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  1. DFW, and I'm not the only one here that would take a class.

     

    Ben probably COULD teach a PCC class, I just don't think he'd be down with it.  Getting quickly into firing positions from a sprint, shoulder transitions for tight corners, shooting on the move, stage planning when you can hit pretty much anything you can see... there's a lot of differences.  

     

    You can honestly pick up most of that from videos and then be honest about practicing it, but there's a lot of value having someone there for a couple of days yelling at you to do it.  That's one of the big values of Ben's class - he's tireless and will push you for two solid DAYS, and your ass will move no matter how weary you are.  He's just that way.  

  2. Thanks for the input!  I should mention I was thinking of starting with the MPX pistol to save a bit of up-front cost since I would be replacing the barrel with the Taccom ULW 16" and the brace with a full stock.  I wouldn't SBR it.

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    The Sig shoots pretty soft but my splits are about the same as the AR9mm

    I've heard this now from several folks, and it surprises me.  I'd think a softer recoil impulse would naturally result in faster splits.  I loved the soft recoil impulse on the MPX carbine I ran through a course, but if it's not going to result in any appreciable difference in the timer at the end then that takes away a major reason to spend the $$ on the MPX platform. 

     

    Though I'm still left with... the left.  I shoot left handed (one of the cursed cross-dominate folks), and the MPX, like my Tavor, is 100% lefty friendly.  Not so much the AR9 family.  Even with a Troy ambi mag release on my JP-15, I find it somewhat awkward to reload compared to the X95.  Reliability also seems iffy on both the MPX and AR9 platforms... I've won more than few stages when guys faster than me had to clear a malfunction, while my X95 just runs and runs. 

  3. Question for MPX owners who've also shot AR9s in comp (USPSA mainly, though I'll admit to shooting the new provisional PCC division in IDPA as well):  If you had to do it all over again, would you stay with the MPX system or go AR9?

     

    I've been shooting an X95 since March and having a blast with it - over a dozen matches and one major.  The gun has some major benefits, with reliability being the biggest.  I've had one jam in 4 cases of ammo and two charging handle reaches, where most other guns seem to be plagued with problems every other match.  I'd assumed the bullpup design would be a major benefit for the tight courses we seem to get here in the DFW area clubs - lots of hard angles, low portals, and other tricky shooting positions, and it may be... but after watching many other PCC shooters and running a couple of courses with a mates MPX last month, I've come to the conclusion that the sacrifice in transition speed with the bullpup is too much of a negative.  It simply takes longer to settle the dot when the weapon is tucked in tight to your torso than when you can drive the barrel with a hand way out away from your body, and it's harder to stay accurate when trying to go fast or shooting on the move.  The mechanical advantage of the hand clamped way out on a full length gun seems decisively better.  The X95 is also even heavier than the already heavy MPX.

     

    I'm intrigued by the idea of building out a pistol MPX with the ULW Taccom barrel.  One other thing the X95 is amazing for is left-handed shooters, and the MPX delivers here just as well.  Not so much in the AR9 world.  OTOH, building out a light-weight AR9 is pretty trivial with quality parts available from dozens of vendors.  The Lead Star skeletonized upper/lower combo in particular looks great, coupled with an ULW barrel.  It'll likely have a lot more jump, though, compared to the .22 feeling MPX.  The MPX build would cost quite a bit more, but that's a pretty trivial distinction given the cost of all the ammo either gun will burn through in it's life. 

     

    I know I'm posting in an MPX thread so the response will be somewhat biased, but I figured if there were MPX owners who didn't think the platform was worth the quirks compared to the AR9 they'd speak up here.  Sticking with the X95 through next January at least when it's bonus time, but then I'm going to try something different.  Just not sure what.  I'm at best a low B shooter with the X95, and while most of that is me (it's always the injun, not the bow) I did get a significant bump in time shooting the same course with a full length carbine than I did the X95, based entirely on how quickly and confidently I could transition targets.

  4. Also eagerly awaiting someone to offer a course in Texas.  Ben Stoeger's class was essential to get me going in the right direction for pistol, but there's a lot of issues in PCC that would really benefit from direct instruction from someone who really knows what they're doing - getting into and out of firing positions seems to be one of the big ones for me.

     

    Yes, you can watch videos all day long, and shoot dozens of matches.  I've done both.  The problem is translating video to practice, and a typical 5 stage local club match gives you about 100 seconds of training.  Plus I have a bad feeling I'm just baking in bad habits.  

