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In conventional pistol bullets the jacket hollowpoint is considered most accurate. If you look at a cross-section of the bullet the heaviest part of the bullet is in the rear and that is the last part that is stabilized as it leaves the barrel. Other bullet styles lend them selves to be in accurate. A 122 truncated cone bullet is very accurate due to a very short pointed bullet front and the rear of the bullet is constructed like a hollow point with all the weight at the back . There were tests back in the twenties that showed the 120ish grain bullet had great accuracy in 9mm with tc style bullet.
Quick and dirty take aways are that bigger diameter bullets are more accurate due to engaging the rifling better.
When I worked up 95 grain loads in 9mm for steel challenge I had sub 1inch groups at 35 yds with 95 jhps. I had 4inch groups, if you call them groups, with 95 grain fmj. This demonstrates what a difference having the weight at the rear of the bullet to stabilize it will do for accuracy.
Good Luck,
DougC
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3.8gr W231 with 115jhp. 1.120 oal. Staple load. Enjoy!
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In iron sighted pistols I used coated lead. They are accurate and usually give better accuracy than plated. I can get .357-358 bullets to give me what I want for accuracy This is very true in 9mm.
In open guns with comps I spend the money for jacketed. Plated is false economy and for the price you can spend a couple more bucks and get great performance and most importantly for me, accuracy. Plated looks like jacketed, almost costs like jacketed, but they ain’t jacketed.....
DougC
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Yes, Jason. You should like the longer bearing surface on the 160s. Make sure they are .358 for best accuracy, and the rollcrimp will help as well.
DougC
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It was the imported Aussie CLAYS that was packaged by Hogdon. It happened to me as well with a highly polished dillon powder measure that was examined after the fact and I pulled a bunch of them and found some light ones, like 2.1 instead of 2.8, etc. It cured me of using that load, especially when titegroup gave much tighter groups at 25 yards with the combo I was using.
DougC
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Guys, be careful using CLAYS powder loading lower than 3.0 grains. SInce the flakes are bigger they can bridge when there is not enough weight (mass) of more powder bearing downward and you can have intermittent powder drops and squibs. It is well documented on old threads on here and is a thing. CLAYS is a great minor .40 powder and minor/major .45 acp powder. Accuracy in most bullet styles suffer in 9mm short case capacity loads. If you want a soft powder in 9mm loads try titegroup and 320 and ramshot competition among others. If you must use CLAYS some people put aquarium pumps on them to make sure the powder flows correctly with the smaller charge weights.
DougC
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AHI, thanks for sharing your experience and please continue to share. Post the info and let the chips fall where they may. All of this is a continual learning curve for ALL of us and having access to your information is important...
PS......My 1x32 Schumann 9x19 barrel shot both 115jhp and 147s extremely well at long distance......;0)
DougC
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I just read the American handgun article. From my testing I knew that the Zero Bullets would shoot better at terminal distance than the Nosler.
The make up of the bullet makes a big difference. I know that for a 50 yard accuracy load zero or sierra pistol bullets will give the best accuracy once you get the load dialed in.
For example using the same load and substituting Montana gold 115 JHP I get the same accuracy up to 35 yards and then the group opens up from an inch and a half to roughly 3 1/2 inches at 50 yards. I am not knocking Montana gold, They are good bullets but not as accurate as the others
My current 38 super Load has an SD 12 and I can still shoot a 6 shot group of an inch and a half at 50 yards. You can drive yourself nuts worrying about the numbers. If the load shoots it shoots.
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Loads of good info here......
I used to sell 50 yard accuracy ammo for competition.....A buddy won a world title in Germany with it. I still use the same loads in 9mm and 38 Super in Bianchi Cup matches.
Here are some necessary things for accuracy. Consistency. Period. It has to be repeatable for consistent accuracy.
In the 9mm a medium powder is best for accuracy due to it's small case capacity. Most Bullseye loads and the like are set up short, around 1.075 -1.080. Other loads shoot well at 1.110-1.120.
Here is a couple loads for example.
Match load using once fired same headstamp cases /rollsized. 115jhp Zero conical/Sierra 115 jhp. OAL 1.110 OAL Crimp set at .377. 4.8-5.0gr VV 330/340, Titegroup. Federal Gold match primers. Your best accuracy with 115s are around 1150-1180 fps. The Fed match primers will get you an increase of 17-22 percent smaller groups as they are the most consistent primers available.
For cheaper practice I use a Two Alpha 122 conical flat nose coated lead bullet sized .357 loaded to 1.030 OAL with 3.5-3.7gr TG. It shoots the same POI at 50 yards as my above JHP load except I push the rear sight to the right two clicks. I got pretty luck with that combo.
For Super.Supercomp we bump up the 9mm powder charge .02 grains to start and see what your gun likes. VV 320 and WST are the most used powders in Super for 50 yard accuracy.
