High Lord Gomer
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Would swapping out the ported barrel for a normal 19 barrel in a 19C with a slide mounted optic make it legal for CO?
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Wow! That is beautiful!
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I don't believe much has changed since this was argued 6 years ago:
Of course, I don't think much was decided then, either.
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While I couldn't find anything that said we "have to" turn in classifier scores, part of the way we fund our association is through the classifier fees. SO, no classifier, less funding for our organization. We turn in all classifier activity.
As I understand it, your classification should be an accurate representation of your ability. Completely tanking a classifier by hitting one or more No-Shoot/Mikes is not an accurate representation of your skill and should not drag your average down. By the same rationale, getting too high of a score may not be used in your average calculation either.
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The title of this is "Wrists above edge of belt start".....definitely not default starting position (unless your name is TRex).
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It's a conspiracy to give an advantage to those short-armed people!
Unless they state that hands need to be on respective sides, you could do that if you want. I prefer to use this working in my WBSs:
..., wrists above respective shoulders, ...
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6.2.5.1 However, if a competitor fails to satisfy the equipment or other requirements of a declared Division during a course of fire, the competitor will be placed in Open Division, if available, other-wise the competitor will shoot the match for no score.
From the "Priciniples of USPSA Competition" section:
To receive an initial classification, a member needs to have at least four unduplicated scores in the USPSA classification database prior to the monthly reclassification procedure.
By definition, a competitor without a classification is considered, "Unclassified", in that division.
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I have had some success varying the length of the loaded round to cure 3-point jams like that...usually shorter and with jacketed or plated round nose boolits. Also check the chamber for any burrs.
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13 hours ago, Poppa Bear said:
How many stages had had a forbidden action added to the WSB because a competitor interpreted it to allow them to shoot it their way?
Forbidden actions are only (supposed to be) used to address safety issues, NEVER because someone found a hole in your stage design/construction that you didn't foresee.
Several times I've been called 2 or 3 squads into a match and asked, "Can I shoot this from here?" My answer is almost always, "I didn't intend for that to be visible from here but it is and it is a safe angle of fire so, yes, I wish I had seen that."
Editted to add:
Almost all of my WSBs contain, among other things:
1.When 4 or more barrels are stacked together they are considered a wall and shots cannot be made between them2.Walls extend upward infinitely and shots cannot be taken over them3.Adjacent walls separated by less than 12” are deemed to be touching and shots cannot be made between them -
On 9/3/2016 at 10:05 AM, BARRYJ said:
I think his question was specifically about the treadmill. If the WSB states that the shooter has to be on the treadmill and it has to be on, is it legal to penalize if the shooter decides to leave it off?
If that was specified as the starting position, then the RO should not start the shooter until it is on.
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Appendix D5 (among other things) contains:
Cuts that are designed to specifically or significantly lighten the slide, such as holes, or slots, are ruled as competitive advantage and prohibited.
That was the closest thing I could find that defined what was a competitive advantage. Based on that, I stand by my assertion that frame weights and magwells would be considered a significant modification that could result in a competitive advantage.
Well, 5.1.7 also has:
Competitors must use the same handgun and type of sights for all courses of fire in a match.
...implying that changing the type of sights would also be a significant change.
But...this is all strictly my opinion and worth exactly what I have been paid for it.
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12 hours ago, theWacoKid said:
So you're of the opinion significant modification is only new gun or sights as mentioned in 5.1.7? Everything else is good to go?
How did you manage to read that into what I said?
A new gun is not necessarily a competitive advantage while many things could be considered resulting in a competitive advantage. At our last match my M&P 40 Pro decided to start releasing the mag almost every time I fired a shot. So I consulted the RM and said, "Self...can you switch to my M&P 40 4.25" gun?" He answered, "Yes, I can!"
If it had been the other way around, though, he might have argued that the longer sight radius was a competitive advantage and not allowed.
Adding something like a frame weight or a mag well would definitely not be allowed.
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From the sound of it they should have said in the stage briefing that, "Starting position is either standing on treadmill with power off or walking on treadmill that is on. After signal, engage targets T1-T3 while walking on treadmill."
If you choose not to turn it on and walk while taking those first 6 shots, you will incur either a single procedural or 1 per shot fired (up to 6) if they considered it a significant advantage to not comply.
10.2.2 A competitor who fails to comply with a procedure specified in the written stage briefing will incur one procedural penalty for each occur-rence. However, if a competitor has gained a significant advantage dur-ing non-compliance, the competitor may be assessed one procedural penalty for each shot fired, instead of a single penalty (e.g. firing multiple shots contrary to the required position or stance).
