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At Long last,, after MUCH,, pain and suffering,, The Gun runs,,,, what did I do,,,, Changed out parts until The gun worked,,, the only thing that is now DPMS,,, is the upper,,the lower and the charging handle! The Gun is now a JP,, --Rainier Arms Barrel Bolt and carrier,, Jp trigger and gass Block,, I adjusted it Just like Benny said,,, and the gun runs,,, Thank you for all the Help,,,

So,,, hmm hmm what is the longest Slug shot going to be??????

Just put a new pumpgun,, together,,,, hope to use it in this match!!!

I filled out the Registration on the web site,, who and or how do I send the money !

Oh ya, I always look for the test gun info,, Nosler,, data I looked up is from a 20 inch,, and I too have a 20inch so, the data should be close,,

I would do some ladder testing and find out what load your rifle shoots the best and not worry about velocity. Pat I'm trying to cut the R&D time,, and get too it, I shoot a Horus, so getting my holds/drops is not a problem,, Your not going to cut time. Different rifles shoot loads differently. You need to find what your rifle likes. There is no magic velocity. In fact accuracy had little to nothing to do with velocity and more to do with barrel harmonics. Here are some loads with the 77 grain Sierra and Nosler that have worked well for me. BEST LOADS in Larue Stealth with 77 grain SMK bullets 24.1 grains of N140 (Sierra recommended Accuracy load) 2574 2589 2613 2613 2599 Average 2597 Spread 39 Accuracy .568 Best 4 All 5 groups .73 (one called flier ruined average) Load 23.8 grains of Varget Remington Match primers 77 grain SMK 2455 2480 2538 2495 2530 Average 2500 Spread 83 Average 5 shot group .66 N135 21.8 grains 77 grain SMK 2448 2545 2534 2519 2459 Average 2501 Average 5 shot group .65 22.6 grains of H335 2524 2505 2483 2529 2521 Average 2512 Spread 46 Average 5 shot group size .72 Looking at data,, and looking at Black Hill's and other 77 factory data,, they list it running at 2750FPS,,,, that looks way high, they probably have a way to crimp the primers in,, most of the other data,, I have found is in the high 2500's and that is OK,, it looks like all of your data and groups are great,, any group under an inch, is good, pushing it out at distance, will give you truth,, I used to have a 200 YD range at my house, I would test,, new load data with 200 yd groups,, I did half and inch at 200 a few times,, with one gun,, shooting, 60 Gr V-max, shot that barrel out,, and am working up ,, other loads,, this gun, with this load,, will be the gun I shooting at my next RM3G, that match has some real rifle shooting 200+ yds,

I would do some ladder testing and find out what load your rifle shoots the best and not worry about velocity. Pat I'm trying to cut the R&D time,, and get too it, I shoot a Horus, so getting my holds/drops is not a problem,,

What is the optimum Velocity for accuracy 77 GR With a 20 inch barrel, 1/8 twist. What is the Velocity that gives the best accuracy? I’m asking the question that way, because it has been difficult to find the same type of powder on a regular basis, s So before I start working up loads, with, TAC, Varget, and some R-15. And some other powders, as time goes on. What velocity should I be trying to get. ?

Yes yes Great match, Thank you so much To, JJ, Denise And all of the RO’s Without OR’s and match staff you have NOTHING! I’m old and slow, and place at this match lower every year, But I still Love this match. RM3G is my Favorite match! With the History of the match, the NRA Whittington center and the challenge, of the stages, The whole experience and Quality father and Son’s! Time. Great memories that will last lifetimes, I won’t be able to do the world shoot thing next year Unless I have a lotto win, and a Job that gives more Vacation time, I’ll have to wait out the World, and plan on the 2015 RM3G

I just keep loading more ammo,,,,

They did when we shot the He Man. Thanks for the info,,,,, That would be cool,,,, We run a 300 yd zero, and it is very nice to be able to verify,, by just hitting the steel, at 300,,

The color is just like the link,,, they do look like the Remington's the Seconds I got, had a little ridge, above the bullet cannelure, kind of making it somewhat a SWC. ISH,, maybe just a test run, for them,,, I know the ones I got shoot great, I have shot them out to 750yds,, and they rock!

