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  1. Very interesting read, thank you. You always hear "front sight, front sight, front sight", but don't often hear what front sight focus really means. I'm curious if most M and GM shooters agree with this and separate convergence from accommodation, or if anyone actually converges their vision on the front sight?

    I currently shoot with what I think of as a target focus, but am going to work on shifting my accommodation.

    I'm curious if most M and GM shooters do this too.

    In discussing vision with people, it's clear that there are at least a few people who are skilled shooters and shoot with a unified convergence and accommodation on the front sight. That's why I guardedly call it the wrong way - I'm not sure it's actually wrong. I'm not aware of any top echelon shooters who do this, but I don't know what they actually do.

    My suspicion is that people who can shoot well figure out at least a couple of ways to aim that they practice and get to work for them. I know I have read a reference on this forum to Eric G. shooting with almost exclusively a target focus. I also think a lot gets lost in translation, not necessarily language with Eric G., but in shooting/vision discussions generally.

    Some phrases used a lot in vision discussions are not totally clear, because without the preparatory discussion (which is part of why the article is as long as it is) I don't know what someone actually means with regard to the actual physical processes of convergence and accommodation. And the fact that a brain interprets the images the eyes bring to it also adds a lot of subjectivity to the discussion.

    Look at the front sight

    Focus on the front sight

    Look at the target through the sights

    Soft focus on the sight

    Without the preliminary discussion, I don't feel like I can accurately understand what people mean when they use these and other terms to describe how they aim the gun. To have a sense of what people are actually doing, I have to ask them if they shoot with one or two eyes open, how many targets they see, how many guns, and which ones are clear and which ones are blurry. And that's not even getting into the physical disorders that affect convergence and accommodation.

    I think good shooting can be done in different ways. A lot of good shooting can be done target-focused, particularly with a high-visibility front sight and a good index. To me, the real question is whether extensive practice at sight-focused shooting yields benefits of certainty without costing speed. And further, whether there is utility in forming the overarching habit of always attempting to see more and more in less and less time. I think there is.

    In Brian Enos' book he experiments with target focus vs. front sight focus and he determined, at least for himself, that front sight focus/fuzzy target was better.

    But again, what works for one shooter may not work for the next shooter...

  2. Dry fire (11.15.13)

    I spent about 1.5 hours dry firing tonight getting ready for a 3 Gun Nation classifier match tomorrow. I haven't touched an AR in a month or so and I think it's probably been 4 - 5 months since I touched the SLP. I thought I'd better practice my shotgun loading since I sucked at it when I practiced it more regularly, so...

    We'll see how it goes.

    I did work on the pistol most of the time and not getting to practice for a couple of days (flying for work, no pistol) really shows. I can't believe how fast pistol skill decay. Trying to hit my normal par times had me missing the targets way too much.

    Must...call...shots...

  3. Dry fire (11.12.13)

    I did about an hour and a half of dry fire tonight and felt dang fast. My cold "benchmark stages" were going better than my warmed up times, I think due to my new draw. My 2 on 3, reload, 2 on 3 drill is typically done just under 5 seconds and I got it down to 4 seconds flat before getting tired and needing to bump up a little. Smoking fast for me! Did the Ben Stoeger Plate rack drill and his shooting on the move easy and found some smooth ways to move while shooting. Left to right is much faster than right to left for some reason, but still not too bad. Finished up with a couple of dry fire stages that were smoking fast, but I started missing a lot of reloads since I'm really beat. Ahh, progress!

  4. Dry fire (11.11.13)

    I spent about 45 minutes in total tonight working on my draw and running drills. My friend had me look at my backstrap while mounting the gun and I wound up using a different starting position and using my middle finger to begin my index, having it slide up my holster and "flinging" my thumb round the backstrap. My draw is usually around 1.2 seconds on a good day but we got it down to .90 in dry fire so I'm excited to see where I can take it. If I can keep it near that consistently in live fire that's going to be a big step for me.

  5. Match (11.9.13)

    I made it out to Albany to shoot the USPSA match out there. It was a ton of fun and we had a really good squad. Unfortunately we started on the classifier stage and I ran the first on pretty conservatively which turned out to be a good thing since the two (yep...two) reshoots were much faster but had barricade hits. Even so, this one should take me to B class, but we'll see.

    The dry fire seems to be helping out but I'm still moving too slow and not shooting the instant I'm in position. My reloads were nothing like what I'm capable of which is a little strange. Like my mind keeps running the old "reload program." But overall I'm pretty happy with how I did at the match and didn't make any big mistakes. My hits on steel were better than they usually are as well as my shots while leaning around a wall. And although not A's, all of my shots were hits on the swingers and drop turners. Getting there!

  6. Dry fire (11.8.13)

    I spent about a 1.5 hours dry firing doing my standard "benchmark stages," then a couple of new stages, Stoeger's Distant SHO/WHO stage, 2 on 3/reload/2 on 3 transition drill, 3 target moving drills, then a movement drill where I draw and put 2 on the first target then move about 25 feet to a shooting box and engage a second target. Getting low and decelerating early helped get the times down. Lots of shooting on the move drills and then just working on my draw which is getting a little sloppy. Finished with a couple more stages. Trying to get tuned up for tomorrow's match.