     

    Having someone of Ben's caliber yelling at you over an intensive 2 day course when you're doing it wrong would be better than a hundred matches.  Lots of money being waved around here in PCC world for someone to step up and take...

  5. On ‎5‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 9:31 AM, Shepard said:

    Interesting results. For the sake of conversation my observations are a little different. We average  50-60 shooters with 4-5 M/GM depending on who shows up. Typically the same people are in the hunt for HOA regardless of what they shoot. At this weekend's match, out of 68 shooters PCC finished: 

    2nd 

    23rd

    31

    32

    33

    62nd

    63rd

    In my humble opinion the only platform with a clear advantage is Open. Is has the dot and scores major. The PCC helps me when the shots are 20+ yards for stability and trigger control. Inside of 20 yards the bonus, for me, is the dot not the rifle platform. Its 3 feet long, 8lbs loaded, and scores minor.  And, the majority of targets are well inside 20 yards.  As far as mag changes, I really think it depends on skill level not platform. Of the A and better shooters I know they don't really consider mag changes an issue as long as there is a little movement between positions.  So the question is why, on the average USPSA stage, does the PCC help some people and hinder others? Aside from the dot which Open and Carry Optics have I think the PCC helps some people with their trigger control.  Of course, as trigger control skill increases the benefit of the rifle platform lessens and some of its negatives creep in.

    I hope my comments are not perceived as argumentative. I really enjoy the PCC vs ______ conversation and intend it to be light-hearted.   

     

    Great topic, and my experience here in the Dallas area mirrors Shepards, but without that 2nd place finish on the list.  USPSA is VERY competitive here, with 70 shooters showing up to most matches, and there's always 6-7 GMs, and another 10 Masters.  I've only seen PCC shoot Master level on a couple of occasions, and the GMs with open pistols blow us away.  Note that the stage designers around here absolutely LOVE tight, tricky stages with lots of ports, hard angles, and tons of memory games (many shooting positions covering multiple targets... did I already shoot that one???).  Very few shots are all that long.  We do have plate racks and the occasional Texas Star, where the PCC really helps, but lots of transitions and tight stage designs make maneuvering the PCC quite a bit more challenging than the pistol.

     

    Regarding the classifiers:  I absolutely think it needs to be re-thought for PCC.  I'm somewhat new to USPSA in general (shooting for 18 months), and very new to PCC (just started in February), but the static classifiers don't reflect stage skills.  I've shot 5 classifiers and have a B rating, but I don't have the movement skills of that level, particularly entering shooting positions, that others have.  Anyone can stand still and shoot A's all day with a rifle and red dot... the wins and losses come in movement. 

  6. If you haven't bought it yet CZ Custom will sell the complete gun to you with the upgraded trigger installed for $1300, IIRC.  That makes the trigger upgrade pretty expensive indeed, but you get an impeccable installation job.  I've shot the CZ Custom carbine w/trigger installed, and it's every bit as nice as the Geiselle I'm running in my X95, or the JP Fire Control in my JP.  Really makes the gun usable for quick, controlled double-taps.

     

    Aftermarket support will be an issue if it doesn't shoot how you like.  Unlike an AR, it is what it is.  Build quality for the price is pretty outstanding, IMHO, though.

  7. Fairly new to the PCC game.  Just started shooting it back in February, where the past year I was only shooting Production (C rating) and a lot of IDPA.  I'm trying to figure out how to train to sacrifice accuracy for speed.  Here is my problem in a nutshell, taken from this last weekend's USPSA match Practiscore result for the PCC category.  Top 5 finishers listed, redacted for names and member numbers:

    Name
    %
    Points
    Time
    % possible
    Div
    Class
    A
    B
    C
    D
    M
    NPM
    NS
    1 -XXXX 100 670.9166 110.8 95.85 PCC U 109 3 25 2 1 0 0
    2-XXXX 88.89 596.3491 110.72 85.19 PCC C 93 2 35 7 3 0 0
    3-XXXX 88.43 593.2599 110.45 84.75 PCC C 89 1 42 7 1 0 1
    4-Me 80.71 541.522 147.47 77.36 PCC U 123 11 4 2 0 0 0
    5-XXXX 76.96 516.3681 153.95 73.77 PCC U 122 4 13 0 1 0 0

     

    As you can see, I'm getting killed in the overall time department, but shooting very accurately.  That accuracy and $.50 will get me a cup of mediocre coffee.  There are a couple of good threads on this first page about transitions that I'm sure I'm slow at, but is there any recommended drills to get my mind off of accuracy and into getting in and out of positions faster with a PCC?  The sad thing is that all three ahead of me bunched up at 110 seconds are all Super Senior category folks and I run faster than they do. 

