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I was very happy with the old Wolf primers, which were $90 per 5k and worked flawlessly. In fact, my carry ammo is loaded with them.
Dear God man, that's silly. I'll give you some factory carry ammo if you'll stop carrying handloads...and I'm not just saying that! There is absolutely no reason for anybody to carry handloads....I can go on and on why, but I think the fact that I'd offer up free ammo, says I've got a painfully long description of what it's a bad idea (many reasons). R,
I carry my handloads. I also load ammo for a living.
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EDIT: One other thing- I believe there are several companies that market their ammo as FMJ when in reality it's plated- CCI for one... they should be clearer.
Yup. Even the FMJ isn't very accurate description of the bullets. They aren't "full" metal jacket. They are partial metal jacket. Then total metal jacket is used instead for a completely encapsulated bullet. But total is not full, yet the definition of full has a totality. So really the full metal jacket isn't correct either.
But for my personal ammo, I cast a 130gr bullet out of wheel weights for $9.50/1,000ct.
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Xtreme Plated 115gr RN are $72/K shipped from TJ Conevera's. Ordering direct from Xtreme is for fools with money to waste.
First time I've seen anyone mention TJ's....good resource.
At only $2/K less than PD 115FMJs, those prices are still a ripoff. At our last match, a newbie (shooting Minor) what having almost 50% of his bullets keyhole (at every distance). I asked him what he was shooting, and it was a generic reload, can't recall the brand. The reloader/seller told him they were jacketed. I showed him that they were plated...they charged him as if they were jacketed and these prices are probably why. When I told him how much Atlanta Arms is charging for their reloads, with good Zero jacketed bullets (less than what he paid) he wasn't very happy
I've mentioned TJC before for Xtreme bullets. Xtreme is in a league of their own in the plated bullet market as their jacket is as thick as traditional cup and core jacketed bullets.
Regarding ammo pricing you have to remember Atlanta Arms uses Camdex machines and the reloader he bought them from probably just uses Dillon progressives. Quite a bit of difference when you are talking operational economies of scale. Just because they are reloads doesn't mean the price has to be cheaper or should be cheaper anyway.
Tumbling bullets could be one of many things.
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I had a spring problem with my press when I got it a year ago. Dillon replaced the spring and it's worked for tens of thousands of rounds since.
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Xtreme Plated 115gr RN are $72/K shipped from TJ Conevera's. Ordering direct from Xtreme is for fools with money to waste.
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Yes. TJC's brass is just cleaned, decapped, and crimp removed. It's also checked for splits. No sizing is performed.
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I've used the Wolf SRM in 9mm with no issues. Just make sure to seat them firmly and properly and you shouldn't have issues.
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All thats required is ORM-D which could mean its hairspray or the like.
Not completely accurate. The DOT regs state the proper nomenclature is "ORM-D Small Arms Ammunition" or ORM-D Cartridges, Small Arms". No other designation is compliant with DOT regs, which are specific to package labels.
Hairspray is to be shipped as "ORM-D Consumer Commodity".
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The 9mm was developed with an 8 gram bullet, which is about 124gr. That's what I like.
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Individuals that sell make and sell bullets without having the proper FFL are operating illegally.
I was under the impression that you only needed an FFL if you were selling assembled cartridges but not if you were manufacturing just the projectile.
So does this mean that any person casting lead bullets in their garage is infringing upon the law? Or do they fall into an exemption clause as long as they are not profiting from the sale of the item?
Edited for clarification.
No, reloading for personal use only is not manufacturing ammunition and does not require an FFL.
According to the Gun Control Act of 1968, ammunition includes loaded cartridges and individual components (see 27 CFR 478.11 for definitions). For purposes of the Act, bullets (cast, machined, swaged, any manner of manufacturing methods) are ammunition. The manufacture of such, including casting lead alloy bullets, for consideration (legal term for sale, trade, barter, exchange, compensation, et al) is the act of manufacturing for livelihood and profit. Even selling at cost or charging labor only is forbidden without the manufacturing FFL. The ATF considers it an attempt to make profit, therefore falling under the law. This also applies to the gun show reloaders that sell their reloads at gun shows without a license. There is no exemption for selling just at gun shows and they are doing so illegally. Gunbroker is full of guys selling their reloads without a license. Anyone can make up a fancy label, buy the packaging, and make up a business type name for their reloads. Very few licensed reloaders sell on Gunbroker. Some people think that if you are reloading fired brass you don't need an FFL and that is completely false.
Sure there are many people and outfits that are casting bullets, swaging bullets, and making ammo without the proper FFL. If and when the ATF catches up with them, they will not be nice as they take violations like that very seriously. I on the other hand, have the proper licensing for my company.
