Missouri Bullet 180gr with Unique and TiteGroup Results

[2011WRBSTI]

Well I finally made it to the range to test 6 10rnd batches of loads for our 2 STI CRP Edges. The day was slightly overcast and 60degrees. Didnt look at the humidity. Shooting through a F1 Chrono.

All loads were loaded to 1.180.....our pistols didn't like it...It was too long as there tended to be 1 in each batch that wouldn't load and the ones that did load, they showed rifling marks when chambered then ejected to inspect. I will be shortening them up a bit and will have more testing to do.

As previously stated the pistols were DP CRP Edges 5" stock as they come as the CRP Package.

Unique 5.0gr OAL 1.180

949.3, 898.3, 877.4, 912.0, 912.0, 909.3, 862.4, 910.6, 878.6, 10th wouldn't load

Average 901

Unique 5.1gr OAL 1.180

886.7, 857.3, 925.6, 880.2, 932.8, 934.8, 931.5, 876.9, 948.3, 10th wouldn't load

Average 897

Unique 5.2gr OAL 1.180

857.4, 876.9, 854.5, 966, 866.5, 920.9, 875.6, 874, 881.6, 10th wouldn't load

Average 885

Not impressed with the velocities of Unique as far and the dramatics of high / low per grain weight. I promise I didn't mess up those numbers. The 5.2gr actually averaged slower than the 5.0gr. Perplexing to say the least but one test a result does not make

TiteGroup 4.6gr OAL 1.180

962.5, 988.8, 973.6, 983.5, 1023, 995.3, 961, 991.7, 971.9, 10th wouldn't load

Average 983

TiteGroup 4.6gr OAL 1.180

938.4, 949.2, 923, 951.2, 965.4, 989, 965.9, 981.9, 937.2, 957

Average 958

TiteGroup 4.7gr OAL 1.180

1004, 1010, 988.3, 1011, 1006, 1008, 1003, 1000, 1007, 10th wouldn't load

Average1004

TiteGroup had less dramatics between high and low at each grain weight. It did produce noticably more smoke than Unique did however felt a tad less snappy than Unique did.

Overall impression. I will have to try again as I will be shortening the OAL of the rounds so the numbers will definately change. I will have to look at the grains that I will be charging for the shorter rounds. However, one thing I can say is that I benched the pistols while shooting through the chorno and the target was 25 yards away. The accuacy of the Missouri Bullets was impressive. I could cover all 55 rounds shot with one hand and mostly only needed the palm. I will post more information of the new rounds once I get back to the range with the redone loads. I am always open to suggestions so please keep em coming.

Edited June 20, 2013 by 2011WRBSTI

[2011WRBSTI]

Changed my COAL to 1.160 due to neither one of the STI Edge pistols we own liking 1.180. Both liked 1.160 much better. Went back to the range and did a 50 round test for each powder. I shot 25 through my STI and 25 through my wife’s. I did this as there can be subtle differences in each pistol and this way I can get a load going that will work for both.

Here is the Load Data for 180gr Missouri Bullet on top of 4.6gr of TiteGroup loaded to 1.160 on a Dillon XL650 ( New addition to my house )

His – 5” STI CRP Edge from Dawson Precision

972.0 985.9 973.5 993.1 1003 967.7 987.5 998.5 974.5 975.7 992.5 975.1 995.2 1001 986.3 985.0 994.1 972.4 996.2 992.0 976.0 997.7 988.4 987.6 990.0

Average – 986.5 = 177PF

Her – 5” STI CRP Edge from Dawson Precision

977.8 1014 983.1 987.9 1005 988.2 968.4 991.2 1015 1001 995.8 987.5 989.7 989.7 1006 996.7 967.7 1003 969.4 967.7 991.2 982.5 970.3 1001 976.6

Average – 989.0 = 178PF

This gives me an average of 987.7fps = 177PF for both pistols. I did the math and found that I was getting roughly 214.71fps per grain. Some more math leads me to believe that 4.4gr of TiteGroup will result in roughly a 170PF which is where I want to sit. I have loaded it up and just need to go to the range to chrono.

Here is the Load Data for 180gr Missouri Bullet on top of 5.3gr of Unique loaded to 1.160 on a Dillon XL650

His – 5” STI CRP Edge from Dawson Precision (newly added DP FLGR w/12# recoil spring)

902.6 910.4 936.3 903.6 961.4 946.4 944.0 912.4 916.2 924.5 927.0 938.5 955.4 900.0 910.5 941.4 938.7 951.1 940.5 917.3 938.6 925.9 937.4 911.4 983.6

Average – 930.9 = 167PF

Her – 5” STI CRP Edge from Dawson Precision (newly added DP FLGR w/12# recoil spring)

932.3 916.4 911.1 923.1 920.2 954.5 916.7 930.5 938.3 911.1 944.3 946.0 930.4 963.0 924.6 932.8 944.1 941.2 941.0 910.4 958.8 953.2 908.5 936.4 914.4

Average – 932.4 = 167PF

This gives me an average of 931.5fps = 167PF for both pistols. Did the same math and found that 5.4gr should get me the 170PF that I am looking for. I have 50 more loaded and will update the data after the next chrono session.