     

    There's a ton of books / vids / classes on getting faster with a pistol, but not much yet for speed with a carbine.  Every rifle training class is for prepping, not gaming.

     

  8. Tavor X95 9mm.  115, 124, 147... subsonic, supersonic... can't find anything it doesn't run.  Just did my 4th USPSA PCC match with it yesterday, and along with 2 outlaw defensive carbine matches and a couple hundred rounds of range shots testing / sighting in I've got nearly 2 cases of ammo down the barrel in a little under 2 months. 

     

    I've reached for the charging handle *once*, and that was in the last stage of a 7 stage match right after I got it.  No other PCCs at any of the matches have ran as well.  Even the GMR-13s have had multiple FTEs, and the MPXs have been a reliability joke.  Won't even comment on the two folks who keep showing up with Keltecs. 

     

    I'm amazed I haven't seen more of them in competition.  They're expensive, but even with an aftermarket trigger (Geissele SS) they're not as pricy as the Wilson, and it's getting beat on badly in reviews for reliability as well.  Haven't seen a Wilson in person at any of the matches I've been to, however, so that's pure secondhand on my part.

     

    I just need to figure out how to get faster.  In a way it would be better if it jammed more often... I could blame my mid-pack showings on the gun.  Unfortunately it's all on me... sacrificing too much speed for accuracy, and that loses stages time after time.

  9. On a related note... I thought I saw either here or on the PCC FB group that someone was doing a technical review of PCC brakes to see if they actually did anything, and if so which ones were most effective.  I can't find anything on it now.  Has any sort of review like that taken place?  There was a great review of AR comps with .223 rounds done not long ago with a rifle mounted to a sled to objectively judge comp performance.  I'd love to see something similar done with PCC comps to see if they really are anything other than aesthetics. 

  10. Not hard at all, and I'm in the same poultry camp as you are when it comes to taking apart new, unfamiliar, and expensive toys.  I know ARs very well, so dealing with a totally new design was intimidating.  There's an excellent 15 minute or so video on youtube (can't get to it at work or I'd link it... I'll look it up at home tonight) that perfectly details how to put it in.  He gives tons of commentary and details on how the parts work together while he talks, and he says, repeatedly, that all his commentary makes it sound way harder than it is.

     

    He is not kidding.

     

    It's a very simple trigger blade mechanism, and it'll be intuitively obvious how to replace it the instant you lay eyes on it.  Literally takes seconds.  Don't forget to take the little pin it comes with off and re-seat it through the hole in the pivot pin after the trigger is in to keep it from moving off-center... he goes over this multiple times.  The only issue is adjusting it, as you can't get much of a feel for how much travel is left with the gun sitting in pieces on your bench.  You've got to re-assemble it, test it, and possibly break it down again to continue fiddling with the set screw if you don't like the travel you left it with.  Make sure you get the barrel wrench, or devise a solid alternative. 

     

    I'd rank the LB mod way above the much more expensive SS trigger pack in terms of impact on feel.  Taking out all the creep with the LB really shows the 5lb pull of the stock trigger.  The SS pack takes that down to a super-crisp 3.5#, but it's subtle compared to installing the LB.  I'm not good enough with it for that 1.5# difference to have any accuracy or split time impact. 

  11. I ordered 4 IWI mags with the gun, so I haven't tried any non-factory magazines.  I'd bet money IWI is just OEM'ing them from Metalform, though, as they're identical right down to the same color follower.  Just the IWI stamp in the base.  The Taylor Freelance extension has worked perfectly, and I just ordered two more so I can spread the usage load around.  Much better and heavier than the TT extenders I use for my Glock mags, which tend to come apart about a third of the time I drop the mag if it's on a hard surface. 

     

    The whole exercise is expensive, as you wind up with about a $2K gun if you put the Geissele trigger components and curved buttplate in, sans optic.  Several hundred more than the GMR-15, though still a bit cheaper than the Wilson.  Building your own way cheaper still, of course.  But the bullpup shape and very tight center of gravity make it way easier (IMHO) to run a tight, portal-filled course of fire with, and I'll keep praising the reliability till the gun stops being reliable.  Ran another 200 round steel match last night with it, and not a single issue.  And until there's more left AR9 lower options out there it's still way better (IMHO again) for a lefty. 

