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A half millimeter fatter o-ring on the LNL bushing will fix this problem permanently.
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On 1/23/2021 at 1:12 PM, SnipTheDog said:
Ammoseek has a reloading search. There's no large or small primers to be found in the realm at any price. Never seen that before.
I was out running around today and ZERO primers found. I did manage to score a couple pounds of Winchester 296 powder. I normally use Hogdon H110, but this W296 will do just fine for now.
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On 1/22/2021 at 11:42 PM, ysrracer said:
Agreed, I'll stop shooting until things get back to normal, what ever the new normal is.
I sure dont like where i see the NEW NORMAL is taking us.
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We live in the world of the "gimme got a have it" crowd these days.
Only the newbie`s and whiners are causing these prices to keep climbing, because they cant help themselves.
If every person out there just plain stopped buying, everything would catch back up, and then they`ll lower the prices to move all the inventory they`re sitting on.
Ignorance is bliss. I woke up back when clinton first got elected. I wont pay for the greediness.
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Auto drive takes all the fun of "why" we reload. No thanks, to much to babysit already. Auto drive just complicates everything.
KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid
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They`ll start trickling in just before the internet goes dark with buying anything firearms related.
I`m all set. I`ve been awake since clinton was elected the first time. Use one, buy two to replace it.
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Can`t wait to hear all the comments from the first beta testers. Hope they`ve got lots of parts in stock to fix it. Frankfort has never known to be of that great of quality.
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On 5/4/2020 at 11:46 AM, mvmojo said:
I believe you can get the springs for the Dillon powder measure from Dillon. Prior to the current bell crank arrangement Dillon used springs and still stock them. That's why the post is still on the powder bar, a throw-back to former design. Before ordering springs, try rubber bands if you want a more positive powder bar move.
Or just buy a Hornady powder measure... just set it and forget it.
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1 minute ago, two shoes said:
I plan on purchasing o-rings to have on hand as a J-I-C. I'll know more when I go back to reloading .40 S&W... I struggled with that caliber a bit, but it was my first go at reloading as well. Always a learning opportunity.
Absolutely my friend. I`ve been reloading for MANY more decades than i care to talk about, so i`m more than happy to share information and also learn from others too!
I always say, i might be really old, but i`m never to old to learn something new. Thats what makes this so much fun. I love to see what others find and come up with.
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14 minutes ago, two shoes said:
Of course!
Keep in mind, this worked great for me, your mileage may vary... One side benefit is that the cases come off of the ezject a lot easier, in fact I'd say 1 in 100 want to hang a little where prior, it was 12-15.
I had the o-rings in my cart on McMaster-Carr, but decided to give this a try.
So the instructions do not illustrate the actual adjustment for this. It mentions ensuring that the detent body is not below flush (extending down)
With mine flush from the factory, when the shell plate advanced, it was very aggressive causing the powder fling. I recessed the detent body just 0.010" to 0.015" up, from the bottom of the shell plate. The ball(s) still hit the dimples, just with not enough force to throw powder out of my pistol cases. I did both detents on the plate.
See pics:
From factory:
Punch it down just a little
an "inth"
TADA! No powder fling!
Thank you for the detailed post. Yup, tried this on a few presses, didnt work out. Though certainly worth trying it before buying anything. The biggest issue i`ve seen, is the inconsistencies of hornady`s manufacturing. The tolerances are all over the place. Thats pretty much a given with any press, brand and color dosent matter. Most $zero to $1,000 presses are mass produced. When they make reloading presses, they are flying out the door faster than chickens lay eggs. There will always be little issues with them here and there. Luckily, there are some pretty smart reloaders out there that cant fix them and make them run really well. I`m happy that you found a solution that works, for you. As in you said, and i totally agree, everybody`s mileage will vary. That is 100% true! This fix of yours works for you, the orings worked out better for me. Tweaking the shell plate is always my first attempt. If that dosent work, it gets an oring. Will the shell plate tweak and/or oring fix every LNL AP out there, nope. Seen a couple along the way that anything that was tried, eventually went back to hornady and got replaced.
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54 minutes ago, Tokarev said:
I have a Pro-Jector as well and agree. They are a darned good old press. I actually prefer the old priming system over the current one. It is nice to be able to glance at the primer as it swings across to make sure it isn't upside down or that the primer tube is empty.
