a hard and expensive lesson that I can't compete with online sales, so I stay local. Mail order with a 1050 is very doable if you have the time and it's used as a stepping stone for a Camdex or AmmoLoad for the popular 9/40/45/223 stuff. I've consulted a few new ammo loaders on equipment and they are doing just fine using 1050s and selling mail order.

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