  12. On ‎11‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 0:29 PM, Darqusoull13 said:

    I'd sign up now if PCC was a division. Not sure if PCC isn't available, might look the week before and play it by ear. 

    Was all set to go until I saw that there wasn't a PCC division.  The carbine has taken over my soul... not paying major match fees to shoot pistol.  Cowtown and Area 4 both have PCC divisions. 

     

    Oh well. 

  13. One month comp report:

     

    I've played three straight weekend USPSA matches and two weeknight defensive carbine matches with the X95, and I can't get enough.  I've only shot my G34 in weeknight IDPA matches, and I've switched my Cowtown registration from Production to PCC.  The fun factor is just off the scale.  I love this game in all it's iterations, don't get me wrong, but I'm almost giddy on match days when I know I can shoot the bullpup.  In the month I've played I've put right at 1200 rounds downrange, mostly comp shots but also a bit of range time sighting in and testing new components as they went on. 

     

    Positives:

    - Reliability.  This is the main reason I wanted to make this post.  PCC is getting more popular in the gaming scene here, and every match has a collection of AR9s, Scorps, and MPXs showing up, and even a few poor souls with Keltecs..  AR9s tend to be mostly JP GMR-13s, with a few hand built models.  Haven't seen the Wilson yet, though one guy I shoot with a lot has one on order.  EVERY ONE OF THESE GUNS HAS JAMMED IN EVERY MATCH.  *All of them.*  Some more than others, but I've either watched or asked every shooter I've seen at the matches how many times they've reached for their charging handles.  The GMRs and MPX's have had (by my very subjective observation) the most reaches for the handles.  Scorps seem to fair better.  Best not to talk about the Keltec.  In 5 matches and over a case downrange (cheap factory Speer subsonic 147) I've reached for the handle exactly *ONCE*.  If I was a better / faster shooter (I run slow), that fact alone would be decisive in terms of placement.  I simply can't say enough about the reliability of the X95. 

     

    - Geissele trigger.  There seems to be a lot of experimentation and issues with AR triggers with a blowback bolt.  The Geissele SS and LB components, while pricey, put the feel almost identical to my JP-15 with the 3.5 lb JPFC trigger.  Reliability has been perfect.  At last week's USPSA match, a GMR 13 went down with a broken JPFC trigger.  I'm a big JP fan and this shocked me. 

     

    - Maneuverability.  This depends on the stage designer.  One match was wide-open and it didn't matter much, but the other two had a bunch of portal stages, and the bullpup shined here.

     

    - Reload speed.  With a 42 round TF extended mag, this is only an issue on classifier stages with a mandatory reload.  The flared magwell the gun comes with helps a TON, and the mags seat cleanly as long as you use a good bit of force.  After about 100 reps, the movement feels fast and simple.  I was never all that fast with an AR pattern reload, so I didn't have much muscle memory to unlearn.

     

    Negatives:

     

    - Optic height over bore.  This is something you really have to note with tight shots, as it's more extreme than any of the other platforms.  One of the stages in the first USPSA match I did had a barrel you had to crouch to shoot three poppers through, with one being a very tight angle.  Took the first two down, flicked the dot (MRO) to the third, fired, and nothing happened.  Fired again... nothing.  Then I noticed I'd just put two neat holes through the lower end curve of the barrel.  Rotated the gun and all was well.  Shooters experience with dealing with height over bore are probably rolling their eyes at this, and it was certainly a learning moment.  Cost me a good 6-7 seconds trying to figure out what was going on. 

     

    - Recoil not as nice as MPX.  It's easily managed, of course, but I can fire faster and stay in the A zone at a 20 yard target with the MPX due to dot bounce.  This is something practice will likely improve, but you also can't argue with the physics.  Innovations in AR9 buffer design may leave the X95 behind in terms of shot split times.  I'm not a good enough shooter to really take advantage of that in a match stage, but I can feel the difference.

     

    - Rifle racks.  Most of them at the bays are too damn tall.  :-(

     

    Just hard to overstate how much fun I'm having with it, and with PCC games in general.  Not having to plan out production mag changes and having the stage plan go to hell when I have to do make up shots and forget the round count is liberating all on it's own.  Just run around the stage, hosing everything down and laughing maniacally while doing it (well... mentally, maybe.) 

  14. On a slight tangent, but close enough I didn't want to post a new thread:

    Any individuals / groups doing PCC specific USPSA courses?  We've got several options here in DFW for game pistol training (though we could always use more), but all of the rifle courses are military slanted, not gaming, and emphasize things I don't personally care about - shooting from cover, tactical concealment, etc.  Not interested in any course where a plate carrier is optional equipment.

