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"I'm always careful to discard the used rice where birds won't eat it. " Rice sounds like the way to go. Sounds like it will also help get rid of the pesky birds and varmints from the yard too! Thanks for the tip!

Duane, it says "The Ice Magwell is the fastest, easiest, most consistent magwell for IDPA and IPSC competition." On the search page it says IDPA approved. (bottom right) http://glockstore.com/index/388/?&page...=&filter_4= Also the picture of the insert at the bottom of the page is not the one they sent me. Obviously the one in the pic is brass. But mine was black and didn't have the long pointy end. It was just rounded off.

Chills, it's still way under the weight limit.

If you have read threads about this in the past it was decided that the Dawson Ice magwell was not legal for even ESP in IDPA. This was due to the brass insert. I just ordered one with the intent to have an instert machined out of steel. When I sent it to my friend he told me that it was steel. (He also made me one out of tool steel that will be a little heavier and harder!) I just got off the phone with Dawson and they said that over this summer, they switched the insert to steel! Here is where I ordered: http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/7470_...h_val%3Dmagwell Notice that it states on this page that it is IDPA legal! Bout time! And yet, i measured it and it will fit in the box.

Not to argue or anything, but why didn't the course description just say, "both hands on the cards." It just said hold in the cards.

Strick, where does the rulebook state how fast you have to move? (just read it and it says nothing about speed, just how far you can move in a match) I have been at two state matches where shooters were moving and the SO's were telling them to "move" (move faster). I think I agree with you, that moving is moving, and should be viewed that way. But once again its how I have been judged at matches and it's something that I would like to see improved so that there is more consistency. Chris, I have no doubt that I could have double tapped the targets like you did, but wanted to stay true to how I have been judged in the past at large matches. I love IDPA, just wish they would get rid of some of these "subjective" terms/rules. I'd like them to say, movement is movement, do not tell a shooter to speed up if they are moving, no matter how slow. As long as they don't stop. One SO says 1mph is moving. another says 3mph is moving and one mph is not fast enough. I think if there is any movement they are moving, whether it is .01mph or 10! It the course is designed well, it will be an advantage to at least move quickly to the next position. Just my two cents.

Chris, in my club and the others I have shot at (state matches) you would have at least got a warning for not moving fast enough from P1 to cover. I am not trying to castigate anyone, just pointing out some stuff that as a Master level competitor didn't make since or wasn't consistent with the last 4 years I have shot IDPA, that's all. Still haven't heard about table games yet.

So I got the Ice Magwell the other day and mailed the insert to a friend who has a machine shop. Asked him to make me one out of steel. He called me today and told me that the insert is steel! Anyway, he is making me one out of machined steel so it will be heavier anyway. I couldn't tell if it was brass or steel as it was painted black. It's weird too, because it is listed on the site I bought it from, as IDPA approved. http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/7470_...h_val%3Dmagwell Now I'm just looking for some good mag extensions so my mags lock

You didn't have to shoot them while moving. The stage procedure gives you the option to go straight to cover and shoot them from cover. To me this would be the preferred way to shoot it. My point was that it is the only way to shoot it. Unless your draw is .5 with concealment and the SO's let you inch your way to cover, they can't be shot on the move. Well, maybe one shot?

I see what you are saying, but why not make the wall longer? solves the problem and doesn't make a difference even compared to a stage with barrels.

