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Springer extensions are great, and they have a very low cost ($5, IIRC) engraving option for putting your name on them. After buying the mag, extension, and extra power spring (if you want LRBO), you've likely got a 3 figure accessory. $5 for name engraving is fantastic to help protect that.
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I'd like to see a comparison between the new Elf and the SLT-2. Love the Hiperfire ECL right now, but I shoot 10K rounds a year through the MPX and I'm not looking forward to replacing triggers every 4-5 months.
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3 hours ago, Aircooled6racer said:
Hello: I have one of my C-More that has been on 223's, open pistols, 22's and now is on an MPX. It is still working after 10 years of use. I don't think it is fragile at all unless you run it over. Thanks, Eric
Agreed - not fragile at all under normal operation. I have both (MRO is on a Tavor), and the C-More is faster. 4 MOA on the CM allows for faster target acquisition, and the thin frame just disappears in my view compared to the MRO. This was somewhat shocking to me... the MRO has a pretty thin barrel specifically to give the shooter a more open sight picture, but after using the CM for just a few weeks it's almost painful looking through the MRO. The frame feels enormous and intrusive.
Now, 'normal operation' refers to the fairly gentle handling a race gun gets. The MRO is a sight you can go to war with... throw it around, toss it in the back of an vehicle, generally give it some abuse, and it will typically keep on working. I wouldn't expect the CM to have nearly that kind of resistance to damage.
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I'll jump on the Hiperfire bandwagon... got an Eclipse when they were on sale for slightly less than the normal 24 in January with a new MPX build and it's an amazing trigger. Low end for failure seems to be around 4000 rounds, and high end 8000-9000. That's between 6 months and a year for me at my current pace of just under a case a month. Annoying to have to replace at that rate, but realistically as 2011BLDR puts it above it's a consumable part... buy ~6 cases of ammo on average and a new trigger. ;-)
The issue seems to be the violence with which the hammer is driven back through the disconnector. The stock trigger has a plastic bridge in place that I assume works as a cheap wear part to take the blow. Not sure why it's so difficult for other trigger manufacturers to put in a similar wear part to take the impact, but I guess the return rate isn't bad enough for it to be worth it. It definitely increases your roulette if you're at a major match that you spent $$$ to attend and you've got a 4K+ trigger in there... it's probably worth it to swap it out before you go if you don't have a complete backup gun to use.
The SLT trigger series claims to have solved this issue, and I'm interested in trying one if the Eclipse fails prematurely. It doesn't use a disconnector... the hammer is just shoved out of the way by the bolt with crashing through anything. It hasn't been out long enough to get a definitive read on it. One early user in the MPX had failures at the 1000 round level, but SLT determined it was a manufacturing fault and not just the MPX beating it to death, and I haven't seen anyone else reporting an issue. It's supposedly a great feeling trigger, but a hair heavier at 4# compared to the heaviest springs (lightest pull) of the Hiperfire (2.5-3#).
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I've been to two Tier 4 matches with PCC, and two Tier 2 matches, and have not seen any enforcement of handling rules anywhere near that level. Keen vigilance for flagging, of course, which there should be, but nobody was watching the unbagging at the berm or caring what you did with the gun while pointed at the berm.
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17 hours ago, Darqusoull13 said:
double post
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17 hours ago, Darqusoull13 said:
The ability to give a brand new shooter 42 rounds to complete a 32 round stage simplifies the initial experience to the point that addiction happens without frustration. If you want reloads, shoot Single Stack, something I'd never wish on a first timer. Or just randomly reload your PCC. It really wont bother me at all.
Folks shoot PCC to have fun their way. If the general membership responds similar to any of my local clubs, PCC shooters enjoy the division BECAUSE of the lack of limitations. Similar to Open, that means we prefer shooting our guns to reloading them. Do I practice reloads? Yes. Do I want to do a shitload of reloads instead of drag racing? Not really. That's part of the allure of PCC.
If you'd like to shoot PCC at a match, I'd love to show you how much fun it is. Come on down to Texas where everything is bigger, including our mags
100% this. I started with Production 2 years ago when
the addiction hitI started gaming and loved it but quickly realized Production isn't a beginner friendly division, no matter what folks say based on equipment costs. Racing / blasting away without counting rounds and worrying about hitting correct reload points between position transitions made what was already a fun game a complete and total addiction.There's no doubt pistols, especially Production, have in many ways a higher skill floor. Upper levels of PCC also tend to push athleticism harder than pistol, since everyone is pretty accurate, and I'm not much of an athlete. None of that matters, though, when the timer goes off and it's just gleeful blasting. A 30 round limit wouldn't affect that all that much, but as an RO/SO I'd be very, very reluctant to try and police that.
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1 hour ago, Maximis228 said:
I have yet to see a PCC Shooter take HOA over a legit open shooter at a major. Nationals last year had a 10% difference between the two.
