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I'm that shooter. I have 2 original 1301 Comps (pre SN move and w/o extended factory lifter) and picked up a Comp Pro over the winter.
The Pro CONSTANTLY ghost loaded when quad loading or even when my GF loads 2's. I tried a new shell latch and many other things. I surmise that the largest factor at play is the new lifter. With it being held down the shell release is not only more exposed and prone to being hit, but it is also less supported and and be pressed straight down and will trigger a shell to kick out onto the lifter. I tried contracting Beretta but they basically told to me to get lost and send my gun to a Smith on my own dollar because they aren't accepting guns due to COVID. I purchases a new original extended lifter and swapped that into the pro. Gun works fine now.
Second issue is the new handguard. It doesn't fit snuggly to the receiver at all. I tried tapering and shaping in down with a Dremel but it still doesn't fit great and constantly knocked shells out of my hand when quad loading.
At the end of it I kept on shooting my Original Comp due to the issues I was having and once my Pro was finally shorted out my GF started using that. She prefers a shorter stock, so off came the Mega Kick Off + and on went an original stock.
Also I hate the new bolt release design, so I'll probably swap that out for an original at some point.
I've been using 1301's for about 6 seasons now, honestly sage yourself the money and just get one of the updated Origional Comps and swap in/out parts to your liking is my suggestion. Unless you absolutely have to have the blue gun...
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Well 3 gun is expensive, by nature, and everyone is trying to cut corners and save cost. Everyone. Further this is a thread with BUDGET in the title, so yes, apparently we are considering cost here.
A 1301 comes more set up than an m4 out of the box for much cheaper. The aftermarket isn't there for m4's either. Last time I looked there were hardly any tubes available let alone any that actually got you to around 12rds again for a relatively reasonable price.
Now the issue of Benneli vs Beretta as a whole is an entire different discussion. The m2 is wildly popular, for many reasons. I actually have both an m2, a 1301, and a 1301 comp pro. But again that's a completely different topic than what's been asked here.
As for my friends, largely they are civilians, some are Marines, and others serve in different branches/departments, which is unimportant. What is important is that they are all experienced shooters who looked at all the options and made their own choices, all of them again not choosing the m4.
Lastly my opinion of these guns is mine alone, I was simply sharing with you that I have many years of experience both in competition and military service with ALL of the guns I've mentioned. I've made my choice for sport as have many others and largely it isn't the benelli m4. My opinion and the opinion of others is only worth what you make it but whoever told you that the m4 is the choice for action shooting hasn't used one either very much or very seriously.
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I've been shooting 3 Gun for years all over the country and I've not seen more that 3 or 4 total m4's at all of those matches combined, and always in the hands of someone newer/less competitive.
Meanwhile, you see 1301's all over at nearly every match with many of them being used by the better shooters at a match. And they're a fraction of the cost of m4's...
Furthermore as a Marine I have lots of experience with Benelli m1014's and yet myself and nearly all of my friends use Berettas.
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On 11/27/2019 at 10:33 PM, Blockader said:
Who cut your port?
...or is that a home done job?
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16 hours ago, Nolan said:
Thanks! What's the advantage of the new latch?
Nolan
The new latch doesn't allow you to use it to release shells from the tube. Some people hated the old latch and went so far as to call it a 'fatal flaw.' I've been shooting a 1301 for 4 very busy years now and never accidentally released shells, I actually like the feature of the original latch as it makes unloading after a stage a breeze.
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Well I've had my 1301 Comp Pro for about a week now. I put a few rounds though it, but just plinking as it still needs it's port cut. Which brings me to the fact the loading port is about the same as the original Comp, but it does seem a bit more open, definitely needs work though. I have a mega kick off stock on my 1301 comp so the pro with it's plus stock feels about the same. Although the pro did come with a 1" spacer installed on it's kick off plus stock so out of the box it's aggressively long.
I can also confirm that the new comp pro trigger group fits in the original 1301 if you want to go that route. I haven't stripped them completely apart to check individual parts though.
If anyone has any specific questions about how the pro is or how it compares to the original I'm happy to field them.
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I'll be picking my Pro up sometime this week. I have two original 1301 C's I can compare against that I've been shooting for the past 4 years. I'll likely get it out on the range this coming weekend and will report back.
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Any updates at all? Round counts? Buckshot required? Slings? Schedule/squad matrix? We're about 8 days out and haven't heard anything. Need to start prepping.
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10 hours ago, 12glocks said:
I have tried the Breda and I run an M2. If you are competitive, I really believe the comfortech stock does mitigate recoil somewhat decreasing your splits. I think the shim capability of the M2 is a plus and I don't know if Breda offers that feature. Probably more parts for the M2. Four years ago I choose between the 1301 and the M2 and I still think very highly of Beretta. I heard the port of the Benelli, when enhanced is superior to the 1301 for loading, don't know about the Breda but it looks like a Benelli. I think the 1301 would be softer shooting than an M2. I believe you can reverse the safety on the M2 but not sure. Our match loads are 1 oz at 1180-1200 FPS, pretty soft.