Edited May 26, 2014 by 2011WRBSTI

[Maxximuss]

Please keep the results coming, this is a very similar set up to mine. I personally don't think you will make major on 4.4 grains with that OAL length, but I am interested to see.

[Rob01]

I run 4.6grns of Titegroup behind Hornady 180 HAPs at 1.140" and get the same velocity for my major load in my Glock 35 and STI Edge. I have a Trojan coming in this week and will try it in that as well but due to the single stack mags I might have to load them longer, around 1.180", so will be interesting to see if velocity stays close. I used to have them at 1.155" and they were the same.

[2011WRBSTI]

Newest Load Data completed 2 hours ago. Partly cloudy and 65 degrees

Here is the Load Data for 180gr Missouri Bullets on top of 4.4gr of TiteGroup loaded to 1.160 on a Dillon XL650

His – 5” STI CRP Edge from Dawson Precision (newly added DP FLGR w/12# recoil spring)

954.8 967.2 966.8 966.5 983.5 961.4 965.5 962.4 965.0 965.3 973.1 979.2 975.7 957.7 955.4 976.6 971.6 974.1 960.9 970.4 959.8 962.8 965.8 971.2 969.7

Average – 967.9 = 174PF

Her – 5” STI CRP Edge from Dawson Precision (newly added DP FLGR w/12# recoil spring)

967.9 965.4 969.7 974.8 983.5 966.6 961.6 958.6 964.6 952.9 983.5 978.8 974.1 970.3 977.0 982.7 983.0 954.8 984.8 949.0 981.0 964.1 961.7 957.8 970.5

Average – 969.5 = 174PF

This gives me an average of 968.7fps = 174PF for both pistols. Higher than I thought it would be. Math told me 945fps average for the 4.4gr of TiteGroup. Math failed me again

Here is the Load Data for 180gr Missouri Bullets on top of 5.4gr of Unique loaded to 1.160 on a Dillon XL650

His – 5” STI CRP Edge from Dawson Precision (newly added DP FLGR w/12# recoil spring)

951.1 980.3 976.7 977.1 989.1 955.7 960.0 964.8 965.3 987.5 962.3 983.1 957.8 993.4 965.0 962.3 976.2 1014 967.0 921.0 972.2 961.1 942.7 949.7 991.8

Average – 969.0 = 174PF

Her – 5” STI CRP Edge from Dawson Precision (newly added DP FLGR w/12# recoil spring)

974.4 1009 997.9 985.5 979.3 976.7 962.9 992.4 997.6 970.3 964.5 988.3 964.3 970.8 986.9 962.1 976.4 976.0 994.4 973.6 978.7 960.1 963.1 988.9 986.0

Average – 979.2 = 176PF

This gives me an average of 974.1fps = 175PF for both pistols. Again not the result I was thinking I would get.

Both loads were hotter FPS wise today than I expected. Both were right around 5fps hotter per grain today. But one test does not a result make so…..boohoo….. guess I’ll have to go back and test these powder weights some more . Keep watch for another round of 50 per powder using the exact same powder weight.

Edited May 26, 2014 by 2011WRBSTI

[Maxximuss]

What was the OAL for this last test?

Edited May 26, 2014 by Maxximuss

[Maxximuss]

Disregard that last question, I found it....

[2011WRBSTI]

1.160....Its up there....in the red for each powder

[2011WRBSTI]

Disregard that last question, I found it....

[Rob01]

Those almost mimic mine as well with 4.4grns. With 4.2grns I believe I was around 935fps. At work so can't check for sure but new it was close to the 925fps mark I was wanting to stay above.

2011 if you want a nice powder puff load drop that charge down to 3.2grns of Titegroup and the 180s. I dropped a 10# spring in and it's very nice to shoot.

[2011WRBSTI]

Those almost mimic mine as well with 4.4grns. With 4.2grns I believe I was around 935fps. At work so can't check for sure but new it was close to the 925fps mark I was wanting to stay above.

2011 if you want a nice powder puff load drop that charge down to 3.2grns of Titegroup and the 180s. I dropped a 10# spring in and it's very nice to shoot.

Wow 3.2gr would feel like a 38auto .....that would be around 695fps LOL....no way to make major there Well on other note....I did get to test the new shotgun out today. Trying to learn real quick the loading (doubles) as I have a 3 gun event coming up and I've never done one before. Definitely a learning curve there!

[Rob01]

Close LOL No definitely not a major load but a good 130 PF steel or 3 gun load. Mine were around the 725fps area if I remember correctly. I use the same load for 200grn bullets too.

Doubles are easy with a little practice. Go to quads soon after getting the double down. It's not as hard as it sounds. I got Invictus Practical quad, 12Q, and dual, 8D, carriers for Christmas and after an hour of practice I was loading twice as fast as I was with standard load 4s. I can now load 8 in 5 seconds shoulder to shoulder. No as fast as some but before it was around 8 seconds for 4. Just practice about an hour a night and it will come.

[2011WRBSTI]

WAIT WAIT WAIT.........You are telling me.....I have to practice????? Well time to sell everything