Also... If you are shooting more than 32 rounds on a 32 round field course... you already f*#ked up.
We've got some fast PCC shooters here in DFW and I have yet to see one take HOA (or even get in the top 5) at our larger club matches where a dozen GM Open shooters show up.
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A well-tuned AR9 runs very close (if not identical) to an MPX. To expand on Eric's post above, you'll trade time for money.
I love the PCC game, and I play at least once a week and quite often twice, putting just over a case of ammo downrange a month. I'm a B shooter (USPSA) / SS (IDPA), so not all that great, but my scores have dropped DRAMATICALLY from going from a fairly harsh recoiling Tavor X95 to an MPX. I could likely have gotten the same benefit by going to a very well-tuned AR9, but it would have taken a ton more time AND money, because you almost certainly HAVE to reload to get the same performance out of an AR9.
You can train yourself to tame a sharp recoil jump on the second shot, and after nearly a year with the Tavor I was getting close. Once I switched to the MPX, I realized what a handicap that was. At B on up, the difference in scores can be less than a second per stage, and rarely more than 2 seconds outside a malfunction or mental error. The MPX gives the confidence to just point the gun at the target and fire two very, very fast shots, and know they'll be within half an inch of each other.
This is all accomplished by the MPX expending a lot of the recoil energy working the piston / locking bolt mechanism, instead of all the energy going through the blowback. Taming blowback means carefully matching the round (bullet weight, powder charge, burn rate, OAL, etc) to the buffer system. Some people love this... I can see how the tuning part can become it's own kind of game with it's own satisfactions in mastering. I don't have the time or interest at all to do this... I buy factory ammo. And the MPX will give you the exact same performance by throwing some hot $.17 per round bulk factory in it that the AR9 will give after many, many hours of tuning load and buffer. An AR9 with factory ammo is going to take more practice time to get fast with.
We're already seeing more locking bolt mechanisms showing up, and I have a feeling the MPX is going to be getting a lot of competition in the future. Right now, though, if you don't want to reload and play the tuning game, the MPX is the gun to beat. Just bring a fat wallet.
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TF extension works perfectly on the two IWI mags I put them on. Not sure who makes them for IWI... thought it was Metalform, but I could be wrong. No polishing, grinding, extra power springs, etc. Just installed them and go, and they've been flawless for dozens of USPSA matches. I've switched to MPX and using Springer extensions due to the (very nice) cheap engraving.
These extensions, from any manufacturer, are just hollowed out chunks of aluminum. Hardly rocket science. I'm having trouble seeing how any of them could cause problems that weren't already present in the magazine itself.
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On 2/10/2018 at 10:03 PM, MikieM said:
There is nothing that I'm aware of regarding switching from one shoulder to the other except that the trigger must be pulled with the hand that is on the side where the gun is shouldered.
And what would a police officer know about USPSA rules regarding gun safety, unless he was one of us?
I'm pretty sure that's only for WSB required strong/weak shooting positions. When transitioning just to get a better firing angle around a tight barrier I just move the stock to the other shoulder without changing hand positions at all. So much faster.
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Nothing beats the sight picture. I shot an MRO for nearly a year, and it's a great sight... technically better than the C-More in most criteria: build quality, toughness, battery life. After running the C-More for just a few matches it's hard to look through the MRO... just feels huge and distracting, and it's way better than the Holosun for getting out of the way.
I'd pay MRO pricing to get a C-More with better battery life and easier adjustability, but regardless it's the best thing going for acquisition and transition speed.
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Ehh... nobody wants to move up classification via classifiers. They all want to do it by winning a major at their sandbagged level.
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19 hours ago, OPENB said:
I've got 2 of the ADM C-more mounts, so I'm not sure how your mount lever is wiggling open. They have a lock you have to depress to open the lever. It can't open otherwise.
Yep, and the lock seems solid. I can't move the lever with my finger without pushing it in. It's come loose after every second or third course of fire, however, so there's something going on... perhaps the impulse of the MPX is enough jolt the small locking lever while shaking the main lever out.
Tempted to take it to the range, put a camera on it, and see if I can reproduce it.
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I'm having a heck of a time with the American Defense QD mount for my CMore on an MPX (handle keeps wiggling open every other course of fire even though it's tight), but the sight itself is awesome. Left the MRO on the Tavor (home defense and match backup gun), as the CMore was faster at half the price. The MRO is a much tougher, heavier built red dot, but for matches that's just not an issue.
Haven't had any issues with dot drift, and I've shot it in VERY cold match conditions (just above freezing) and indoor conditions (75) two days later.
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Two Springer extensions, and they work great with the extra power springs (and I still get 39 with no strain. 40 feels like something's going to break.) Like others, no LRBO without it. I keep a stock 30 for IDPA, though.
