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It's time for the membership to voice their disapproval of the useless 3# rule for Production. This needs to be overturned before it goes into effect, this will simply be a nightmare for the chrono stage to test the varies triggers that are used. If a pull weight is good for Production then it should be just fine for the rest of the Divivsions, 3# straight across for all. Quit screwing with a Division that is working and popular, the Pres started this and does he even shoot Production. How many BOD members actually shoot Prod., do they even understand what they are doing.
Rich
obviously people with a financial interest in this wont like this new rule, but what part of the "production" division should people have to get $140 dollar trigger jobs to be competitive
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it fits no problem
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I will repeat my earlier comment. Can we please split the 'How Women are treated thread' out of this as it is really totally off topic. This thread was about adding two divisions to grow USPSA. It has as is nearly always the case degenerated into how to change Production into something else.
As to the Claimer Rule, not only NO, but HELL NO!
As to raising the round count in Production, NO, Production works. IPSC made their limit 15 after a lot of serious thought, they were rightfully concerned about the effect it could have in a lot of their regions. Would all divisions become limited to whatever limit they set on one division? The reason IPSC Prod is 15 was to stop an Arms Race. Manufacturers were building 'Production' guns with capacities approaching Standard Division. 15 worked for them, it was a REDUCTION in the allowed round capacity. We are at 10 rounds, we require a carry type holster, IPSC allows race holsters. Do we want that as well?
Leave it alone.
i think this thread turned into what way can we increase participation in uspsa and all thoughts are prevalent to that topic. i don't think we should change any divisions i would want to test out an entry boxed gun division and the only rules were gun has to fit in box with any mag.
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Mhop:
The current rulebook's Section 6.3 and Appendix A2 already outline categories that a MD may choose to recognize. Are you proposing that the wording "may" encoded therein to be changed to "must"? Or are you suggesting that a transgender category be added to Appendix A2? Or are you complaining about the recent nationals where some categories were recognized even though by the rulebook, they shouldn't have been because of insufficient numbers?
My personal stance used to be that if the rulebook says there aren't enough numbers, then the category shouldn't be recognized. I switched from that stance after seeing the inner working of how a match is put together. The trophies and plaques are ordered way in advance of the actual match based on pre-registration and the staff's best guess of who else maybe registering later. It's money that's already been spent. The trophies and plaques might as well be handed out, because the match isn't going to get refund from the trophy/plaque company for awards that were not given out. Additionally, sponsors for matches may stipulate how they want their donations to be distributed. Most MD's will not turn away a sponsor.
i think there are a couple different ways to do the category prize stuff. If there is enough create the prize stuff. if there is a question dont create the prize stuff and if they hit the magic number send it out after or do what the NFL does and create all the stuff assuming that the numbers will be meet and if not destroy the stuff if the numbers are not meet not hand out the stuff and let somebody go around gloating about winning something that shouldn't have this would just go into a match expense and no lose just make it into the budget
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i wouldn't be opposed to this but what makes us stop at just female what about juniors and seniors and then he/shes
Really? Are you sliding down the slippery slope all the way to a transgender national champion?
And pray tell, who will provide the impetus for recognizing the high junior or senior the same way we recognize the national champions? Has it ever been offered or requested before?
Yes this came up at a sectional this year.
Since you were light on details I'm going to assume you mean the transgender issue came up at the sectional...
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:devil: yes and, no one knew how to award for it
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i wouldn't be opposed to this but what makes us stop at just female what about juniors and seniors and then he/shes
Really? Are you sliding down the slippery slope all the way to a transgender national champion?
And pray tell, who will provide the impetus for recognizing the high junior or senior the same way we recognize the national champions? Has it ever been offered or requested before?
Yes this came up at a sectional this year.
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We even have one poster on here that follows women around at major matches and writes articles about them (creepy).
If that is referring to me then allow me to respond.
I volunteer my time to help grow women's participation in USPSA by writing one/two articles per year on the USPSA Nationals. There are those that are working harder to promote Junior participation in USPSA, are they creepy too ?
I provide the women that I cover with free copies of all the photographs that I take of them so they can use them in Facebook, their own web-sites or to send to their sponsors.
I provide the women a free DVD of all the video that I take so they have a record of their match.
I provide my pictures free of charge to any Nationals/Shooter sponsor that requests them.
