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I'm looking to buy a bipod for 3-gun.
What size legs should I get?
Should I get the Harris S(wivel) model or the fixed one?
Any other good or better options out there?
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Dude, if you think the response in question was "comming [sic] off like a jerk," I would guess you have not been online too long, either here or elsewhere. That was pretty mild!
I don't know kurtm, and while his message wasn't the most diplomatic I've seen, it was far, far from being worthy of getting upset over it. It sounds like you really have an emotional attachment to your idea and you're taking it personally when someone dismisses it with a bit of sarcasm. It's not my business, but since you posted your feelings publically, I would recommend that you consider not taking it so seriously.
You'll also note that in the message you quoted, it was your ideas/words that were dismissed, not an ad hominem. When you resort to the name calling, you bring it to a different level that won't win you many friends or allies.
I wasn't looking for allies and I wasn't emotionally attached to my idea. Matt Burkett basically voiced the same opinion as KurtM. You don't see me calling him a "jerk."
My point is, is there is a way to convey your opinion without being a jerk.
And I don't see why KurtM can't do it. And I don't see why I can't point it out when he does.
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KurtM,
Dude are you D.R. Middlebrooks in disguise?
Let's see:
... you know it all...(just like Middlebrooks)
Gordo:It is ALWAYS faster to load while moving!!!!! Since Pacman and I load weak handed most of your thoughts don't apply. While moving I can see everything around me, especialy the ground I am traversing. Since all I have to see is just the very edge of the laoding port in my periferal vision, it becomes a non issue. More to the point of your post, we have tried the static thing, load like crazy and then run like crazy, it has always been slower than say the "slow walk" Eric aludes to ( even though with weak hand loading that slow walk is more like a quick smooth run). Static loading IS NOT the way to go!!!
Gordon:Go back and read my first post on this subject, I am sure the "load like crazy.....run like crazy" would qualify for your type i. I would like to reiterate at this point..... ALWAYS SLOWER!!!
... and your passive/aggresive and condescending in your posts...
Gordon:I like your idea! we could use those old drill team wooden rifles..you know the ones with the bolt that moves back and forth like real with the fake wooden bullet in it: Painted Safety Orange of course! Next a trip to the local toy store for cap guns to use for pistols ( to set the timers off!) We could all run through the stages in compleat safety and the R.O. would pick your hits for you!!! Think of the savings on tape!
This is one of those "degree" things, isn't it. Think of some of the old bulleseye shooters. They think that moving with a pistol in hand is so unsafe that all uspsa sport should be baned due to iminent death of all competitors! If the rifle/shotgun/pistol is empty and the mag out it is safe! Part of the "skill" challenge of multigun stages is to controll in a safe manor ALL of the weapons on or near you! If not, D.Q.!! We are all big kids here and I have yet to see anyone that doesn't grasp the concept of being safe at any of the non uspsa matches; but as I posted befor... it bothers the women and scares the horses...there fore " it can't be safe" think of the children! By the way we sometimes run stages where you carryTWO LOADED FIREARMS through out the whole stage....we'er goners!!! Save us!!! KURT
... you have some skill... (just like Middlebrooks)
I have seen the video and must (regrettably ) HAIL KURT MILLER, the be.com shotgun reloading king. That is an awesome shotgun load you've got going there. I must now pray to Bennie Cooley for strength and guidance.I guess it just me or the internet format... but your comming off like a jerk. (just like Middlebrooks)
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If want to do transitions and do it relatively safely use a dummy rifle/shotgun/handgun.
For example, if you want to simulate a transition from a rifle to a handgun...
shoot the rifle first... "safe" it (i.e. no mag, empty chamber, muzzle pointed at a safe direction) exchange it with the dummy rifle (usually at a table), sling the dummy rifle and then transition to the handgun. The shooter can then proceed with the stage with a simulated jammed/empty rifle.
Of course this method isn't as "sexy" as actually using a real rifle in the transition... but it is arguably safer.
Another cool and "safe" generic scenario is:
(Have a "safed" rifle on a table. Start with a dummy rifle and a loaded pistol holstered.)
Start with the dummy rifle aimed at the targets...
you experience a "jam" so you sling your (dummy)rifle and transition to the handgun.
You shoot and you move to the table with the rifle. You "safe" the pistol on the table and put the dummy rifle on the table. You then use the rifle to finish the stage.
With the above you are simulating a jam with the rifle. You transition to the handgun to solve the pressing problem and then you move to cover (the table) to fix the jam and you complete solving the problem.
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Go back and read my first post on this subject, I am sure the "load like crazy.....run like crazy" would qualify for your type i. I would like to reiterate at this point..... ALWAYS SLOWER!!!
Did you guys run drills with a timer while varying the distance to be traversed and the # of rounds to reload to confirm this?
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Last nite we set up a shoot em as you see em stage with steel and clays. One of us decided to shoot the four steel, run like crazy (about 20 yards) to a spot where you could see most of all the targets, load 4, shoot 9 targets and run the gun dry, load 3 more and finish up. The best 2 out of 3 runs were around 27 seconds each.