Hey,,, the Zero range,, they used to have steel up,, from 300 On out,,, last year they moved the Steel tgt,,, has anyone been to the Zero range this year?? do they have some steel up at 300?????????????

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/272487/blemished-bullets-30-caliber-308-diameter-150-grain-polymer-tip-bonded-spitzer-boat-tail-box-of-100-bulk-packaged What brand are they? they shot so well, I want to find more of them.

On other news,, Its not silly HOT in Raton,, I hope the 70's hang in for the match!

Looking in this thread,,, didn't see it,,,, in 2014 will thier still be the Good old, RM3G 2014,,

That role of 550 cord,,,,,,,,,,,,,, just in case,,,

Oh Ya,, I'm loading Ammo now,, for Me and the Son's,,,, I cast,, so Pistol bullets, and Shotgun Slugs,, are no problem,, just making time to cast and load, , finding rifle bullets, is,, more of a challenge,,, as for Powder and Primers, as we all know the best kind is the kind you can find!,, I still have lots to do,, but I'm on the down slide.. of loading for the match.

thanks,,, I got some,, but have not had a chance to try it,,, the ones I got look a lil big,, I did get the smallest ones they had,, but I will try to put them in. and OR,, I'll look at some other hardware store,, for some others,

Thank you! Trapr,,,,,,,,,,,, I appreciate the Loaner, more than I can tell you, ,,,,,, JJ (RM3G) always asks if I'm going to shoot He Man, to get the numbers up in that shooting class,, and its fun to shoot the smaller divisions,, too,, hey everyone needs someone to beat!! But then again with a Gun that is going to work, I can concentrate on shooting the match and not gun smiting mid stage,, I have been fighting this gun for a long time,, now I'm just to stupid and stubborn to give up on it,,, Some day this gun will work,, and I’m sure in the end it will be something so Obvious it will be embarrassing, but on the other hand, I’m not the only one with this problem, lots of AR’s in 308 have this same problem. If I had the equipment, ( Machine Shop) to do some real machining, I would re-design the bolt with an extractor twice the size of the one, currently on 308 bolts, with double springs.

Yes,, but I appreciate your Ideas,,, I did get an e-mail from the JP folks,, they are working on a new better extractor, but its not out yet,,

I have played with the and put his JP bolt in my gun,,, hmmmmmm I'm still waiting on an e-mail from the JP folks,, but I'm going to play with the extractor, spring and Rubber O rings,, Hell I might just JB wield it in and see what happens, all the ammo fall in and out of my JP case gage,,,,,,, and I can hand cycle the ammo through the gun,,, hmmmmmm I know I'm not the only one that has this problem,,, if i shot off a bench all the time,,, its no big deal,,, But in 3 Gun, NOPE,,, the gun needs to run!,

I put on a JP,, gas block,,, so yes,,, I have tried, 3 different extractor springs,,, now,, and the lil black inset thing is in it,, and I will,,, get some #1 o-rings and put in 2ea,,,,,, sounds like a good idea,,, thank you,, funny,, but once I read it,, I thought,, DAAA I should have thought of that,,

Still having the same problem, fail to extract,, I can got a 10 shot string,, then it will not extract,,, next time it will do it on the first round,, then I can get 15 shots off,, then a FTE the only part of the gun that is now original is the bolt carrier,, stripped upper and lower,,,, I don’t have much left to change,,, Used Factory ammo ,, hand loaded ammo,, many types of ammo,,, same problem,, the only parts left is the bolt and carrier,, I have tried, a JP bolt in the Gun,, thanks Trapr… it did the same thing,, and I did put a longer gas tube in the gun,, a so called 308 tube,, it did not change the,, FTE issue,,