Hope this helps I have only tried the Breda and 1301 and I know your not asking about the 1301 per se but for comparison sake...
Thanks for your input. I've been shooting 3 Gun for about 4 years now. Most of that time with a 1301, so I've got plenty of experience just none of it with inertia guns. I'd agree the biggest thing pulling me towards the m2 over the breda is the comfort tech and the ability to set it up a little more personally.
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I've recently found myself in need of a new scatter gat due to an unfortunate happenstance.
Luckily though I also picked up a Roth Performance receiver off a prize table the same day I broke my current shotgun. I'm just trying to decide between building up an m2 or a b12i with the new receiver so I'm looking for pros and cons from people who have experience with both.
Up to now all I've ever shot is a 1301 so I have no experience with either gun. It's also worth mentioning that I'm a lefty so to set up a m2 it would cost a bit more for stock parts to set it up for me.
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14 hours ago, mveto said:
This shotgun is on my list for my next shotgun. The question I have is for those who have opened up the loading port have you noticed any wear in the receiver that would effect the longevity of the 1301? The reason I ask is I was browsing rci/xrail sight and they state that’s opening the loading port in this gun will decrease the longevity. Just wondering if there is any first person account of this. Thanks
Mine was opened up by RCI almost two years ago. Only cleaned once a year, thousands upon thousands of rounds through it. Still looks great, can't really recall any malfunctions in the past two years either.
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11 hours ago, MoonJeong said:
Thanks - do you know if that's the case for the barrels also?
No clue on the barrels. But I'm tempted to say yes since the 1301 us really just a spec'd out 400. Most every other part is interchangeable so it would stand to reason that the barrels would be too.
Only thing to consider is the barrels are so astronomically expensive that at that point you might as well just buy a different gun for a few more dollars...
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On 8/31/2018 at 10:23 PM, MoonJeong said:
Love my 1301. Not a single malfunction. Fast and no recoil. And tales any ammo. The rib is nice and high too. Wish they sold other stocks for it, like nice wood.
Any A400 stock should mount up just fine. There are tons of A300 stocks as well.
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42 minutes ago, TonytheTiger said:
I've been in situations where the extra 6 rounds from a TTI base has allowed me to change mags in a much better place than a standard 40 would have. Just a thought.
Another option that I'd like to test for prone stability in the near future:http://taylorfreelance.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=27&products_id=231
I mentioned those baseplates in my first post on this thread. I have two sets of them, they're great. Alot cheaper than some of the other options out there and much better for prone than any of the other extensions I've seen or used. Again, also usefull to coupling 20rd mags as most other options don't work on mags that short.
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4 minutes ago, poortrader said:
It's all about the coolness factor. I have TTI bases on my 30 rounders. Most matches around my area have adopted the former FNH 3G rules that state no more than 30 rounds per magazine regardless of length. The base makes reloading easier when there is a round in the chamber because the base adds +5 to capacity. I don't know anything about the bases the OP posted but they look nice.
I get that a magazine with less tension on the top round is easier to seat, but with that in mind why not just use a 40rd mag loaded to 30 if length isn't a concern. It's a much cheaper option... -
9 hours ago, KennyP said:
I’d say, if you don’t care about forward cocking serrations, an undercut trigger guard, front strap checkering, or a .250 beaver tail radius, go with the RO. I do care about that stuff, because I’ve shot 1911s for a long time and have strong preferences.
That's my dilemma, I also care about some of those things. This would be my 5th 1911 and I've very much grown to like an undercut frame and front strap checkering, which is also the hardest things to add on after the fact...
Hence why the Gold Cup Trophy and PM9 have caught my eye. -
Just my opinion here, but there is really no need for magazine extensions for the rifle, especially ones of that shape and style. There's two parts to that thought process.
First, as many matches as I've shot I can't recall a time that I needed more than 40rds but less than 45rds. Meaning that a baseplate wouldn't have save me a reload where as a d60 which is legal in most tac ops rule sets would have. Normal pmags are very cheap, around $15 normally which is substantially less than most baseplates. Just buy one or two of each 20, 30, and 40rd mags and save the rest that you would have spend on baseplates for a d60.Second, baseplate that are metal and smooth like that are slick. Furthermore the curvature of that mag makes it so that you get very little contact when you go prone, and as already discussed the contact you get offers less than ideal grip. To correct that angle for going prone I use magpul ranger plates, they are like $3/each. Ranger plates correct that angle issue and are made of rubber so you get good grip when you go prone with them, they offer a much more stable position. The other option that accomplishes the same goal if you feel like you still NEED extensions is the new taylor freelance tmag baseplates. They are the same angle as ranger plates, add 2rds to the mag, have actual grip on the bottom, and can be used to couple mags together. I use a set of them on my 20rd mags since most conventional couplers don't work on 20rd mags.