Just shot the Postal match and have to say a few things. First off, I am very grateful for the postal match. I think it is a great way to have a national match with no extra cost to shooters. I think USPSA should have one too! But I have a hunch neither one of these assosiations will ever admit they can learn anything from each other. Oh well. The stages this year were good, but were a little odd. All of the targets were laid out to be 4'-3.5' tall! We were shooting the floor of our range all night. What was this year a "little person" shoot? I don't get it. Most targets I have shot are about 5-6' to the top. Secondly on stage 1, "Table Games" the CO states, Started seated with gun holstered holding cards (a deck of cards). http://www.idpa.com/09PostalMatch/Postal09.pdf I wanted to start with cards in my left hand and my right hand on my gun. But was told I couldn't. So i asked if I could start the same way with my hand over the gun and was told no. This vagueness in the description makes me mad. I know that other clubs will shoot this differently and this is just simply stupid to not be more detailed in such a match. IDPA is famous for being so ridged and yet they leave the door wide open on this stage. All they had to say was both hands holding cards over table. Another really weird stage was stage 2 where there was a all black hardcover target that as far as I could tell had absolutely no purpose whatsoever! I helped set up the stage and the target was useless. It didn't obstruct the view of any target. And if you used barrels it was not needed? Weird! One more thing about this stage and the "table games" one too. It kept calling for Tactical sequence. Even when the targets were staggered and it would make more sense to shoot the closest one twice and then the next furthest and so on. Usually when we shoot Tactical sequence, the targets are at the same distance away from the shooter, not staggered, otherwise you shoot them in tactical priority. This isn't just our club because we shoot stages that come from all over the country. Our Pres does a good job using other clubs stages and this was different. Is this going to become the rule? This is not a big deal, just kind of weird once again. I'd like to see some more consistency on this. Lastly on stage 3 you start out 2' from cover facing up range. On signal you turn and draw and engage targets two targets while on the move to cover or from behind cover. While on the move to cover 2' away! By the time I turned around (I pivoted on my left foot) I ended up basically behind cover. In major IDPA matches the SO's love to yell at you even if you are moving. Moving depends on whatever they feel like. In my experience, 1mph is not fast enough, but about 3+mph is OKAY? Depends on the SO. To me moving is moving. I understand some clubs are indoor and very limited in how wide the stages can be, but 2' just doesn't make since! Especially if you are going to say "while on the move." How about 2 yards and you can shoot two targets while getting to cover if you are a decent shooter. Just a thought. I am sure the 2' cause many shooters to stop or move really slow once again causing inconsistency. Once again this isn't meant to be a bash on IDPA, I love IDPA. I also love the idea of the Postal match. I'd just like to see these improvements made and then the USPSA do its own postal match. (hint: change the name, so they won't know you are copying them)

Lugnut, I couldn't have said it better. The point of this post was not to ask the question of whether or not a Magwell is a good choice for competition. I would say, if it were not an advantage, then there would not be a "Enhanced" division that allows it. And gee golly, USPSA has a similar rule in the Production VS. Limited division (I see a pattern here!). So once and for all, it you don't think a magwell will speed up your reloads or gun, then don't put one on your gun. But as far as the repetition from people over and over again (at least implying they are pointless) is getting old. It's kind of like when people have posted a question about their Glock wanting other Glock shooters to help them out and some wise guy hijacks the post and says, something along the lines of, "Well then buy a real gun...a 1911 and all of your wildest dreams will come true!" We are here as I see it, to help each other out and have constructive answers. At least that's why I am here. I have spent just a few hours with a wagwell and have already seen how I can nail 1.15-1.50 reloads consistently. Without it a good reload is about 1.60. But with the 1.60 speeds and no magwell, there are 2+ ones when you miss it. To me, it is worth it!

B. Add-on weights for a competitive advantage (this includes, but is not limited to, weighted magazines, tungsten guide rods, brass magazine wells, weighted grips)." Is the ICE a brass Magwell? I would say no, its not although it does have a small part that is in the grip that is brass. But once again, we are dealing with a vague rulebook. Like I said, I plan on removing all the brass parts so this is not a game of semantics.

I agree. What is the point of a weight limit? I weighed my 35 and it comes out to be 1lbs.13.8OZ. Add a 2.9 oz magwell and I am still about 10.3 oz below the limit! That's almost 25% below the max. I wish I could afford a 9mm STI. Oh well, I love my Glocks anyway. At some matches, they do the equipment check first. In this case I don't see why they wouldn't allow me to change out the magwell to a plastic one if worst came to worst (it would take about 1min). Now if it is checked later in the match, I would have to plead my case. I think I will get a plastic magwell (borrow one from a friend) and get the insert made of something else. Does anyone know if the $29 plastic one has a plug that would switch out and work on the ICE? One more thing, its kinda jacked to call someone a cheater when the IDPA rule book says nothing about "no brass" magwells. From my best assessment, they are considering a magwell a type of grip. I don't agree with this and it doesn't specify that in the book either. Another thing, it says you can't add grips that are more than an ounce more than the originals. Glocks don't have add on grips (unless you consider a sleeve one), so once again it is too vague. One of you hit the nail on the head earlier in the this thread, basically saying that if the rules are too vague, it leaves too much open for interpretation and leaves a shooter open to traveling for days on end, spending hundreds of dollars to be told, "you are not in compliance with our vague rules so now you can get a DNF and go home!" I am not for cheating, but I will take advantage of any loopholes I see in a rule book. that's what competitive people do. Like I said, for ESP, let people do whatever they want to the grips/mags as long as it is under the weight and fits in the box. Otherwise get rid of the ESP class.

Has this changed? If you go to a GSSF match you can shoot any powerfactor? I have shot around 115 PF messing around and it knocks popers down. I would probably want to be up around 120 just for a little more insurance. Also, will they send you home for shooing lead in a factory barrel? Just wondering.