Have TF extensions for the Tavor and they're great too, but Springer has this wonderful cheap ($5) engraving option to put your name on the basepad. I can be... forgetful of where I put stuff, and I like having my name etched into a magazine that's nearly a $100 investment after the extension.
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On 12/20/2017 at 1:41 PM, HoMiE said:
Shot that match and definitely some tough shooting positions.
On stage 1 on saw a lot of people take off and run to the left when you could of fired at the targets right in front. Start by taking far target, back out on closer target, then it was easier transition to target in doorway. Then you could walk into the targets on left. Then much faster to run over to target arrays on right. Now I know there are a few Shooting pcc I’ll bring mine next time.
My problem is that I'm quite competent at analyzing a stage just like the excellent example above. Then the timer goes off....
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Running the Hiperfire ECL in my MPX, and it's the fastest trigger I've ever used. Noticeably better even than the JP fire control in my JP-15, and it's a really nice trigger. Buds had them on sale for $199 when I was assembling parts last month.
There are a fair number of reports of the MPX beating hiperfire triggers into doubling around the 4000 round mark. Others report going near 10K before the trigger is worn out from the bolt. Regardless it looks like a fairly quickly wearing part... YMMV. If the ECL fails before 5K I'll try the SLT-1 trigger next, since it looks to completely negate the wear issue by ditching the disconnector altogether.
The Raptor handle works fine. Can't comment on how the stock one feels since I didn't fire the gun with it installed.
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Yeah, I've got one of Tim's ULW barrels on the MPX. The outer carbon fiber hand guard shifts around a bit, but the metal shroud pin/welded to the rifled barrel is solid as a rock. Great setup... everyone that even holds it is shocked at the low weight of the weapon.
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On 1/18/2018 at 10:40 PM, lordnikoncanon said:
Buying this trigger next
Sent from my iPad using TapatalkThat is... extremely interesting. Running a Hiperfire ECL in my MPX at the moment and my god is it sweet... but if I wind up replacing a $200 trigger every 4 cases of ammo that's going to get silly. It won't last 6 months.
I'll check the SLT-1 when/if the HF starts doubling.
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55 minutes ago, Aircooled6racer said:
Hello: The Sig MPX shoots softer since it is a gas piston gun. It shoots softer than anything I have tried so far which is a lot of different PCC's and setups. Thanks, Eric
Agreed. Just switched to MPX after a year with the Tavor X95, and it's night and day. The Tavor is an amazing rifle... just not optimum for USPSA. The bullpup form wasn't as big of an advantage as I first thought it might be in tight corner stages and makes transitions slower, and while *incredibly* reliable the recoil is harsh with no real ability to modify it due to a unique blowback system.
Tried a dozen different PCCs in the last few months deciding on the replacement and nothing came close to the MPX. JP (and I own and love a JP-15), Wilson, F1 custom (BEAUTIFUL gun), Scorp, many different combo frankenbuilds... all fell before it. It's *expensive*... I've got $2200 into it and that was with an existing C-More, so your budget might take it out of consideration. But the near total lack of recoil with hot factory loads combined with just over 5 lbs of weight (thanks Tim @ Taccom!) makes for just a stupidly fast rifle. Now my skills need to come up to the gun... it's going to take a while.
If you go that way, plan on getting the pistol variant as cheaply as possible as you'll only keep the receiver. Got mine through Gunbroker (Sportsman Supply) for $1195 shipped. $500 Taccom ULW barrel/guard, $150 stock/tube/adapter setup, $200 Hiperfire Eclipse, $50 Radian safety, $100 for magwell and one extension. Not a cheap setup, but IMHO one of the best (if not THE best) tools you can get to help win matches.
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Hmm... why would the Talon be listed as incompatible with the 24c on the Hiperfire site? Seems to be working for folks. Or is this another one that only works at 45?
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Been shooting a Tavor X95 converted to left hand since February, and it's a fantastic gun that's just a bit slow. After 5 cases of ammo (19 locals and 2 majors) I'm switching out to an MPX (gun and a ton of parts were ordered yesterday - thanks year end bonus!) The Tavor has been the most reliable gun at the match, weekend after weekend, and I've won more than few stages against guys and gals much faster than me when their guns stopped working. It's very, very heavy, though, and the bullpup format doesn't transition as fast as a longer gun. Being able to 'point' at the target with your off-hand way out on the handguard is faster than pointing with torso movement with the bullpup. It's got a fair bit of jump, too... you can't really do anything with the unique (but still blowback) recoil system.
Mine's switching to match backup and bedside defense.
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Is the ECL worth the extra money? That price for the 24C makes the Eclipse almost twice the price.
Lets talk MOA’s
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Surprised at the lack of love for 4 MOA. I shot a MRO (2 MOA) for nearly a year before switching, so 4 seemed large and fast to me. At typical match distances of 10-15 yards it doesn't obscure the top A zone. Turn the brightness up and it appears more like a 6.