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Reshoot, as the score sheet has insufficient entries.
9.7.5 If a score sheet is found to have insufficient or excess entries, or if the
time has not been recorded on the score sheet, the competitor will be
required to reshoot the course of fire.
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I recieved a Smith & Wesson M&P9L for Christmas. I've recently noticed shooting matches that when I do a tactical reload (IDPA) or any reload with a round in the pipe, the gun jumps out of battery. It only moves about and 1/8 of an inch, but enough to take the gun out of battery. I can bump the slide forward into battery. I've been talking to my dad about it (who also shoots a M&P), and we both think the recoil spring is weak. The factory recoil spring was changed to an aftermarket one. I'm not sure if I want to take it back to a factory spring. Does anyone make recoil springs for M&Ps? If so, what is the best poundage for a recoil spring? If you need to know I shoot Winchester white box ammo and slightly lower charged ammo, that still makes power factor
I have 2 9Pros and both did that with a 13lb recoil spring and factory striker spring. After changing to reduced power striker springs they haven't done it again.
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We solved that by setting a blanket standard that is briefed at every shooter's meeting. After the 2nd squib, your ammo is deemed unsafe and you are automatically DQ'd.
...and you realize that if the competitor has different ammo --- factory, something loaded to different specs --- in the car, that you need to let him continue with a swapout of ammo, right? 'Cause that's not grounds to DQ the competitor; just to remove the ammo from the match.....
Part of the briefing is that the shooter should switch ammo after the first squib, because after the second he will be DQ'd from the rest of the match on our range.
O.K. --- under what rule? You can't DQ the competitor for a first, second or 17th squib --- you can flag his ammo as unsafe under 5.5.5. Following that declaration, 10.5.15 forbids any further use of that ammo, but 10.5.15.1 specifically prohibits disqualification for a competitor who's ammunition has been declared unsafe by a match official for multiple squibs. (Translation --- you can keep the competitor from shooting any additional stages if he doesn't have/can't get another ammo supply, but his scores to that point stand....)
A strict reading of 5.5.5 probably doesn't allow for a "general warning" during the briefing; it really requires an RO to declare the ammo unsafe....
because you have 2 squibs in a row, they deem all of your ammo unsafe? where does it stop? even the stuff you left in the car or at home??.
Really? to seriously DQ someone for two squibs? pretty gutsy. then what , DQ me because you dont agree with my gun or holster? not because a real safety hazard exists, but just because you think it needs to be DQed.
They may be shooting factory ammo such as cci blazer which i have seen squib 4 times in one box of 50 and not have any control over what is happening and your wanting to DQ them for that.
This looks more like an opportunity to swing your range balls around than to correct a safety hazard.
180 violations and ADs are the majority of the problem. FOCUS ON THEM.
Understand that the match Steve is speaking of is not a USPSA match therefore the USPSA rules quoted are irrelevant. In my opinion Steve's rules allowing the shooter an option to switch ammo after the first squib and then be DQed after a second squib seems like a good way to get the repeat offenders to take a little more care about loading their ammo. Do you think he would have done this if there weren't a high number of squibs occurring at his match?
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A fellow shooter told me an interesting event that happened to him at a match.
LAMR.....shooter does so.....Are you ready command is given and as the R/O raises the timer and hits the buzzer he knocks the shooter's loaded gun out of the holster. The R/O apologizes and clears the weapon. The R/O was going to let the shooter LAMR again when match director stated nope. The R/O told the MD he knocked the gun out of the holster and the MD admitted he saw that (he was four or five feet behind the shooter), but the MD said it didn't matter and DQ'ed the shooter. The shooter claimed R/O interference, but no luck....shooter was DQ'ed. The shooter told me the R/O felt bad, but the MD happened to see it.
Whats the proper call??
The RO is close enough to accidentally bump the shooter's holstered gun AND the MD is within 4 or 5 feet of the shooter?...Man y'all sure do stand close together in CA
. Really though, it's not necessary to hover over the shooter for the RO to see what he needs to, give the shooter a little space.On the subject of the DQ, I agree that the shooter did not drop or cause the gun to fall but it was caused by RO interference and no DQ.
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I have 2 Pro's and they both will close from slide lock when seating a mag with 10 rounds and have never failed to chamber a round, but I do seat magazines kinda firm
. To give you an idea how firm I sometimes seat mags, with a 13lb recoil spring I was having the slide coming out of battery during a slide closed type reload due to the inertia of seating the mag and pushing the gun back out. I fixed it by going to a reduced power striker spring. While testing the fix I found that when the mags get down to 5 rounds or less it is possible to seat them firm enough to dislodge the floor plate and have the base pad come off
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While it is possible to reload to 170s most find that they can reload faster and with less crashes to the 140. I generally will only start a stage with a 170 but have been known to reload to one if it offered a benefit due to stage breakdown, and those situations are rare.
