Perry F.

Ahhhh.. This may be the problem. Perry you should re-read my earlier posts. I stated that I do indeed feel that classes should be recognized with trophy awards. I just don't feel that money or prizes should be distributed based on class. We had some miscommunication. We agree on the first part. Is money gvien out to classes at Area 5, if so how much? Perry Ronnie has the formula.. It is based on total number of entrants in the division. I think based on the numbers we have now, the production division winner will take home about 400 bucks. First M will get a couple hundredish, and so forth, right on down to High D. This is only my second season of USPSA, I am not sure, if I can comment on the money prizes but I'll try. Aren't the matches made up of mostly B,C,D shooters? Should they not get a piece of the pie? they also have to pay expenses.

Ahhhh.. This may be the problem. Perry you should re-read my earlier posts. I stated that I do indeed feel that classes should be recognized with trophy awards. I just don't feel that money or prizes should be distributed based on class. We had some miscommunication. We agree on the first part. Is money gvien out to classes at Area 5, if so how much? Perry

No... it has nothing to do w/ class wins. It has to do w/ percentage of finish against 3+ GMs. You can win your class 100 times, but if you're below the percentage required to be in the next class up in those matches, you will not be bumped up. Someone who wants to sandbag can do so indefinitely - unless an SC or AD writes a letter to USPSA with appropriate proof to request the person be moved up (and that's exceedingly rare). I got this off the USPSA website Scores From Major Matches "A shooter's performance in larger matches and tournaments may also be used to help establish a classification if at least three Grand Masters completed the match within a specific Division and performed at a level high enough to be considered a national standard. Each division is evaluated separately based on this criteria, so it may be possible for scores from one division to be used while another division is not." "In addition, if the competitor shoots an Area Championship or major tournament and wins first or second in a class higher than his or her current classification, the member may be promoted to that higher class, except for Grand Master."

I know, it says something in the rule book, if you win a big match(level 3or4), you may get bumped up. Maybe the rules should be more concrete. Your issues with whats going on in IPSC, is not why I posted, I am concerned that you think our lower Classes, don't warrant any recognition. In Ronnie's case, Where do the awards end and at what point do your stop giving awards. I think, the top 3 overall winners in a Area match warrant recognition, that is a great effort and performance. Perry

Referring to Ronnie, there has to be a certain amount of people in your class before they give trophies. The 1:3 ratio. If a C Production shoots against 12 other Pro. C shooters they give trophies to 3rd place. This makes sense, you have a larger pool of competitors in your class. I am not sure about monetary prizes at Area matches. I know they raffled of prizes at Area 5, the last two years. I am not interested or put as much weight in the monetary prizes. I do have a problem, about your comments about questioning lower classes, deserving trophy or recognition. It does not sit with me well. I did not see any humor in your post.

The sandbaggers can usually only do it once, and then they get bumped up automatically. Although, they could start the whole process over again in the next class. I have to much pride to ever purposly do bad. It would be nice to peak in your class before a major match and not be bumped up. I am sure many people think of that.

I think the point is that most people were trying to avoid name calling and antagonistic tones...whether we agreed or not. From my point of view, their posts are insulting and antagonistic. I can see you added nothing to the discussion.

Jake, I think we agree more than we disagree. However, I still do not think that class performance should be used as a means of awarding anything but trophies. I don't really care how hard other people want to try. I think its crazy to pick my pocket in the form of entry fee's, or rewarding donated prizes that could go to someone that actually deserves it by awarding it to a guy that happens to beat the 7 other D production shooters. 2% is still 2% to much if you ask me. Give him a trophy, an attaboy, and send him on his way. I don't see how we can "promote excellence in the manipulation of a pistol" by rewarding the most pedestrian of accomplishments with prizes. I hear the "encouragement" reason cited for other things that drag the sport down as well. Like if an MD puts on stages that are just plain to easy, and says "well what about the new shooters"? Ummm.. its a match... not a goddamn ego massage for people that cant hit anything. The same should also go for our prize table. You want a prize? Practice. I hate to say this, but one of the things I really like about IDPA is the rule that prizes must be given randomly. I can't get anything for shooting well, but nobody else is gonna get something for shooting poorly. So the D or C guy does not deserve a real prize? You deserve it more? You practice harder? Did he not earn it, by putting in hours of practice and dedication? Improving his performance level and classification? Trophy? They paid a match fee. Winning an Area 5,6,7 etc.. match as a C shooter just might be a great acoomplishment to the person. Maybe not to you. It also moves them up the ladder to become Master shooters. Sorry your post and Jakes are somewhat egotistical. Immature? I can't believe no one else replied, to the rubbish. I hope when I get a Masters card, I don't have your attitudes toward "undeserving" C,D shooters. See ya, need to do my daily dryfire/reload. Perry, c Class shooter(Non-sandbagging)

I don't believe you are double tapping, else your second shot would be high. You are just shooting the second shot a little bit too fast. Speed will come with time and practice. You need to see your sights for all your shots. Your muscle memory will adjust to where your gun should be (so you can see the sights) for the second shot over time. For closer targets, your margin for error is smaller, thus allowing you to have faster splits. Thanks. The farther targets the more evident.

That view is awesome.

Aren't they easier to clean?

Sa, Have you ever tried rushing your shots on a stage then reshooting it with visual patience? If so, is or would your your time much different? I need to try this experiment. thanks

" But, I think you have to practice shooting fast just as much as you have to practice being accurate (power isn't practiced-it's just measured). Race car drivers didn't get good at going fast by driving around Daytona at 55 mph." If you try the faster speed in a match then you tank. Better to do it in practice. I agree. Your shots or cadence should be even at the same distance targets. If you engage a closer target then the one your prevoius shot at, would your splits not be faster? Thanks

Yeh your right it is tungsten. How do you pace youtself? When you want to go as fast as possible. I try letting the sights be my pace setter but it always does not work.

You changed two things here: 1 - you added weight to the front of the gun by putting in a titanium rod 2 - you changed the weight of the spring from 17 LBs to 15LBs. First off, where is your second shot? Low or high. My guess is that it might be low. The reason I'm guessing that is the added weight to the front of your gun is pulling the gun lower than it does normally while you are pulling the trigger on the second shot as you would normally do. Changing from 17 to 15 in the spring is not going to make that much of a difference. I am shooting low on the second shot. I have had time to adjust to the change. Flexmoney told me I just might be double tapping. It is hard to slow down.