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    Training for Competitive Shooting

    in Physical Training

    Posted

    I have noticed a significant improvment in my ability to manuever through a course of fire in USPSA since I started to take my physical fitness more seriously. Howvever, I am always looking to improve my movement and was wondering what everyone was doing to train for compettive shooting. I am not talking about gun handling and entries/exists, but more physical fitness to have more explosive movements. Thanks.

    Scoop draw for competitive shooting

    in Handgun Techniques

    Posted

    On 4/18/2019 at 7:05 PM, rowdyb said:

    when you are making ready and about to the end of the process

    • holster the gun and leave that hand on it.
    • take your other hand and place with where you index it to on the draw. usually somewhere between the belt and bottom of your breast bone (zyphoid)
    • confirm the feeling of being in these two positions while reminding yourself of positive things, controlling your breathing and remembering to grip strong
    • as your support hand moves to naturally at your side or whatever the start it, take your thumb over the beaver tail, keep your gun hand reasonably close to the position it was in as you gripped the gun. your hand will almost look like you are making a child like toy gun
    • slide your gun hand down the back of your holster with your middle finger dragging along its (the holster's) back side, to the start position.
    • when the beep goes off reverse this process. support hand goes rapidly to its index spot to eventually meet the other hand and gun, forming the strong grip asap
    • gun hand comes up, pinky and ring and middle finger curled up, finger indexes out straigh (making the gun shape) and thumb out of the way.
    • as those three fingers hit the front strap of the gun, they start lifting it out of the holster.
    • aaaasssss you're lifting the gun your thumb goes over the beaver tail and you confirm the grip with that hand. if you do a pause with your gun hand as it touches to get your thumb in position you are losing much of the time advantage of this draw.
    • two hands meet as normal as you make a full grip, extend to fire and get the appropriate sight alignment and picture.

    Thank you. This is helpful. The point about keeping the thumb out of the way and until you have scooped up with the fingers is the key. The thumb kept wanting to creep under the beaver tail as I was scooping which is throwing me off. Now I will practice and practice and see if I can consistently get the grip I get with my standard draw. 

    Scoop draw for competitive shooting

    in Handgun Techniques

    Posted · Edited by JoeSoop

    46 minutes ago, Hi-Power Jack said:

    I took a course with Max Michel in 2007, and he suggested

    that the way you are currently drawing is superior to the "scoop draw".

     

    Don't know if he's since changed his mind - but he preferred attaining

    that grip first, and drawing 2nd.

     

    Don't forget, it's NOT only how fast is your FIRST shot, but also your

    SECOND shot - if you get off a very fast first shot, but then have to

    adjust your grip for the 2nd shot, you've lost time or an A.

    I agree with your assessment and I would practice until I could do it with the same grip I get (consistently) that I do with my current draw, if I could not get that grip consistently, I would ditch it altogether. There are VERY good USPSA shooters that do the scoop draw and are successful with. Like anything I think it’s just a matter of repetition. Not sure, but I want to try and find out 😎

    Scoop draw for competitive shooting

    in Handgun Techniques

    Posted

    I have a decent (standard) draw in USPSA in which I push my hand down and index my thump under the beaver tail before drawing the gun. I have been watching guys beat me off the line at tournaments utilizing a scoop draw and I want  to learn. I have searched and cannot find any good training videos or images on teaching the scoop draw out of a competitor OWB holster (I found the video by Robin Brown doing scoop from concealment, not what I am looking for). Anyone come across anything for this? Thanks.

    Big giant question mark above my head

    in Tips for Improvement

    Posted

    Good advice from others above. It sounds like something is definitely not translating (especially on the draws) from dry to live fire. It could be sight picture confidence. For instance, at home doing dry fire we can “cheat” a little since there is penalty if our sight picture was not perfect when we pulled the trigger. At a match, the result becomes clear right away and there are consequences (misses and lower points). So, are you really a .6-.8 draw with a good sight picture and a solid trigger squeeze? You might be, but the live fire says otherwise. Be realistic with your expectations.

     

    Also, are you reloading empty mags at home during dry fire? This actually makes a difference versus full ones during live fire. DO NOT go using live rounds at home, but maybe load up dummy rounds/snap caps when practicing at home to simulate full weight mags.

     

    I am a .75-.9 draw in dry fire and .75-1.1 in match fire (from 7-10yards). It just takes a lot of live practice as well as dry firing like you would live fire (good sight picture and trigger pull).

     

    Good luck and keep at it! I am sure training with a GM will help a lot!

     

     

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