With this all said, the LNL is a solid press. I have one of these as well and have had very little trouble with it. I don't like the powder measure setup so I use a Dillon or a Lee depending on what I load.
With that said, the whole Hornady series is getting a little long in the tooth in my opinion. I would like to see Hornady launch an update. Something with a 6th die station would be nice. Also something that's designed from the jump to run a case feeder would be nice.
I`ll tell ya buddy, i totally agree, that old Pro-Jector is STILL a wonderful press. That ole girl will be going to the grave with me.
I`ve actually not used the primer feeder much anymore on the ole PJ. I resize/deprime, then the cases go to wet tumble. Then i prime the cases off the loader, its faster.
I started doing this awhile back when i found i couldnt no longer get the small parts (primer arm return spring) from hornady any longer for the pro-jector presses.
Last time i talked with the Hornady`s tech department, the guys told me they now have a new priming system available to update the old pro-jector presses.
I`ve got the part number for it somewhere here. But its just as easy to call their tech line, they have the new primer system right on their computors.
I agree, its time hornady got off the poo pot and did something new, something that would make a huge impact. And YES, a 6 station would be the ticket!!!!!!
They seriously need to update BOTH their case feeding system and the bullet feeding system. That design has been run into the ground in my opinion.
I make them all work good, and i have zero issues, but i know that you an i agree that ALL of it is l-o-n-g overdue and surely out dated.
I do like the design of their 3-die swager for the LNL AP, it works 100%. But there again, the swager does wear, and it will eventually need replacing.
I havent worn one out yet, as they still work, but i can tell that i`ll have to replace the swager itself one day soon. We`ll see what happens if i have to replace it.
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This video is just one persons opinion and comparison. Lets keep the butt hurt on a low scale here. The purpose for posting the video was to let people see the operation`s of both presses.
Personally, i`m glad that people make these videos. It gives us all a heads up on the operations. And its nice to see the guy having a side by side comparison.
Videos like this helps new reloaders that are interested in getting into our hobby, with understanding how progressive presses work.
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1 minute ago, Tokarev said:
Ideally a guy would poke around on Ebay and find an old used Pro-Jector. Convert that over just to swage and leave the LNL for loading.
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HAAA, funny you mention that... i do have an old Hornady Pro-jecter press all set up and running perfectly. First progressive press i ever bought. I even still have the original cardboard box it came in brand new. I bought it back in the 80`s. That press is dedicated to running my 45acp load. Has a bullet feeder on it as well. It has loaded thousands of rounds, and still runs flawless. I recently switched over the shell plate spring to a 3mm rubber oring because the shell plate retaining spring has not been available for a very long time. The newer LNL AP press uses a 2.5mm diameter shell plate retaining spring. The LNL AP 2.5mm retaining spring does not work in the older Pro-Jector presses. If i ever get around to it, i`ll post some pictures in here of the ole girl. She still looks like a brand new press, even after all these years and thousands upon thousands of rounds later. And, after all the reloading i`ve done on that ole girl, i`ve only had to adjust the pawls twice. I`ll never understand why so many people dog on the LNL AP hornady presses, they work flawless for me, and i have a few of them.
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4 minutes ago, Tokarev said:
Slick case feeder. But the bucket mod is genuis. Probably way cheap too!
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Its not pretty, or rocket science, but I have less than $5 in the funnel and hose. One less process to handle during swaging. Less is more....lol
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This is what i did to my LNL AP press running the LNL swager die kit for 223. I`ve yet to see any way faster.
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On 4/25/2020 at 2:42 AM, two shoes said:
I was all set to purchase the O-ring then read about slightly resessing both detents on the shell plate. I did that and now have zero issues with powder jumping. I may visit the o-ring later on, but for now, I am loving the LnL AP!
Care to share your exact method in how you accomplished that task?
For some people that have MANY shell plates, the oring is the easier way to go.
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ALL brands have their good & bad issues and problems, and you`re gonna find that out real quick, so buy what you think you`ll be happy with and git to reloadin!
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On 4/14/2020 at 4:38 PM, Abominator said:
I just use the liquid lanolin as Vince suggested. I just lube the o-ring after every reloading session when I clean and re-lube the shell/sub plate. I did a run of 1000k 9mm and 800 40 S&W without having to stop during the runs and re-lube. I bet you could go longer but my arms were tired!!!