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    Probably over 100K rounds. I have been shooting the gun for about 6+ years. Didn't notice the crack until I cleaned the gun. I did have a round not go into battery while shooting. Tapped the rear of the slide. Still didn't go in. Ejected the round. New round did not go in even with a tap. Ejected it and the third went in. Don't know for sure that this was when it cracked. It ran fine for at least another 200 rds after that. Called Glock. They were very "uninterested" is the nice way to say it. But he did say "Just send the slide in and we will look at it". Can't really expect much else I guess at this point. Glad I don't have to send the entire gun in.

    Wow. That's a lot of rounds though it. Just curious how many barrels that took.

    (new G34 owner).

  8. emjei-

    I'll get them posted as soon as OrigamiAK revises them. What I have was pretty much a collection of notes that he is going to clean up. There is a lot of defining terms so the instructions make sense. Even with that I started off doing it incorrectly at first, so you really have to have the nomenclature before hand.

  9. Dry fire (11.7.13)

    Back home! I'm beyond beat but I wanted to get some practice in since I was without pistol yesterday. Started with my "benchmark stages" and really tried to feel like I do when I'm warmed up and did about as well as I do when I actually am warmed up. Yay for progress. Did Stoeger's "Distant Target Challenge" and got the time to first shot down to 1.6 seconds. Next was transition drills and then movement drills with 3 targets 10' apart. 4.6 seconds to do it cleanly and 5 seconds with reloads between them all. Ended with a couple of dry fire stages and a little bit of shooting on the move. Also worked very briefly on the vision drills. Too tired to keep going tonight.

  10. Visual training (11.6.13)

    Stuck in a hotel in a different city, so no pistol to dry fire with. I made the most of it and practiced the vision drills from OrigamiAK and was finally able to decouple my accommodation from my convergence on demand. I’ll have to get a post put together on what all of that means, but it’s all to basically help me start shooting with both eyes open. Using eyes/eye muscles in a new way so my eyeball actually hurts if you can believe it. Also re-reading Brian Enos’ book.

  11. Dry fire (11.5.13)

    Stared with my "benchmark stages" and much to my delight I started strong tonight and nailed it off the bat. The next two weren't quite as good, but not bad. Still trying to compress the cold vs. warm delta. Making progress. Shot 2 on 3, reload 2 on 3 both directions, then the next Ben Stoeger dry fire drill. Landed with a par time of 4.2 and just 4.4 with a reload in there. Not sure what that means. Finished up with some stages and shooting on the move. Good times!

  12. Dry fire (11.4.13)

    Fun little session tonight starting with my 2 standard benchmark stages to see how I perform when cold. Started pretty strong on the first run and pooched the next couple before getting warmed up. I did the next two drills from Ben's dry fire book, "Close 90 Close 90 Close," starting at 3.5 seconds and 4.20 with a reload thrown in. Next it was the "Close 90 Partial 90 Close" with a 3.5 starting time and 4.2 with the reload. A couple of things that were noteworthy; the times didn't vary staring on any of the targets, even the center. I thought all of the direction changes would have taken longer, but it didn't seem to have any effect on the time. I also though shooting the left, then partial, reload then right would be the fastest since I already had my index that I could carry over on the partial target, left, reload, partial, right was about .2 faster consistently. Crazy.

    Next was 2 on 3, reload, 2 on 3. Left to right was down to the 4.5 second zone but the right to left is slower and sloppier. I'll have to tighten that up. Finally, I ended with a couple of stages and some moving and shooting drills. I also played a bit with some vision/focus practice. Shooting with both eyes open is going to be tough I believe.

  13. Dry fire (11.3.13)

    I spent around 1.5 - 2 hours doing the usual process; start cold on a couple of stages to see how it goes (usually ugly until I've run through it a few times and get warmed up), and then hit the drills. Worked the "90 Close 90" from Ben's book pretty hard and then spent some time with my draw. Still pretty slow and still not perfect (always a work in progress). Did about a billion draw, 2 shots on 3 targets, reload, 2 more shots on three targets and got it sped up a bit more than usual. More stages, then worked on snapping my draw which is pretty darn fast, but not super consistent. Finished with shooting on the move.

  14. Dry fire (11.2.13)

    I spent 1.5 hours dry firing tonight, starting with a couple of warm up stages. Coming in cold, I'm really rough. After some warm up I'm significantly better. I'll have to figure out a way to collapse that delta. I practiced some transition drills, draws and reloads. I busted out Ben Stoeger's dry fire book and did the "Far Close Far" drill with a final par time of 2.7 seconds, 3.8 with a reload thrown in. Next I did the Far Far 90 Twist Close" drill and was really focusing on a good sight picture and driving the gun hard to the 90 degree target, with a final par time of 3.4 seconds. My reloads were starting to decay so I worked on them a little more until they were tight again. I then ran through the first two stages again to compare the times. As expected, ended faster. Wrapped up with a little shooting on the move and some eye focus practice.