     

    PCC interest is surging here, and any competent instructor who puts together a course (perhaps similar to Stoeger's 2 day fundamentals course) will get plenty of interest.  Is there already something out there that I just can't find?  I'm not flying to one, but anything in the Texas / OK area is good to go.

     

    Learning 30 seconds at a time on match day is a slow way to do it.

  15. Having a total blast with this.  2 USPSA comps, one steel comp, and range sight-in time means nearly a case of 9mm down range in the month I've owned it.  It just runs and runs.  Geissele Lightning Bow, Geissele SS sear pack, Manticore curved butt plate, Magpul angle, AP-Man comp, MRO.  

     

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  16. There are several classic Zen Buddhist techniques aimed at doing just this, though they all attempt to silence 'the babbler' globally rather than just in certain circumstances, like standing at the stage start mark.  One of the more popular is koan practice, which is similar to the advice above to repeat a nonsense phrase, but is more intense in that it uses an unsolvable question to force the babbler into overdrive and exhaust him so he shuts up.  The classic is 'what is the sound of one hand clapping', but also 'who is the master', 'what was your face before your parents were born', etc.  It doesn't matter... just something to concentrate intensely on so you can drown out that tape player.  Do it often enough and the tape will slow down and eventually stop. 

     

    Another is go for mindfulness.  Try and fill your attention up with everything around you as head to the start line.  The targets and course, yes, but also the environment around it, the sunlight, the air... if you're concentrating on the world around you enough you won't have any time left for that tape player. 

     

    All this is easy to type out but hard to do.  I certainly fail most of the time at it.  It's worked enough, though, that I'm convinced of it's utility... what's lacking is my own discipline.  :-)

  17. 9 hours ago, MrRick said:

    I considered one when looking for a PCC but I was concerned with mag changes would take a bit more time that the typical PCC. 

    If you've got a lot of AR/M4 muscle memory and you're right handed that can be an issue.  You'll certainly have to practice a different reach point, though the mags have gone in easy even without much of a flare on the magwell.

     

    If you're a lefty, though, then I'd argue the Tavor has an advantage even considering relearning muscle memory.  I use a Troy ambi mag release on my JP-15, but to date I haven't seen anything for the AR9.  The big indent bar release doesn't seem to lend itself well to left-hand operation unless you make a dedicated left-hand 9mm lower.  The X95 release is truly ambidextrous, and it takes little pressure to get the mag to drop.  

  18. I've run the Tavor in back to back matches now (USPSA rules, though outlaw matches), and it's just a beast. Fun as hell, easy to run with, insanely maneuverable, and (once I figured out the ammo) absolutely ROCK solid. PCC is getting popular and out of the ~40 competitors at each match there were 8-9 PCCs, and the Tavor outran them all in terms of reliability. The first match I had issues with FTEs using Stand One Chubbies - these are -P 147 gr 9mm loads that are designed to just cycle the action in a pistol. Super, super soft shooting. When I got the gun, I took it to the range and ran a good 150 rounds or so of Chubbies through it without a hitch. Problems showed up in the match after about 40 shots, so I switched to hotter ammo and didn't have a problem. Turns out even Stand One recommends their somewhat hotter (but still subsonic) 147gr loads for submachine guns, and unlike the pistol there's very, very little feel difference between them. Chubbies still work if the gun is clean and lubed (up to around 200 rounds), but get it a bit dirty and they're not quite enough. Second match on the slightly hotter loads had me putting nearly 200 rounds downrange without a single issue. EVERY other gun, including a couple of JP GMRs, an MPX, a Scorp, and half a dozen 9mm frankenbuilds had their operators reaching for the charging handle at least once during the match. The poor guy with the brand new MPX had fits getting his to run. 

    I did convert it to left-hand operation. The gun is 100% ambidextrous, but you do have to make liberal use of a full punch set to move the extractor, switch the charging handle, etc. in order to get it to eject out the left and charge from the right. 

    Other things to note or fix if you're considering an X95 for PCC:

    - Trigger. The X95 is loads better than the original Tavor, but it's still nowhere near what you get on any match-grade AR. Swapped the trigger mechanism for a Geissele Lighting Bow to remove the 15" of creep (that's what it felt like), and replaced the sear with a Geissele SS at 3.5 lbs. Goes from an 'OK for a bullpup' trigger to as good as anything out there. Pricey, but very worth it if you're trying to keep a dot on A zone squares at 15-20 yards while moving.  Don't get me wrong... stock trigger was slightly better than both the Scorp and MPX (shot both extensively while trying to decide which way to go), but it took the Geissele mods to get to feel close to my JP-15.  