Thats what i`m seeing here with all my LNL`s as well. No stoppages, no powder jumping during cycling. Presses have been running smooth as silk.
So far i`ve gone well over 2,500 rounds, havent broke an oring yet. Still running the first orings i bought/installed, too.
I`m gonna keep running them until the oring`s break. I`ll keep tallying the round count as i go.
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6 hours ago, xrayfk05 said:
I tried the O ring a few days back and it worked like crap, I lubed it with regular oil and the shellplate was hard to advance and cases would not eject.
Just tried it again but lubed with liquid lanoline and now it looks to work great, I have only tried a few cases so I have no idea about the longevity or how often to re-lube.
This was with a #16 (.223) shell plate btw. As long as you are not sizing you can use the 9mm shell plate for .223 just as well btw.
This is why i`ve been speaking of using the lanolin to lube the oring, it just works better.
Be careful using a 9mm (#8 hornady lnl) shell plate for a 223. The 223 cases will be very sloppy fitting.
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55 minutes ago, dave33 said:
I look forward to your results with the newer shell plate. Maybe you will discover something I’m not seeing.I`ll post it here for you if i do. Thanks Dave
vince
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1 hour ago, dave33 said:
Converted my press over to 9mm this afternoon and ran a quick 100 with the o ring. Worked smooth as butter, no priming, case feeding/ejection problems, and the priming was timed perfectly as usual. Didn’t shake a grain of powder either.
At this point I’m glad I tried it and will continue to use it for pistol. Don’t know that I’m gonna put much more effort into the rifle cases but who knows. Maybe someone else can give it a try and report back.
Excellent Dave! Soon as the gun shops start to reopen, i`m going to go pick up one of the latest 223 LNL AP shell plates and try it and see what happens compared to my worn one.
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5 hours ago, dave33 said:
I did put a light coat of lube on it, what exact lube do you use?i would love to make this work as it does smooth out the process and eliminates powder shake entirely. Then again I don’t load .223 that often, usually a couple large runs a year so maybe the o ring will be a good pistol case fix. I don’t get much powder shake with pistols but there is some once in a while with certain powders.
Hi Dave,
actually i`ve been using straight lanolin right from the bottle to lube my orings on all my presses.
Yeah it works great for pistol cases. Like you, i dont load that many rifle cases on a progressive that often either. More of my rifle loading is geared more towards bench rest kind of loading, so i usually rely mainly on my single stage presses for those loads.
I`ve also noticed that the hornady shell plates are inconsistent... meaning their tolerances plate to plate are kinda crappy. This will mess with and dictate how much the case will move or not move within the shell plate. There again, the 223 cases are kind of small too. I dont have any problems with mine, yet, they seem to rotate ok for me. There again, your shell plate might be a tad tighter than mine is too. I tried some 22-250 and 308, those seem to rotate perfectly fine for me.
Maybe you might try a little flitz polish on your shell plate where the cases slide in. I`ve done that with a dremel tool with great success to help the cases move easier. Dont polish it hard though. Just a light polish will help it alot. It has for me anyway. Also i would give the sub-plate a slight polish... it is effective. Carnuba wax it when done.
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On 4/5/2020 at 10:24 PM, Tunachaser said:
I have, it works with both 9 MM and 38 SPL.
Awesome!
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7 hours ago, dave33 said:
Ok, so I’ve now had a chance to load ammo using the o ring and I can say for sure I don’t recommend using the o ring with rifle brass, or at least .223 rifle brass. It did completely eliminate powder fling with my current load but the problem comes from the o ring holding the brass too well.
The o ring keeps the brass in the shell plate just slightly longer than the Hornady spring does and it jams the case feeder almost every time. I did adjust timing as was advised after installing the o ring but I found I can’t slow the advance of the shell plate enough to not interfere with the case feeding without screwing up the primer timing. Crushed 3 primers sideways trying to get it right, something I’ve never done on my LNL before.
At this point I’m gonna live with the slight powder sling using the Hornady spring. I do plan to try the o ring again when I switch back to loading pistol ammo, hoping I get better results.
Dave, are you running the oring dry...?
The great primer shortage of 2020 is about to end soon !!!
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Well folks, here we still are....... sure would like to find powder & primers someday