Are you insinuating that perhaps I have an ulterior motive for what I am doing? Perhaps you would like to clarify?
I think this comes down to what does it look like outside of that group. it looks like sexism coverage of just the female super squad all 6 of them is disproportionate to the whole of USPSA.
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They don't come out and shoot because of attitudes like yours. This women belong in the kitchen not on a gun range is a load of you know what and that is why their numbers don't increase. You and others with this attitude make it damn uncomfortable for any women to participate in this support and if you expect this support to survive you better get my gender more involved. As it is today if it wasn't for those who run our IPSC 101 match making me feel safe and comfortable I would never had become involved as much as I am today.
how from my post did you get that I have a males are superior than females attitude. which I don't, I like certain females the ones that don't have a chip on their shoulder just like the males with issues. I like females on the range I just don't understand why they should be treated differently than any other category that is spelled out in the rule book. how much more do you want us to do for the women to make them feel more comfortable. they have their own super squad that they can't fill up. their own paparazzi. their own awards only have to compete against each other. their own section in front sight. this sport has grown for more than 20 years and is still growing i think it will be able to survive. so a beginners class got you involved in the sport not the super squad or front sight articles or paparazzi following the top females. I suggest that USPSA invest in beginner shooters classes and setup a system like they have for RO's classes.
Literally every sport has a category for women. Literally every sport recognizes women's champions the same way they recognize the men. Are you suggesting that USPSA should be any different?
no i am saying that we should award senior stage wins and national champion and super senior stage wins and national champion and militarty stage wins and national champion and law enforcement stage wins and national champion with the same level of awards that the lady awards are presented since they are all the same in the rule book
I would suggest the rulebook ought to be changed in this regard. Would you agree?
i wouldn't be opposed to this but what makes us stop at just female what about juniors and seniors and then he/shes
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They don't come out and shoot because of attitudes like yours. This women belong in the kitchen not on a gun range is a load of you know what and that is why their numbers don't increase. You and others with this attitude make it damn uncomfortable for any women to participate in this support and if you expect this support to survive you better get my gender more involved. As it is today if it wasn't for those who run our IPSC 101 match making me feel safe and comfortable I would never had become involved as much as I am today.
how from my post did you get that I have a males are superior than females attitude. which I don't, I like certain females the ones that don't have a chip on their shoulder just like the males with issues. I like females on the range I just don't understand why they should be treated differently than any other category that is spelled out in the rule book. how much more do you want us to do for the women to make them feel more comfortable. they have their own super squad that they can't fill up. their own paparazzi. their own awards only have to compete against each other. their own section in front sight. this sport has grown for more than 20 years and is still growing i think it will be able to survive. so a beginners class got you involved in the sport not the super squad or front sight articles or paparazzi following the top females. I suggest that USPSA invest in beginner shooters classes and setup a system like they have for RO's classes.
Literally every sport has a category for women. Literally every sport recognizes women's champions the same way they recognize the men. Are you suggesting that USPSA should be any different?
no i am saying that we should award senior stage wins and national champion and super senior stage wins and national champion and militarty stage wins and national champion and law enforcement stage wins and national champion with the same level of awards that the lady awards are presented since they are all the same in the rule book
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They don't come out and shoot because of attitudes like yours. This women belong in the kitchen not on a gun range is a load of you know what and that is why their numbers don't increase. You and others with this attitude make it damn uncomfortable for any women to participate in this support and if you expect this support to survive you better get my gender more involved. As it is today if it wasn't for those who run our IPSC 101 match making me feel safe and comfortable I would never had become involved as much as I am today.
how from my post did you get that I have a males are superior than females attitude. which I don't, I like certain females the ones that don't have a chip on their shoulder just like the males with issues. I like females on the range I just don't understand why they should be treated differently than any other category that is spelled out in the rule book. how much more do you want us to do for the women to make them feel more comfortable. they have their own super squad that they can't fill up. their own paparazzi. their own awards only have to compete against each other. their own section in front sight. this sport has grown for more than 20 years and is still growing i think it will be able to survive. so a beginners class got you involved in the sport not the super squad or front sight articles or paparazzi following the top females. I suggest that USPSA invest in beginner shooters classes and setup a system like they have for RO's classes.