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I have been trying to search for threads containing information on the M&P series of guns but search for M&P returns anything starting with M. So what is the secret? Using quotes around M&P doesn't work. Yes I tried advanced search which got down to 14 pages in the stock/production gun forum starting with an STI subject.
Use google advance search and limit the search to brianenos.com/forums
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The question of the legality of this stage has not been answered yet (unless I missed it). If it were Comstock it would be OK, but this stage as written does not appear to be legal.
9.2.3.2 Virginia Count must use paper targets exclusively, and must
only be used for Standard Exercises, Classifiers or Short
Courses
It is not a Standard Exercise....
1.2.2.1 “Standard Exercises” - Courses of fire consisting of two or more
separately timed component strings. Scores, with any penalties
deducted, are accumulated on completion of the course of fire to
produce the final stage results. Standard Exercises must only be
scored using Virginia Count or Fixed Time. The course of fire
for each component string may require a specific shooting position,
procedure and/or one or more mandatory reloads. Standard
Exercises must not require more than 24 rounds to complete.
Component strings must not require more than 6 rounds (12
rounds if a mandatory reload is specified).
It is not a Classifier.
And it is not a Short couse....
1.2.1.1 “Short Courses” must not require more than 8 rounds to complete
and no more than 2 shooting locations.
Is there something I am missing? How is this a legal course of fire?
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I would call USPSA HQ and ask.
I've called my local match director and the scores have all been turned in.
Mine is the only one not showing up.
Anyone know who I call?
What is the number?
Thanks.
Go to USPSA.com , on the left side click Additional Content, on the left again click Status of Uploaded Classifiers, enter your club code and using the 3 options you should find enough info to determine what is going on. Or PM me your club name/code your USPSA# and I'll look for you.
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i'm sorry, but i'm just not believing this. yer telling me a sleeve of 5K primers is going for as much as $500? and people are paying that? wtf? i could trade mine for a new open gun...of course if they never do come back to reasonable prices, i wouldn't be able to shoot that new gun anyway.
Well, here ya go... 5000 CCI Large Rifle Primers 19 $500.00 45m
This auction has 24hrs remaining... 5000 Winchester Small Pistol Primers 10 $335.00 1d
and this one has over 2 days remaining... Winchester Small Pistol Primers / 5000 count 5 $320.11 2d +
Follow an auction on Small Rifle Primers and see how crazy it gets. They are few and far between but there are 2 like the following, granted they have no bids yet but they will most likely get run up in the last 24hrs of the auction. And they don't even have them on hand, they are backordered. Oh, and check out the comments in the ad text about "NEW LAWS".
WINCHESTER SMALL RIFLE PRIMERS 0 $595.00 3d 13h +
AUCTION IS FOR BACKORDERS ONLY ITEM IS NOT INSTOCK AT THIS TIME CASE LOT 5000 NO RETURNS ON RELOADING SUPPLIES OR BACK ORDERS. ORDER APPROX SHIP DATE 3 TO 4 WEEKS LIMITED BACKORDERS SO CALL SOON PRICES WILL DOUBLE DUE TO NEW LAWS
Mods: I intentionally did not post links to nor mention the auction site but if what I posted is improper please delete and accept my apologies.
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$175.81 plus shipping and hazmat for a box of 1000 Federal large rifle primers
I'm really hoping that's for 5,000.. lol
No, he's probably correct. I've seen 5k as high as $480 + shiping & HAZ on GB
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Something else to keep in mind is with the lot to lot variation that 4756 is known for it would not be a bad idea to purchase a couple years worth in 1 sitting. I've been known to order as many as 5 8lb'ers at a time for myself
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Powder Valley has IMR4756 in stock. PV's website
IMR4756-01 * IMR SR 4756 - 1 LB Yes $17.65
IMR4756-04 * IMR SR 4756 - 4 LBS. Yes $62.90
IMR4756-08 * IMR SR 4756 - 8 LBS. Yes $115.00
Get together with others and place a bulk order. You can mix and match powders in the same overpack up to 50lbs for 1 HAZMAT chg. HAZMAT and shipping works out to approx $1 a pound at that quantity.
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DQs are for safety violations...only, not target damage. anything downrange of the shooter can and should be expected to be damaged. this includes props, targets, target stands, etc.
