Wim

Hello Peter, Thanks. Your help is much appreciated. The data is similar to what I have now finally managed to come by after e-mailing various sources in Germany. It's a probably not really cool to answer your own question.... but RWS finally came back to me and faxed 2 pages from their manual. I'm not sure whether this is of much use to anyone, aside from myself , but here goes: 44 Mag: 220gr Sierra, 18-19.5; 240gr H&N 17-19; 265gr Hornady 14-16 357 mag: 158gr Geco TMF or ? Sierra 12-14, other 158gr's range from 10-13. Wouldn't know how you knew that, Peter. Thanks again. Wim

Okay, not really an action shooting caliber related load data query, but I hope someone can help... I can come by quite a bit of well priced Rottweil P806. Can anyone help out with data for P806 with heavy bullets in the .357 and .44 Magnums. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks. Wim

When I was young(er) and dumb(er) I tried a lot of forearm and gripping exercises. My 2c worth is just not to get too carried away in your quest for instant grip strngth - be sensible - I worked may way into tennis elbow twice and the problems took many months (cortisone shots etc.) to resolve... Oh any you guys on the big equipment take it easy shaking hands when you meet people who don't expect to be crushed in a gorilla grip you may break something (of theirs)

I've read Sun Tzu's Art of War... Google for it - there is a free one on-line translated by Lionel Giles I think, together with commenary. I may be too entrenched in my western thinking, but ST seemed to me to be more a concious analysis of the strategy of waging war (or living life, or succeeding in business, or trading financial markets - where it is a very popular "classic read"). I'm not up to speed on Zen, but from what I've read here the last few days (I'm taking the forum on a topic at a time!) I feel that ST is very much a road map consisting of a conciously applied set of guidelines / rules. I could be way wrong, but without looking over ST again this is as I recall it. Maybe I recall what I took away from the experience of reading ST, but that experience may have been directed by my need to view ST as an instruction manual....

That one - "Who are those good looking bastards coming over the dune?" Wim (Johannesburg S.A.)

Here in South Africa the "camera fine" has been perfected. Best of all; once you receive a summons and post off a check (cheque in SA!) it often isn't banked and next thing you are arrested at a roadblock on an outstanding warrant for a traffic offence. It happened to me on a Sunday morning and, unless you pay the full amount in cash, you remain locked up with company whose credentials are unknown / questionable, until you appear in court the next working day . Guaranteed checks not accepted, credit card not accepted - do not pass begin but proceed straight to jail... In theory you can remain locked up for more than 2 days if they grab you on a Friday evening, without knowingly or wanting to have avoided paying the fine and for a traffic offence or parking ticket!!! And if you don't have the cash with you, you aren't going to be taken past an ATM to draw money either!!! Anyhow I have no idea whether this is legal or not where you live, you would need to check that, but without accepting any liability, or recommending these products, I found these links a while back: http://www.bimmerparts.net/laser/flashphoto.html; http://www.photobuster.com/

Thanks for the help guys. I've found more threads on the forum that helped too. Seems most everyone suggests keeping thumbs off "the frame" when referring to "the gun". What confused me was this thread http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...ts+to+the+right . Duane, this was your comment: "What I found really helpful, when I realized thumb pressure on the gun was pushing my shots over to the right, was to really exaggerate the outward flexion of my thumbs. In other words, hyper-extend the thumbs out to the side so they don't touch the side of the gun at all". I now understand what it really means - "the side of the gun" was the key there . Duane, your posts elsewhere cleared it up for me. Thanks for the help and the welcome...

Hi there. finally registered after a few weeks of "lurking". Thanks - your posts got me fired up to finally get involved in IPSC. I've been shooting for years - but no "action" shooting sports and hope to become proficient at shooting fast paced. I'm waiting for BE's book (on its way!). Meanwhile I'm not shooting and read a heap of the posts to avoid reinforcing my bad habits (which I'm sure are plenty). Enough history. Please excuse what is the question of an illinformed. I always rode the thumb safety (needed a thumb guard behind the safety because if my grip) and felt that it helped recoil control - and have seen this recommended in many different places. In my wanderings about the forum I saw an in depth discussion about "keeping the thumbs off the gun". Does this mean the "frame" as opposed to elsewhere, or the weak hand only (although "thumbs" seems to imply both strong and weak hand)? Duane, I think recommended "hyperextending the thumbs outwards" and another user said it was as though his thumps were amputated at the base! Benos said that thumbs on the gun are (loosely from recollection) "a loser". I've seen this discussion elsewhere (trying to avoid the title of "Newbie"). But they aren't helping me much! I'm missing something here. Please help me out whilst I wait for the snail mail to South Africa... Wim