10.2.2.1 Procedural penalties for failure to comply with stage procedures do not apply to the number of shots fired. Penalties for firing insufficient or additional shots are addressed in other rules and must not be penalized under the provisions of 10.2.2.
10.2.3 Where multiple penalties are assessed in the above cases, they must not exceed the maximum number of scoring hits that can be attained by the competitor. For example, a competitor who gains an advantage while faulting a Fault Line where only four metal targets are visible will receive one procedural penalty for each shot fired while faulting, up to a maximum of four procedural penalties, regardless of number of shots fired. -
I would consider "significantly modifying" to be anything that would have triggered rule 5.1.7.2. So, if the change results in a competitive advantage, then I would consider it in violation of 5.1.8.
5.1.7 Competitors must use the same handgun and type of sights for all courses of fire in a match. However, in the event that a competitor’s original handgun and/or sights become unserviceable or unsafe during a match, the competitor must, before using a substitute handgun and/or sights, seek permission from the Range Master who may approve the substitution provided he is satisfied:
5.1.7.1 The substitute handgun satisfies the requirements of the relevant Division.
5.1.7.2 In using the substitute handgun the competitor will not gain a competitive advantage.
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I put a 40->9 conversion barrel in mine and....got a lot of practice clearing malfunctions.
Sorry...no help.
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LOL! Yeah, if you're ever feeling constipated, post your stage design and WSB here and prepare to be schooled!
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1 hour ago, AWLAZS said:
I will have to look at the rules. Once the no shoot steel falls it changes the course of fire.
That makes some sense but I couldn't find support for it in the rules.
4.6.1 Range equipment must present the challenge fairly and equitably to all competitors. Range equipment failure includes, the displacement of paper targets, the premature activation of metal or moving targets, the failure to reset moving targets or steel targets, the malfunction of mechanically or electrically operated equipment, and the failure of props such as openings, ports, and barriers.
8.6.4 In the event that inadvertent contact from the Range Officer or another external influence has interfered with the competitor during a course of fire, the Range Officer may offer the competitor a reshoot of the course of fire. The competitor must accept or decline the offer prior to seeing either the time or the score from the initial attempt. However, in the event that the competitor commits a safety infraction during any such interference, the provisions of Section 10.3 may still apply.
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I think so. All of the plate is "the highest scoring area" and 1/8 is definitely "a portion".
9.9.1 Moving scoring targets which present at least a portion of the highest scoring area when at rest following the completion of their designed movement, or which continuously appear and disappear, will always incur failure to shoot at and/or miss penalties (exception see Rule 9.2.4.4). See Appendix B2 or B3 for the percent of target to be pre-sented.
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The way I read that is that prior to June 2006 it would wait until you had more than 5 (possibly either 6 or 8) before it would recalculate. If we know that it will recalculate with 5 it is a fairly safe assumption that it will take the best 6 of your 7 to calculate a new classification.
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On 8/14/2016 at 4:06 PM, IHAVEGAS said:
Why?
Quote9.1.3 Prematurely Patched Targets - If a target is prematurely patched or taped, which prevents a Range Official from determining the actual score, the Range Officer must order the competitor to reshoot the course of fire. However, if following the scoring of a target by any assigned Range Officer, the target is patched or taped by anyone other than a Range Officer, the score will stand as called regardless of the competitor's opportunity to see the target in question and the competitor will not be permitted to appeal the score as called. Reviewing previous score sheets is prohibited; targets must be scored as is, using the actual target as the basis for the scoring call.
Quote9.6.4 Any challenge to a score or penalty must be appealed to the Range Officer by the competitor (or his delegate) prior to the subject target being painted, patched, or reset, failing which such challenges will not be accepted.
9.6.5 In the event that the Range Officer upholds the original score or penalty and the competitor is dissatisfied, he may appeal to the Chief Range Officer and then to the Range Master for a ruling.If the competitor challenges it, the CRO (and/or eventually the RM) get called to evaluate the target. Since it has now been prematurely pasted before *that* range officer can determine the actual score, it falls under 9.1.3.
BBBBUUUUUTTTT......if this was an IPSC match I have no clue as I was referencing USPSA rules.
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I agree with Sarge (please don't quote me on that) but it would get interesting if the shooter challenged the scoring of that target.
I think if they challenged it, it would then require a reshoot once moved farther up the chain.
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Nothing. I'll pm you my address for disposal.
Sorry...no help.
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Yeah, I wasn't very clear. Rather than "used" I should have said "considered" in determining the average.
Glock 19C legal in Carry Optics with an unported barrel?
in USPSA/IPSC Rules
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Thanks for the quick answer!