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Dry fire (12.4.13)
I was a little curious how I would do today since I didn't get a chance to practice yesterday. It really didn't seem to do much to degrade performance, just a wee bit slower at first but coincidentally, I did seem to be able to call my shots better. Hrmmmm...
Anyway, started with my "benchmark" stages, Stoeger A and F drills, shooting on the move, and "benchmark" drills. I really do like doing those Stoeger drills. They are a lot of fun to run. I really like finding the "secret" to the fast times on the drills. They seem to come from moving before, during, and as you're shooting from position to position. Gathering no moss with these drills!
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Dry fire (12.2.13)
Rinse and repeat. Stoeger A and E drills with a ton of extra reps. Some El Prez, shooting/reloading on the move, and "benchmark" stages. It was good to revisit the E drills since I really haven't been doing much SHO/WHO lately, although 1.25 hours was probably over doing it and my wrist is smoked. I also meant to practice some draws from concealment since I think I'm going to shoot an IDPA match this weekend. This will be my 3rd IDPA match and I'm pretty lost during these matches since I really don't know the rules and rack up a ton of penalties. Meh. It's match practice. And shooting with your buddies is always a great time.
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Dry fire (12.1.13)
Pretty much a repeat of the last few days; Stoeger A and D drills, benchmark drills, and lots of draws and reloads. I experimented with pulling the gun strait out of the holster and up high before pressing out. It feels clean and smooth and seems to let me pick up the sights just a tad earlier. Man, the draw is one tough thing to pin down.
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I have really enjoyed reading this thread. I have been a member of the Enos forum mostly for reloading advice and I missed this thread until I googled Seeklander Dry Fire Training. I have been shooting IDPA for about a year and I just joined USPSA. I shoot SSP in IDPA and Production in USPSA. I enjoy both sports and do not join in the bashing that goes on by some members i.e. IDPA vs USPSA. Shooting is shooting. Its all good.
I am getting Mike's book and going to try to attend a class in 2014. I am at the point where I am going to get serious. A couple of questions to the guys on this thread
1) camera use-I notice that a number of folks in this thread are using videos to review their technique. How useful is that? I for one do not like the idea of anything extra on my head when competing. What do you guys think? Are there any hat cameras that you like? I have seen some guys at matches wearing them but not in my squads.
2) dry fire-I did not see much discussion of dry fire in this thread. What are the fire drills you guys are using are any better than others.
thanks
PS I shoot a Glock 17 and a Walther P99QA in minor power factor in 9mm I reload all my practice ammo 9mm 147 gr. I believe in practicing with what you compete with. I would not practice with a 22 since ai reload cost of ammo is really not an issue.
I think video is a great learning tool and hand my video camera off to someone every time I shoot. Most phones are good enough these days, but the info is priceless.
Dry fire is paramount to improvement unless you can afford the time and ammo to shoot 100k a year, so start off with the drills in Mike's book and check out Steve Anderson and Ben Stoeger's books on dry fire. There is a thread on dry fire where Ben Stoeger puts together some drills and video of how to do them. Maybe start there. They are actually quite a bit of fun, There is a link to them in my Range Diary (link in signature), that that will show you how much dry fire a lot of us do.
Make an effort to get to one of Mike's classes. I took a class from him a while back and it was great. I got some of the best info yet from his book/class and he is a great teacher and a great guy.
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Dry fire (11.30.13)
Continuing with last night's "keeping it fun," I ran Stoeger's A and C drills, adding quite a bit of extra reps along the way. I really started to notice that any tension in my reload can cause me to miss it and keeping things nice and relaxed really helps it slide right in. I also noticed that my support hand needs more cant in it to help with my index (not to mention it helps with actual recoil). I'll have to lay off all of the reloads since they really get my strong side wrist hurting. I was hoping to do some shooting this weekend but it doesn't look like it's in the cards. Maybe I can get in a couple of dry fire sessions tomorrow or maybe watch some video from nationals. Also listened to Steve Anderson's podcast.