Mickster,
That's not quite the technique I was describing or what I meant to describe.
In this scenario, he should have shot the four steel and then:
i. Static reloading V1 (my version
)1) dismount the SG and reload
2) run like hell
3) slow down
4) prep the gun (shoulder the SG in a firing position and look for the first target)
5) arrive at the shooting/box area prepped for the shot
6) shoot the targets.
Instead he (if I am interpreting his run correctly):
ii. Static reloading V2
1) dismounted the SG and ran like hell
2) arrived at the shooting area/box and came to a complete stop
3) reloaded
4) mounted the gun while in the shooting area
5) shot the targets
The winning runs in this case:
iii. Reloading on the move
(while walking/moving)
1) dismount the SG and reload
2) prep the gun (if he executed the reload quick enough, otherwise the shooter would have to do it in 3a)
3) arrived at the shooting area
....3a) and prep the gun (if he didn't execute the reload quick enough)
4) shoot the targets.
My main argument (and what I am trying to find out if it is true or not) for technique i. (static reloading) vs. iii. (reloading while moving) is that i. theoritically:
1) Allows you to better prepare (for a given distance) for the shot.
(In this scenario, if the shooter had executed all of the reloads and had room to prepare for the shots, technique i.'s theoritical advantage 1. is negated. Hence my qualification "for a given distance.")
2) Less fumbles.
3) Potentially safer.
Technique ii. should not be used at all since it eliminates "advantage" #1.
This is good confimation that at least in this case iii. is better than ii.
Anybody have any examples or experiences with a comparison between i. and iii. ?
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In your practice sessions, have you done moving vs. not moving drills while reloading four rounds? Did you find that moving and loading the four rounds was timewise faster than staying still, reloading, and then moving?
Whenever I get the chance I'm going out the range and testing the my moving vs. not moving shot to shot times. But I want to get your guys' experience and results to verify or solidify what I experience in the future practice session.
As far as I can see:
Moving:
- More likely to fumble/miss the reloads. Requires more dexterity since the shell port is
moving.
- You are more likely to stumble or even dq.
(EXAMPLE: While you are moving, your attention is on the reload and you may not see
that rock, stick, or prop while you are moving. If you hit the object you may trip,
mess up your grip on the gun and change the muzzle direction (breaking the 180),
fall flat on your ____
, etc. Reloading while moving the SG vs. the pistol is verydifferent in terms of the attention required.)
+ Movement wise it is faster (i.e. you are using the time moving instead of standing
and going nowhere)
Not moving:
+ The reload will be more sure and you will be less likely to fumble.
- Movement wise it is slower (you aren't using that "down time" to move to your next position)
+ In some cases, at a given distance, you can prep for the next box or port more smoothly.
(EXAMPLE: Say the distance to your next area is 10'. If you reload and then move,
you have that 10' to prep your shot and position. If you reload on the move, you won't have
that 10'. It's probably fine if you have to only reload 1-2 rounds since I would think you can
execute that move while moving about two to three steps and you would have space (say 3')
to prep for your shot and position (but still not as good as if you had the full 10'). But if
you have to do more than the X rounds, if you move you will probably be at the box and
still reloading. In that case, you can't pop off a shot as you are enterting the area like
you could if you had remained static and reloaded.)
What do you guys think of my reasoning and what are your experiences?
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Just wondering what everybody's experience was and what they think is faster.
With pistol it's almost a no-brainer... reload while you move.
But with SG's it's not always just one trip to the gun's reloading port. In some cases topping off the tube will require up to four trips to the belt/side saddle/arm band etc. So with limited SG:
Do you guys ALWAYS move while reloading?
Or do you stop, reload and then go?
I know your response may depend on the course.
So at what distance between firing boxes/areas do you decide when to reload while either moving or remain static?
At what # of rounds (that you need to reload) do you either remain static or move? (For example, if it was only 1-2 rounds I need, I will deviate from my stronghand reload technique and switch to weakhand and I will in this case I will most likely reload while moving.)
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Have a couple of questions about the Glock 37's new round..
1. Is the case the same as a .45 ACP but just cut down?
(As in, can I just trim 45 ACP brass and use them for the new G37.)
2. Is the diameter of the bullet the same as the .45 ACP?
(As in, can I use normal [and widely available] .45 ACP bullets
for reloading the G37?)
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I bought a Pocket Pro from this guy about 1.5 years ago...
http://www.rushusa.com/html/products/compelec.html
$109.95 delivered. This guy has cheap prices for a lot of stuff.
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now that Tasco got bought out by Bushnell? I have an Optima that I bought from a friend. He says it works... but knowing the Optimas reputation I'm hesitant to buy a slide cut for it.
Anybody know if Tasco will be carrying the Optima again and selling it for $99? Just like the good old days?