The manufacturing FFL types are:
06 Manufacturer of ammunition for firearms other than destructive devices
07 Manufacturer of firearms other than destructive devices (also allowed to manufacture ammunition for the same)
10 Manufacturer of destructive devices and ammunition for destructive devices (also allowed to manufacture "normal" firearms and ammunition for the same)
06 is ammo only. 07 is firearms and ammo (plus dealer privileges). 10 is everything (aka "the super license")
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i think it was in 2008. do you know of an indevidual that sells lead cast bullets?
Buy bullets from a commercially licensed FFL. Individuals that sell make and sell bullets without having the proper FFL are operating illegally.
Even in 2008, selling cast bullets for $30 per thousand is just plain stupid. That leads me to believe they are not properly licensed.
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I've had barrel work done at Hunter Customs (.com) and will return in the future. That's the only smith I have experience with and it was excellent both times.
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Titegroup burns hot and produces more smoke than other powders.
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Don't know about cheapest but I've used Missouri Bullet Company quite a lot and really like them. www.missouribullet.com
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Then you'll start casting bullets out of wheel weights and realize now with an extra 2 hours of labor you can shoot bullets that cost you $10 per 1,000. Now you got free brass, $30 primers, $10 powder, and $10 bullets. Look, you're shooting a case of 9mm lead reloads for only $50 per K.
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I load my 9mm out to 1.17 in my gun. I've got my Pro Carry with KKM 9mm barrel and I'm just using the 10mm Metalform mags for 9mm. Hand cycles so far but I'll have to hit the range in a few days. For any 1911 gun, loading closest to the .45's OAL will make feeding much more reliable (also why the 10mm's OAL is based off the .45's).
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I compete in IDPA, as that's the only gun game in my area, and use my hybrid 1911. Started life as a Kimber Pro Carry .40 S&W, but I got it rechambered to 10mm Auto. Got sick of the bull barrel so I sold the upper and replaced it with a commander length upper with correct bushing barrel, also chambered in 10mm Auto and had it bobtailed for carry. For mags I use 8rd Metalform round follower, welded base and have never had any feeding issues in either .40 or 10mm. I load .40 to 1.125 OAL and it will hand cycle as well as run the slide when fired without issue (yes I know about excessive headspace -it was a test of 50rds).
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You know it.
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Yes I'm very interested in making one.
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Good stuff. I know shadowdog500 from GT too.
The concept of the vibraprime is so simple but I'm too lazy to figure out how to get the stuff together and make one myself.
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Frankford Arsenal, the maker of the Vibra Prime, said the demand wasn't there to continue to produce them.
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You will have to measure the sized cases as you shoot them as they will grow.
If this is part of what you mean by "processing," I don't know of anyone who will trim and take care of case neck thickness for you.
Processed is polished, decapped, primer crimp removed.
Custombrassprocessing.com will size and trim brass for you if you want to go that route. I've never bothered to trim .223. It wears out before it needs it.
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When I loaded .223, I bought all my brass from TJ Conevera. Currently, he has mixed processed for $69/ delivered.
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Montana Gold bullets are coated with tears of virgins. Embrace it and keep on loading.
Berry's vs Montana Gold
in 9mm/38 Caliber
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One of the reasons for the test with DT ammo is Double Tap switched the bullets from the 115gr Gold Dot (calling them Bonded Defense) to the MG JHP (a competition bullet) during the shortage. They did this without notifying their customers and kept charging the higher price. Dozens of people got pissed that DTA sent out competition bullets instead of defense bullets because people bought the 115gr Bonded Defense (Gold Dot) load for defense. So someone bought some ammo from them and ran a backyard test which showed the bullet marketed and sold as one thing, was not in fact what they were buying (bait and switch). DTA lost a lot of customers from that.
Like Bart said, the jacketed (cup and core) are more consistent than plated. Look at the jacket surface and you will see minor dents and inconsistencies in the plated bullets versus the nearly perfect smooth line of the jacketed. For my ammo I sell two types of loads. I use plated for suppressed shooting where the bullet being completely encapsulated is better for suppressor cleanliness and it's casual blasting ammo where accuracy isn't priority #1. The competition ammo I sell is loaded with true jacketed bullets because they are more accurate out of more guns than plated. It's more expensive but customers will pay more for better accuracy. For the people that carry guns and shoot 100 rounds a month at 21 feet, plated is all they need.
Buying MG bullets in case quantity is only a few dollars more than plated bullets from TJ Conevera, but not everyone can afford to buy a case at a time.