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Dry fire (11.29.13)
Tonight was a pretty good night of dry fire and I really didn't want to stop, but my wrist had enough and I figured 1.5 hours was a good run. I had some blazing fast times on my "benchmark" stages and shook things up tonight with the fun Stoeger drills from this forum. Did the A and B drills and was pretty much on the expert times. When I started these I didn't think I'd ever make those time, so it's great to see my progress. I'm glad that I really enjoy the dry fire practice because it does get a little frustrating with the slow rate of improvement. So to see these times tonight was a real treat.
Pretty exhausted from a big swim this morning, then loaded 1000 rounds of 9mm, then lots of dry fire. My arms may fall off...
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Dry fire (11.28.13)
Man, oh man. Fat with turkey, but managed to put in an hour working on my draw and reloads after doing my "benchmark stages." Worked mainly from hands at sides, but also worked on the surrender and surrender up range. I tried a handful of things to see what felt best and was fast and repeatable. Did some transitions and shooting on the move. Went back to my "benchmark drills" and was able to doing them faster, one of them almost 3 seconds faster. You have to love that. Must be all of the cranberry sauce...
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Live fire (11.27.13)
I had a chance to swing by the range with a friend today after work for a little live fire. We started off shooting some groups at 7 yards just to get warmed up and get a feel for the recoil again after dry firing. We moved back to the 20 (thought it was the 25) yard line and shot a couple of slow fire pistol targets and some steel. Then moved up and shot some F.A.S.T drills which I kept shooting low (rushing). Moved back to 10 yards and practiced putting two on 3 targets, reload, then 2 more on the targets. I was shooting right around the 6 second mark and dropping the occasional round outside of the A zone. My sights weren't tracking quite as good as they were this weekend, but it was the end of the day and I was already a little mentally fatigued (excuses!). Finished up shooting some steel from 40 or so yards to confirm the new taller front sight POI and called it a day on the pistol. Fired 169 rounds.
Sighted in my AR for the upcoming night match, 15 rounds.
My wrist is feeling better from all of the dry fire reloads last night, but I'm not going to dry fire tonight. I'll give it a break and pick up tomorrow.
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I have another question for you everytime you dry fire at night you also run stages or drills I should say..... how you do that ??? Do you imagine them or actually have them in your house
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I actually set them up in my garage which thankfully is pretty big. 2 cars wide and 2 cars deep. A very big reason why I bought this house.
I'll have to get a picture of it so you can see the target stands and paper plate rack course I made.
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For those who were interested in the class I attended with OrigamiAK (Gabe White), here is a little write up I did after taking the class last weekend.
http://www.recoilsports.com/2013/11/defensive-handgun-with-gabriel-white-aar/
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Dry fire (11.26.13)
Good advice as usual, Gabe. I spent some time working on my draw and trying to "float" it out there to prevent the bobble at full extension. During the many reps tonight I found that If I pull the gun strait out of the holster, or at least thought of it like that, it set me up for a much smoother draw. I really worked on not moving anything that didn't need to move and as with many things in shooting, the perception of time is flat out wrong. Being relaxed and stress free keeps things efficient and the time doesn't lie. Just watch Matt Burkett's draw. It is super smooth and fast, while looking slow.
I also worked on my reloads a while and realized that I don't need to roll the pistol towards the magazine so much and more often than not the mags went in like butter. I then worked on my transitions, shooting on the move, and one of the Ben Stoeger dry fire drills. I noticed that the last time I did it my par time was 3.2 seconds and it was 2.6 tonight. Progress!
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Dry fire (11.25.13)
I spent about 45 minutes dry firing tonight but wanted to take it easy and not over exert my wrist/elbow since I was really feeling sore today. I wanted to work on an issue Gabe noticed in class where I extend out on my draw and get a bobble at the end. I tried to decelerate the push out but found it's harder to do than you think. I also noticed that I was shutting an eye so I busted out the glasses and tape and got back to work with both eyes open. I ran my "benchmark" stages and really just worked on draws and reloads. I did some transition drills and a little shooting on the move and wrapped up early so I could sort some brass and get my gear back in order from this weekend. I'm toying with shooting an IDPA match this weekend but we'll see. Not my favorite of the shooting sports and I don't practice drawing from concealment. But shooting is always better than not shooting.