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Heck, why don't you exercise while you are shooting matches? Tape more and walk faster while doing so. Walk around with a back pack or a filled camel back during the match. Kill two birds with one stone.
And when the match really counts, take off the weights and tape only as much as you can get away with.
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Kurtm,
I think you missed a part of my question on the gun that you use. I get that you are using a rifle stock, but are you using a Benelli (i.e. lighter)?
I guess what I'm trying to get at, is this technique a Benelli (lighter) only and not a gas gun (heavy) technique?
I'm not fully aware of what the people you listed are using, but I believe Butler uses a pistol gripped Benelli. Which lead me to initially believe that this is a technique that only lends itself to a lighter shotgun (SG) with a pistol grip.
Also when you are loading with this technique:
1. Are you changing your strong hand grip and then going into back into a firing grip?
2. Are you holding the gun parallel to the earth or is the muzzle down or up?
3. Where is the buttstock? Is it against your shoulder in a firing position or is it somewhere else?
To All:
What does the pistol grip do that causes functioning problems in a SG? I've never ran with one before. But I think using the technique that is being mentioned lends itself to using a pistol grip. It's a lot harder to hold the SG vertically with a rifle stock than it is with a pistol grip.
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KurtM,
Are you using a pistol-gripped Benelli? If Jed's Grandma can use that technique effectively on a "normal" SG... she must be someone special.
There is just no way I can use that technique with my rifle stock 1100. Oh well...
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That's a theory. The theory smacks into reality if the bigger bullet takes away too much case capacity. That's why I said stay with 124/125. That was the consensus of the early experimenters: Rob, Voight, Koenig.
Some of those guys found out the hard way.
Do you have any links or info that support this?
From Maass' 9x21 web page:
http://home.columbus.rr.com/jmaass/documen...ents/hl9x21.pdf
OAL ~1.161"
Powder............Bullet Weight..........PF................Pressure
N350................147.........................181.7...........42800
N350................123.........................171.3...........42800
N350................115.........................176.2...........42800
3N37................147.........................180.4...........42800
3N37................123.........................167.4...........42800
3N37................115.........................176.2...........42800
3N37................100.........................162.1...........42800
From the 9mm Winchester manual:
http://www.winchester.com/pdf/Page25.pdf
Powder............Bullet Weight..........Vel...........PF.................Pressure
WSF.................147 FMJ..................950...........139.65.........32300
WSF.................124 FMJ..................1115.........138.26.........32700
WSF..................124 LRN.................1055.........130.8...........27300
WSF.................115 FMJ...................1195........137.43.........31900
The above sampling illustrates the "rule of thumb" --- with the same powder, you can make higher PF with heavier bullets with the same powder and pressure level.
And like all rule of thumbs, it's not 100%. I am aware of Clays and heavier bullets in .40 is a no-no. That's been well documented. But .40 major and 9mm Open major applications are pretty different. With .40 you tend to use faster powder for less recoil and with Open slower powder tends to be used so the comp can be driven more effectively.
What is the experience with 124/5's by the professionals are you referring to?
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IIRC, I you could actually make SAAMI spec'd 9mm loads that made old major with AA#7 using 147's. The load was in one of my Lyman manuals (which I can't find right now).
So if you want to be on the safe side, use 135's or 147's. It think it's a rough rule of thumb that with the same powder, you can get higher PF's at the same pressure levels with heavier bullets than with lighter bullets.
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http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/Pro...ail.aspx?p=1591
The Brownell's ad doesnt mention enlarging the gas port. Are you sure?
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Does the Ace case have padding?
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That looks promising. $121 + s/h isn't too bad. Thanks for the heads up.
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I do this with my P14 and P16 all the time. The ejectors are caliber specific and have to be changed. BTW, I ran my guns without the little roll pin on the ejectors and they worked fine.
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I didn't want to hijack the other thread.
Instead of driving the car from stage to stage, on certain occasions I like to just carry my stuff around. I currently use two cases and it is fine right now. But are there any good soft cases out there that can hold both an AR and a shotgun at the same time?
I was thinking of getting one of those sniper drag-bags, but the ones I have seen (Blackhawk) don't seem to be able to carry two long-guns. Any other options out there?
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... which means you will be faster with one.
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I have a magwell on my P16 and STI. I am a lot faster and more consistent with a magwell than without.
I would put one on my Glock in a heartbeat, but it's prohibited in Production.
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Well the above would lead me to conclude that ISMI has crappy or a bad batch of Glock springs.
My used G17 is still on its original (when I got it) guiderod and spring and it has maybe 5000+ rounds that I have put through it and whatever the previous owner put through it. The spring is flat and there is no buckling.
If the ISMI did somehow buckle when used then it is junk (I only used mine for ~500 rounds before I noticed the buckling). And if the ISMI comes like that from the factory (as in HTR's case), then again it is junk.
I hope they get they their act together and either pull the bad springs from the market or improve their spring. I'm going to stick with the factory springs until they do...
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