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Have you considered a Knapp front sight? It's a stick on so it doesn't matter I'd your rib is already tapped or not. I've used one fore over a year now and have yet to knock it loose. Super bright and only visible when you mount the gun correctly. I'm a big fan.
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Thanks for the suggestions!
By no means am I new to gun games or 19/2011's, I have been at this for a while and already have an Atlas Titan for Limited and 3 Gun play. I love that gun but I think SS would be fun to keep things fresh. I think the Colt or DW would be about the most I'd want to spend on the gun since this is secondary to my main focus which is 3 gun. Obviously I know what ever I get in the end I want fiber front/black rear sights, good grips, magwell, and ambi safety. So the more of those things that are included the better, I don't have unlimited time to fiddle with another gun and get it set up. I especially have no patience or time for a gun that doesn't run out of the box so factory reliability is a must.
The DW PM9 looks interesting, although it's lacking magwell and grips and is pretty expensive especially for not being done. The RO Elite Target peaked my interest early, but there's not much out about it and it would take the most work in my estimation. The Sig Max is something I'd also considered I've yet to actually see anyone using them though, that and unfortunately the safety/trigger/sights aren't really up to my liking so it would also take some work. If I were throwing out the Colt right now it would appear that the PM9 is the front runner.
All that being said a RI is definitely not what I'm looking for, but I appreciate the input and am glad to hear that they are working out for some of the rest of you. -
Soliciting suggestions and opinions on which 9mm 1911 to buy for gun games. I'd primarily be shooting USPSA SS and steel challenge with this gun. I'm left handed so an ambi safety would be nice. Not super crazy about doing a ton of work on it myself after getting it, so the more ready to run the better in my opinion.
I've looked into offerings from Sig, Springfield, and a few others. At this time the front runner in my books seems to be the newly refreshed Colt Gold Cup Trophy, all it would need after purchasing would be an ambi safety from what I can tell. If I've missed something, or you think there's something else worth considering feel free to share! -
The release on the MG series is great. If you set them up properly the retention is more than adequate. I almost never drop any shells unless I directly run them into something which will cause any caddy to drop its payload early. Running at full speed, jumping out of trucks, going prone, no problem.
I couldn't really quadload well if at all before I tried the taccom MG series because the pull was too stiff and the shells always got cockeyed in my hand on the draw. I use nothing but taccom MG caddies and have for the past two years. I absolutely love mine. -
Avoid the M3K. Buy a m3000 and do the work yourself. I've yet to see an m3k run well, including the one I bought. On the other hand m3000's almost always run, I rarely ever see them having fits of any sorts. It seems like what ever Stoeger did to keep the price down on the m3k and give you the 'features' absolutely killed that gun. Port work isn't hard, and you still need to do it on a m3k so doing it to a 3000 is really not much different.
m3000's can be had for a shockingly low price right now which leaves you plenty of money to build it out exactly as you like. -
Xs. All the reasons mentioned above.
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2 minutes ago, blacklab said:
Just going by the book.
That may be a part of your issue. You have to Chrono. Book data is often taken with a 20"+ barrel. Ioaded some 55gr ammo that the book said would be about 3000FPS, clocked in at less than 2700 FPS out of my 16" barrel. Published data in that instance was gathered using a 24" barrel at a different elevation.
Beretta 1301 Comp Pro - Thoughts?
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Either I am misunderstanding your post, or you are mine. Both shells go fully into the magazine tube, and only the second (last) shell into the tube is then released into the receiver onto the lifter to be fed. It is not an issue of the shells being completely released as if you fully released the shell catch (al la the gen 1 bolt release.) As I stated in my original post the issue seems to be that you can activate the shell catch by pressing down on it, usually happens as a byproducts of quad/twin loading.
I'm not the first to have this issue, nor am I new to the platform. I've been using 1301's extensively for the last 6 years. I tried swapping out a multitude of different springs and parts to get my comp pro to stop ghost loading with no changes to the issue. When I put the comp pro trigger group with the new lifter into my original 1301 the ghost loads followed. As soon as I put an original (non hold down) lifter into the pro the issue stopped completely.
Perhaps if you aren't using this shotgun for gun games, this is a non issue. But if that's the case I'm not sure why you would buy the model specifically designed for competition instead of on of the several geared more towards the tactically inclined crowed like the 1301 Tac of the new Langdon model.