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Any videos of that training ???
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I did take quite a bit of video and will be getting some of it up as soon as I have a chance to encode and post it somewhere. I'll leave you with these two, not from me, but really funny of Gabe doing the Miami Vice shootout video.
Original PACT Timer video
Gabe:
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Gabe's Class Day 2 (11.24.13)
Wow! Another great day of training with Gabe. Pretty much a day devoted to shooting on the move which was a very weak point for me and by the end of today I was reliably running and hitting things along the way, sometimes even shooting with one hand. And shooting with both eyes open is the bee's knees. I can't believe it took me so long to get started, but the tape on the glasses was a great way to kick start that process. Two full days of it was a great plan to "convert." I did a quick draw after clearing my G34 to put it in the safe and noticed that I was front sight focused and "shooting" with both eyes WITHOUT the tape!
Thanks, Gabe! I'll get an AAR up soon as I get a little time to hammer it out.
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Good advice, OAK! I actually took two days off to let them settle down so I could shoot all weekend with you! Great class today, BTW. Shooting with both eyes open really makes a big difference with me. I wish I didn't need the tape on my glasses, but baby steps. I could really see my sights tracking on almost every shot today. The transition drills were the only time I was having a hard time tracking the sights and it showed. I was getting shots outside of the A zone on the side closest to the other target.
Gripping the heck out of the gun really helped, too. I really had a great day of "seeing."
Looking forward to tomorrow!
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Still shooting with Glock ?? You miss the MP ??
Im the other way around
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I REALLY like my M&P Pro. I think in a lot of ways it's a superior pistol. I think you can do more to it and still keep it reliable then you can the Glock. I like just about everything better about the M&P except how it sits in my hand. I could never get it to consistently index for me and have a harder time hitting the mag release than the Glock. But the ergonomics of my hand the Gen 4 G34 are so much better for me that I cannot imagine going back to the M&P. In fact, I'm just about to put it up for sale in the forums. Saving up for an Open gun!
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Dry fire (11.20.13)
The draw refinement continues. Did close to 2 billion (slight exaggeration) draws, starting really slow and speeding up to the edge of my control zone. I really want to the sights to just always be there when I draw. Worked a little on reloads and then ran some scorching times on my "benchmark" stages. Worked on transitions and mostly covered targets. A little El Prez action then a little shooting on the move for good measure. Called it a little early to work on the 1050 which I think I have running again. Looking forward to my class with OragamiAK this weekend!
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I have a question and I know I can probably find an answer in a search area but since I'm following your journal
maybe you can answer me correctlywhat you mean by indexing the gun?
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Sure thing! When I mention indexing in this context I'm referring to looking at a spot on the target that I want to hit, then drawing to that exact point. It's a beautiful thing when it's working properly and the front sight just appears in that precise spot, ready for the shot to break without any correction. It's also very fast since I can break the shot the instant I extend my draw rather than extending, correcting, then firing. I hope I'm explaining that well, but that's what I'm talking about when I mention index.
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Dry fire (11.19.13)
Building on last night's successes I spent an hour dry firing starting with my draws. I really wanted to get my draws fast and with the perfect index like I had last night but it just wasn't as good as it was last night. Funny how I vary in performance each day. I did a lot of reloading and noticed that I don't consistently get the index grip on the magazine that I need which is probably why, in part, my reloads aren't 100%. I also noticed that I need to decelerate a little bit sooner so I have a chance to fix my alignment, otherwise I just slam the mag into the magwell. Ran a couple of stages, some transition drills and the Stoeger A drills. Finished up with some shooting on the move before my wrist started to bug me.