  15. Live fire (11.1.13)

    I was able to slip off to the range for a quick 200 rounds of practice today. I started out shooting the small 6" plate at 40 yards with mixed results, about 50 percentish. Moved to the 25 yard line and hit it 8 out of 10 times. Shot a pretty good 10 round group on the 25 yard slow fire target. Shot the 4 aces drill a few times to an USPSA head. I setup the same drill I've been doing in dry fire with the three targets at 10 yards and tried hitting them all while moving. Next was the Frank Garcia's dots drill and did manage to get a group all within the dot, a first for me. I worked on transitions with 3 USPSA targets about 2 yards apart from each other.

    There seems to be pretty big disparity between my dry fire and my live fire times so I'm going to start mixing the dry fire and live fire at the range and see if that helps.

    No dry fire tonight, spent the evening converting the 1050 over to 9mm.

  16. Dry fire (10.30.13)

    Had a really good session tonight going over the Stoeger A drills then some transition drills. Adjusted my grip just a little bit and there is a tipping point where if I go too far I can't reach the mag release, but going over a little bit more helps me see the sights a little faster.

    I repeated the drill from last night with the 3 targets spaced out and got it down to 4.3 cleanly. Once I added reloads between the targets it bumped me a little to 4.6. Finished up with a couple of "stages," some reload drills, and shooting on the move. I'm really working on trying to get moving sooner without messing up my last shot. It doesn't seem like much, but it shows up on the timer so I can quantify it. All in all, about 1.25 hours tonight.

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    practicing some vision drills to pull my focus back to the front sight with both eyes open while seeing only one fuzzy target. I think if I can start shooting with both eyes open it's going to be the biggest improvement I'll make this year.

    ...beat.

     

    That is great, dude, I am glad to read that retraining for both eyes open seems promising for you. My last biggest improvement in shooting was vision-related too. I love vision!

    Man it's tough! It's just so ingrained in me to close an eye to get a hard focus on the front sight. With both eyes open I don't seem to be able to get a hard focus on the inside front sight without creating two targets. I just need to spend more time on it I guess. I wasn't going to change anything before tomorrow's match, but will start hitting this hard soon.
     

    I would think just continuing practice separating your convergence from accommodation will improve things over time.

    Don't disregard the tape-occlusion trick either; that's a tried and true way.

    Even though I and many people shoot with both eyes open, I am not convinced that shooting with one eye closed isn't viable. I haven't spent any time with that so I don't know. Can you meet some shooting problems successfully when target-focused and shooting with both eyes open? Or do you end up with some visual confusion with that?

    Well, we'll see since I'm having a heck of a time accommodating back to my front sight without creating two targets. Trying to shoot with just one eye induces a pause that I've noticed when I close the non-dominant eye while the new sight picture comes online. Hard to explain, but that doesn't seem to be getting any faster. Makes me want to shoot Open so I can have a red dot.

    :)

  18. One other thing I'll add to my last post is when it comes to grip, you're never done. You will always be refining it and making subtle adjustments as time goes on. You hear a lot of the great shooters mention that, and Enos and Anderson both mention that in their books. So don't get frustrated, just find what works that puts you on target when you present the gun and adjust it to mitigate recoil then dry fire the daylights out of it. And finally, just pay attention to the sights and what the gun is doing. Let that be your guide.

  19. Lots of great info here! Just to add a couple of things to consider, NPA, and live fire.

    If you watch the great shooters, especially their draw, their times are sub-second to their first shot from the draw. They're probably not any faster than you are, but they are shooting sooner. Watch them next time you're at a match, the instant their pistol enters the A zone they break the shot. They don't poke it out there and bobble it around until the sights look good then shoot. They can do this because their index and natural point of aim (NPA) are spot on. The reason I bring all of this up is because your grip will facilitate this. The breakthrough I had with my grip was when I realized this, and all of the ambiguity with my grip went away once I found the way that allowed it to index perfectly to the target. I stood almost squared up to the target, drew the gun WITH MY EYES CLOSED, and then noticed where the sights were. I played around with this until I could literally draw to the A zone with my eyes closed. I found the grip that allowed that to happen with my NPA.

    Now be sure to follow up with that in live fire to validate you're not doing something strange or not getting a grip that mitigates recoil for you. Plus, you want to be sure that the grip pressure allows the gun to return to precisely the position it was in before the shot broke. Play with camming the support hand forward and squeezing the heck out of the grip.

    Good luck!

  20. Dry fire (10.29.13)

    I did an hour of dry fire tonight, starting with the Stoeger A drills (draws and reloads) and was a little slower than usual, but then again, I was really focusing on getting real hits, not just blasting at the targets, which has been a problem for me in the past. Practiced transitions with a cadence which is pretty strange. Slowing down to speed up...

    Then on to movement drills. I put 3 targets about 10' apart and each had to be shot twice from within a shooting box. I was able to get it down to just under 5 seconds. Just about 5 seconds when going from right to left. For kicks, I started throwing a reload in between T1 and T2, then another reload between T2 and T3. I was very surprised that it didn't change the time for me! Great to know that I can top off in under 10' with no time penalty. That is about 2 - 3 steps. Good info to know.

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