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mhop wrote:
....it would then be like steel challenge where you have a 17 world champions each year.Yeah, I noticed they recognize the IDPA divisions, but they don't force shooters to draw while wearing a cover garment.
That still has me scratching my head.
Do you get STI contigency money if you win one of those IDPA divisions/categories/classes...whatever they call them in SC?
Plus cowboy plus rimfire iron plus rimfire open
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Don't you mean dilute your idea of production. Which is a valid opinion. (just said in discussion mode, not smartas$ mode)
no it would dilute the sport in a whole to face the facts there are only a certain number of shooters that win and more divisions mean more disparity among those winners. it would then be like steel challenge where you have a 17 world champions each year.
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GSSF has about 80,000 members.
how many would USPSA have if membership was required to shoot a match?
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My 2 cents; Apart from the change from 10 to 15 rounds for Production (which just brings us in-line with IPSC, at least in one regard). Any significant changes to divisions should have one overriding goal, and that is increasing membership.
There is one demographic that USPSA is not getting any significant numbers in, and that is women. More than 50% of the population I suspect that their numbers in USPSA are less than 5%.
Find out what women want to shoot and promote the living daylights out of the women that we have, promote USPSA in women's magazines and then we may see some more growth...
We all know you have a issue with the way we treat women in this sport. We give them their own awards in each division even when they dont meet the requirements (i.e. 2011 revolver nationals). We recognize it more so than senior, super senior, military, and Law enforcement which in the rule book are all suspossed to be equal in awards. So how much more should we bend over to a insuffecient catagory then we already do. They also have their own section in Front sight but we never see numbers increase. Thanks
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those officers are elected till December 31st of this year and have every right to serve their position till that point and when the new officers are on the board Jan 1st they get to do their thing at that time. Robert why are you so concerned about this issue?
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Why would you say this? I see no reason that L10 should go away, or any other division for that matter. Actually we could use two more divisions if we really want to capture more shooters; Open-10 and Open Revo.
have you tested these 2 new divisions with having a match and seeing how many people attend them?
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congrats
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Were people able to walk on and shoot the 2011 Single Stack Nat's at the last minute?
i was able to get on a month out from the match
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if you could get this from where your arms would be extended like you are shooting would be excellent
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can somebody get a picture of the sight picture of the cz custom comp rear sight and dawson front and cz custom tacitcal rear sight and dawson front. thanks
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Based on the shared measurements in this thread, I've calculated the below data.
Assumptions:
a. B-C measurement = 0.057 (average of 0.055 & 0.059)
b. 1 inch = 25.4 mm
Dawson Sights @:
[1] 0.170": (0.170 + 0.057)*25.4 --> ~ 5.76 mm or 5.75 mm
[2] 0.175": (0.175 + 0.057)*25.4 --> ~ 5.89 mm or 6.00 mm
[3] 0.195": (0.195 + 0.057)*25.4 --> ~ 6.40 mm or 6.50 mm
[4] 0.215": (0.215 + 0.057)*25.4 --> ~ 6.91 mm or 7.00 mm
[5] 0.240": (0.240 + 0.057)*25.4 --> ~ 7.54 mm or 7.50 mm
* Results in BOLD should be comparable to those from CZ Custom
IT would appear that concerning front sight height:
75/85/sp01 factory height is cz custom's 5.5mm
shadow f/o factory height is cz custom's 6.0mm
custom shops tactical/competition/LPA "bo-mar" style replacement sights use a 6.5 mm
T/S factory fixed use a 7.5mm
Dawson .170 height = custom shop 6.0mm
Dawson .215 height = custom shop 7.5mm
Sound right?
this is exactly what i got but i would suggest the .215 for the shadow target so you have full range of the rear adjustable sight
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Did something change about paying 1st (hoa) in a division
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they are legal they come on a factory gun from the factory in czech republic. these are the first sets in the USA torogi i dont know which safeties you but the standard rami safetis wont work on a shadow
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If you want more support more traction and better quality try these
Given what I've seen and experienced, you're wrong on the traction angle - I've watched several folks slide around on Speedcross 3s and other folks in Mudclaws do just fine on the same surface, using similar technique (talking top level shooters here, as well). Don't know how you could estimate quality, given that no one I've seen reports from has had quality problems with either?
its cause he is sponsored by them and spewing there propaganda around the forum again
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