    - Replaced the butt plate with a Manticore arms curved plate. More comfortable shoulder seat, and moves the entire rifle nearly an inch back toward your shoulder without affecting the OAL. 

    - Comp. Birdcage flash hider it comes with really makes it quiet... and that really sucks when you have to re-do a great stage run because the timer didn't pick up your shots. $30 comp from AP Manufacturing (looks like they copied the JP 2-chamber top ported brake) makes it loud again even with the subsonic ammo. It may even help a bit with muzzle rise, but it's subtle. There's not much gas for it to work with at the end of a 17" barrel. Aesthetically it looks way, way better IMHO.

    - Magpul angled foregrip. With the foregrip so close to your body with the bullpup design your wrist is REALLY angled... much, much more so than out at the end of a 15" hand guard on a long AR. It gets uncomfortable, and you don't have much control unless you've got a beefy wrist (which I don't.) Angled grip made a huge comfort difference.

    - Optic height over bore. Not much you can do about this, though I might try a larger fov holographic that sits closer to the rail than the MRO with a riser. Sighting in at 10 yards means a noticeable holdover at point-blank and noticeable hold-under at 20 yards. 

    Very happy with it. Extremely well-built, fun to shoulder and shoot, and it just RUNS.  Pic post mods but without angled grip.  42 rnd magazine.

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  19. It could be an issue where further hand/finger strengthening would improve the late-game grip issues, but when handling the CZ SP-01 a few weeks ago after 3 stages I was forcefully struck by how much more 'grippable' the gun seemed to me. I just seem to be reaching around the G34 more than anything. Early on this isn't an issue, but even before the match starts it feels like I'm gripping something that's just a bit too big to be comfortable. That didn't really gel for me until I handled the CZ. Even a 2011 felt easier to grip, though it was subtle.

    I do want to make sure it's not fatigue or just the 'something new' factor. I'm also not really keen on going away from the super-simple manual of arms the Glock has... dealing with manual safeties / de-cockers will be a pain to get used to. I don't want to feel like I'm fighting my own gun to get a good grip on it, though.

  20. I love everything about my G34 except the grip.

    I've been shooting competition with it for right at six months now, coming up on two dozen comps (mix of IDPA and USPSA), and about 3K rounds fired. I'm coming to the unfortunate realization that the grip is just a bit too large for my hand, especially in a match with more than 4 stages. I just can't keep a strong grip going and accuracy starts to really fall off. I'm new enough that I was certain it was just me (never the bow, always the injun goes the saying), but after trying a CZ and a few other pistols with slightly smaller grips I think my hands just aren't big enough for it.

    Is it worth it to look at a grip reduction mod, or some other custom work? I'd prefer to stay in Production class for USPSA and SSP for IDPA, but I can be persuaded to move up a class if I don't have to shell out $3K to do it. I'm not particularly competitive yet (C in USPSA, SS in IDPA) but really enjoy shooting club comps here in DFW. I love the trigger safety and simplicity of the Glock, both in operation and cleaning, but I'm becoming more and more certain the grip on the G34 just isn't for me.

    If grip issues have caused others to move on from the G34, what did you move to?

    Once again, I love the Glock and this is no way a knock against it.. just a sizing issue. I like the fact that even if nothing but race guns show up to a USPSA match I'm guaranteed to not come in last, as a few of them always go down. The Glock NEVER goes down.

    Edit: It's a Gen4 G34.

  21. My first recommendation is to buy the JP15. You will thank me later. If you really can't stretch the budget, buy a JP15 upper and throw it in a complete lower. As you have money, upgrade the trigger and stock. The JP15 as I would configure it is $2059. If you are military or LE you can trim that down further.

    Just suck it up and do the JP-15, you won't regret it and you won't have to do a bunch of mods.

    Doug

    This wound up being wisdom. Just sucked it up and spent the cash for a JP-15, 18", LMOS, and TD. Added an MRO, and while it broke the budget a bit, it's hard to wipe the smile for at least several hours after shooting it. Even cleaning it doesn't make the smile go away.

    After running a bunch of range and gallery trips, plus one indoor carbine comp, about the only thing I'd think of changing would be going to a lower with an ambi mag eject. As a left-hand shooter I just haven't yet worked out a non-awkward method.

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