AP used on steel is avoided by the RO checking ALL ammo with a magnet. if you want to avoid target damage, you need to be proactive as the "owner" of the target and keep the damage from happening in the 1st place, not hand out DQs willy nilly.
Same with slugs on poppers. either get AR500 poppers, or make the "offender" pay for the target damage. have the ROs watch very carefully and advise the shooter when he about to make a slug-on-popper mistake, again being proactive to keep the target damage from happening.
on a 3 gun stage with pistol/shotgun steel, you must have very heads up ROs to keep the shooter from engaging the short range steel with rifle. again, being proactive to try to prevent target damage. telling the shooter he will be paying for targets damaged by engaging it with the wrong firearm in the stage description will help deter problems.
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It would appear that it is a safety violation under 10.5 "Unsafe Gun Handling".
10.5 Match Disqualification – Unsafe Gun Handling
Examples of unsafe gun handling include, but are not limited to:
10.5.17 A shot fired at a metal target from a distance of less than 16 feet when
using birdshot or buckshot ammunition or 131 feet when using slug
ammunition. The distance is measured from the face of the target to the
nearest part of the competitor’s body in contact with the ground (see
Rule 2.1.3).
Given that in the stage diagram there are clays next to the poppers I would say that they are most likely inside of the 131 feet.
While I am not a big fan of a stage where poor ammo management could result in a DQ, situations like this do come up from time to time.
Edited to add that.... Yes I would shoot the stage as I feel the ability to load a shotgun efficiently is one of most tested skills in shotgun stages.
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If you are talking about the typical attaching point on the side of the dustcover area of the frame they are drilled and tapped all the way through, just be sure to shorten the screws enough that they don't protrude and drag the spring tunnel of the slide.
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7.1.1 Range Officer (“RO”) – issues range commands, oversees competitor
compliance with the written stage briefing and closely monitors safe
competitor action. He also declares the time, scores and penalties
achieved by each competitor and verifies that these are correctly
recorded on the competitor’s score sheet (under the authority of a Chief
Range Officer and Range Master).
Thank you Mr. Reese... I see that, but it doesn't specifically say anything about shots. I guess I like to see it spelled out... it appears gray to me where counting shots is concerned.JT
Nor does 7.1.1 specifically say what to watch for when it tasks the RO with monitoring safe competitor action, but there are other rules to spell that out just as there are other rules to spell out what is included in "oversees competitor
compliance with the written stage briefing". And it is within the WSB that dictates that the course of fire is scored Virginia count, and another rule(9.4.5.1) which specifically addresses the number of shots fired.
Sorry about not completing this path in my first response, but 7.1.1 tasks the RO with understanding and applying numerous other rules to the course of fire (way to many to repeat within 7.1.1).
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7.1.1 Range Officer (“RO”) – issues range commands, oversees competitor
compliance with the written stage briefing and closely monitors safe
competitor action. He also declares the time, scores and penalties
achieved by each competitor and verifies that these are correctly
recorded on the competitor’s score sheet (under the authority of a Chief
Range Officer and Range Master).
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Looks like a fun stage, hard to believe it would have ever been a classifier due to the issue of consistency in swinger design, speed and timing of activation nationwide.
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This is from an old price list, shows a spring kit for $15. That is assuming it is one of his stars?
TERRY ASHTON
9862 RUNION RD.
SAN ANGELO, TEXAS 76905
(915) 655-2809
e-mail – c8scrakr@airmail.net
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The dropdown menu on the entry form has all divisions listed........
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After reading the rifle rules a little more I found that the max plate size is 12 inches, so the Larue plates aren't legal anyway. I have now built and installed 12" circular plates on the Larue mechanism and I think they can be set light enough to fall with any hit. I will be testing them this weekend.
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Hey, I remembered....it was Brownells. The brake that came on the Practical is not a Benneli part, it is Royal Arms and can be found on page 153 of Brownells cat #60.
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I will check them out. My M1 has the breaching brake on the end and the choke is threaded on both ends for the barrel and the brake. Pain in the butt.
I have shot mine with normal choke tubes and no brake and could not tell any difference with or without the brake. I did this because I had misplaced my double threaded tubes and have since replaced them but I don't remember where I got them from. If it comes to me I will update with source.
. Really though, it's not necessary to hover over the shooter for the RO to see what he needs to, give the shooter a little space.
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Rules question - Coaching?
in USPSA/IPSC Rules
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And most likely that late in the game the additional time for the shot would be worse than the 15 points.