A friend bracketed loads for his 9mm open gun and settled at 4.2gr TG in that particular gun/barrel whereas I have seen best accuracy in my gun at 4.5gr TG. The nice thing about handloading is that you can customize the load to your gun/barrel combo. It is really satisfying when you find the load.
Where did I learn all of this stuff? I learned a lot from reading posts like this on this forum years ago, doing more research on the Net, and talking to anyone that knew more than I did about loading and competing.
Hope this helps,
DougC
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Another thing that might be happening is not getting the bullet straight when it is being seated. If they tip any bit then you can have some shaving and they wont gauge either.
DougC
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Hi Sarge, remember I only said the brass would "chamber"......lol. 9 Major is a complete different animal.....
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Thanks for the kind words, Jack. I now have elderly parents I care for along with a special at home, and am in my last three years of work for my pension so I have been a little bit busy......LOL
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As I have a Automated roll sizer and used to be a Commercial Loader here some info to take how you will.
In my experience you don't need an undersized die for 9 or .40. The standard Lee sizing die will return the OD of the case to factory spec, unlike the Dillon die, which is hogged out a little bit. There is nothing wrong with the Dillon dies, but the Lee sizes down a little farther. The OD of the brass with the rollsizer and Dillon die is the same as the same brass with the Lee factory sizer die. Use Dillon case lube and don't worry about the brass after that. This will ensure the brass will chamber properly in your gun.
Good luck,
DougC
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For those of you that don't know Jim he has been inside the shooting sports for over 30 years and is a wealth of knowledge. I feel honored to have been able to see his S&W custom guns from the 80s and 90s when I was invited to his home. If you have the opportunity to meet him you will enjoy the experience!
DougC
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I would try the old spring first. You also may need your extractor adjusted for proper feeding of shorter factory rounds. That is a known issue.
DougC
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The match went great thanks to the crew at Green Valley. There was much improvement on the part of the NRA. Things were better but rhere is a long way to go to get back to where it can be. There is work behind the scenes to promote the match to the grassroots to gain more shooters.
DougC
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Hello all.The Big Dawg Steel Match 2018 will be held at the West Liberty Gun Club on October 12-14.We have a few spots left with 100 entries so far.Come shoot 15 stages of plate rack excitement against some of the best shooters in the area! This is set up like the Old American Handgunner match in Colorado.Please like and visit our Big Dawg Steel Match Facebook page for information and updates.This continues to be a 50 % cash payback match, paid to the top five shooters in the limited (iron sight), Unlimited (open), and PCC categories. Plaques will be awarded to Top Senior, Top Lady, Top Junior, Stock and Open Revolver( out to 3 places if enough shooters enter). We are soliciting prizes for the prize table as well.We will be using Practiscore scoring with paper back up. You will be able to squad yourself as well once you are paid.The match will take place Friday, Saturday, and small squads Sunday morning.Once we get done on Sunday we will check scores and get on with the prize table and awards.All updates will be posted on the FB page.http://www.thinkiowacity.com/ has links to hotels and answers many questions about the area.Please send this to all your friends that may have shot the match or want to so we can get the information out to them.A big thanks to Eric and Heather Martin for stepping up to help and making the Practiscore sign up and scoring a reality! If you see them at a match tell them thanks!Get to loading ammo, it will be here before you know it!PS. if you need anything hit me up on the FB page.......it will be a quicker response!Doug Carden
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Great, right before Bianchi...........Is there anyway to get back to not bunching up the large matches right on top of each other? It was nice when it was the same time every year so you could plan to attend the large matches. Not complaining but putting it out there.....
DougC
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i heard a couple weeks ago it was 110 for the Worlds, and around 140 for the Cup. I hope those go up.....
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Yes that is what Bob gave me for load data as well. I hated the slow powder and noise. Start at 5.5 and see what the groups look like.
DougC
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I will try to help if I can!
DougC
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Update. We are almost to 100 shooters. If you are thinking about attending this match please sign up soon.
Big Dawg steel match.
Cool weather along with the most steel shooting you can find for $50 bucks! See you there,
DougC
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I have used Lehman Optical since 1997. He sets up your focalpoint for your front sight distance. My last set was for shooting 50 yards for Bianchi Cup shooting. He made me test lenses with my new prescription and send test lenses to put in front of the new lense so I could dial in what I needed for 50 yards. Now I can see the front sight perfectly and see the lines on the target as well. He is a wealth of knowledge.
He doesn't do internet anything. Call him. He travels to all the big shotgun shoots and competes as well with his family. Pretty neat guy!
DougC
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Hello my friend! It is a blast. We are going to take a lot of video this year and also have a drone with an HD camera. Like the FB page and we will post everything after the match! Hope to see you at a match soon!
Doug
Looking for load data for 38 short Colt
in 9mm/38 Caliber
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In the Revo you need a real big crimp so your last couple bullets in the cylinder don’t jump. A roll crimp is best but you can do about the same thing with a taper crimp too.