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Dry fire (11.18.13)
I'm glad I hung it up early last night, like I thought, better to give it a break some times. Tonight I worked on the basics for almost an hour. Just draws and reloads, draws and reloads, draws and reloads. Ran through my "benchmark" stages with probably the best times ever. I think it's do to my index being spot on after all of the draw practice. Just coming up on the precise spot you're looking without trying to correct things during a draw and after every reload really adds up quickly. Practiced shooting on the move a little and called it a night. Great night of dry fire!
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Dry fire (11.17.13)
Tonight was one of those weird nights where you're just not on. My draw felt hidious and the sights weren't lining up. I was missing reloads, etc. So I just slowed it down and worked on my draw and reloads. My draw just wasn't there tonight. I need to refine it a bit more, but I figured out in the past, nights like this, it's best to just stop. I think you do more damage than good when you press on when you're off. So I just cleaned up my workbench, pulled the stack of dud bullets that have been piling up, and got the 1050 running again.
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Match (11.16.13)
Yesterday's multigun match was a 3 Gun Nation classifier match at our local club. As luck would have it, I just received my 3GN card in the mail the day before so I was ready to get my classification out of the way.
I arrived a little early to check my rifle's zero since it's been a while since it's be used as well as check out the zero of my G34's new taller front sight. After a little adjustment to both they were good to go.
The match started off well and although rusty on the long guns, everything went pretty well and I didn't miss a shot the entire day with with either of them. I called every shot and took my time and got my hits. On the pistol I was moving faster than I can shoot and wasn't call my shots at all. Not surprising considering my dry fire to live fire ratio right now. Still, not a disaster. I had one FTN which is a 5 second penalty and didn't go one for one on some smaller pepper poppers, which is probably a second per.
I've really been working on having the gun up and ready to break the shot the instant I enter the position/box and looking at the video of the match I'm doing much better than I used to do. I did notice that it does take me forever to get started though. I need to get mounted and start shooting much sooner than I'm doing. I can shave off seconds per stage fixing that.
Now, the worst part; I DQ'd on the last stage. I was almost too embarrassed to even post about it, but I'm pretty transparent about my shooting so here it is.
It was the perfect storm. I changed around some gear for this match and moved my holster from my super stiff AA belt to an older floppier CR Speed belt that allowed it to move more latterly. As you all might remember, the Glock I'm shooting and all of it's accessories are new. I had put grip tape on it's grip and the side of it's frame initially but wound up removing it. The tension of the holster was initially set with the grip tape on it and I never thought to readjust it once the tape was removed causing it to be a little looser than it should be. So on the last stage I started off with the rifle, tabled it and exploded toward the shotgun. Looking at the video in slo-mo you can see the combination of the way I moved with the flop of the holster drove the pistol up about half way out of the holster. When I decelerated in the next box to pick up the shotgun I snapped 90 degrees and that was the final bit if inertia it needed to come out and fall to the ground. The RO stopped me the instant it came out and handled the entire situation perfectly. And that fast, my day was over and my DQ was issued. I was (am) mortified and couldn't get out of there fast enough. When it comes to safety I'm a real stickler and here I am dropping a gun. It's quite a blow to my ego to be honest. I'm just glad the Glock is designed well and should never be able to go off from being dropped.
Now out to the garage to triple check and test all of my equipment...
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BTW, I posted about the vision exercises on my blog and put all of OAK's posts/picture into a PDF that might be easier to read/save.
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BTW, I posted about this topic on my blog and put all of OAK's posts/picture into a PDF that might be easier to read/save.
maybe you can answer me correctly
Which grip
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Great advice, mjk0311. One other thing I'll add to it. Go and shoot into the berm without a target and really watch the sights with the grip from #2 (no touching the trigger guard though). See what the sights are doing. You want them to return exactly back to the pre-ignition state. If they don't, adjust the grip pressure until they do. Grip hard enough that your hands shake, then back off just enough to keep them from shaking and you should be in the ballpark.