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I have a 625-2 that I can't for the life of me get my reloads to go all the way into the cylinder. They fit the case gauge just fine so I don't think it's the rounds. Sometimes I will get a clip to go in, other times it will stick out about a quarter of an inch. Is it possible one of the holes is not the right size?
It's possible all the holes are undersized. Has the cylinder been reamed? I recently acquired a 625pc as a back-up gun and had the same problem. Factory FMJ dropped fine, reloads were about 50%. Took it to bosshoss on this forum, had it reamed (and chamfered) and now everything drops in fine. If you don't have anyone close to do revo work, I think bosshoss is taking business from guys just sending the cylinder to him for that work. Hope you get it ironed out- it's frustrating!
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So, the idea is to entice ICORE shooters in to get the revolver numbers up?
I think the idea is to get the activity up in revolver dividion. IRC shooters are a good group to entice, as are IDPA revolvers shooters. I think we have pretty much agreed the 8 round minor would make our game more appealing to ICORE. Bottom line; ICORE will come although who knows how many, if we allowed them to shoot all 8 rounds their guns carry without moving them out of revolver division.
IDPA is another story. They are more about minimalism and use what they deem to be more "practical" non game oriented equipment and courses of fire. I am neither here or there on this as they are all games, just different focus points.
The revo guys in IDPA are already shooting some of the same stuff as USPSA regarding guns but have a 4" barrel length limit. Plus their holsters and speedloader/moon clip holders and permitted quantities of those differs. Smith and Wesson dropped the 5" barreled of the 625 to a 4" because of IDPA's rules. Is it time to talk about getting them in now?
They will need more clip holders but that is relatively easy to take care of. If getting them out takes shorter stages on the average, I'm ok with some of that. I'm not alone in thinking 32 round stages should be fewer in number than medium or small stages in a proper match, but that is another issue.
Maybe Revo is bigger in IDPA BECAUSE there are no 32 round stages.
Point is, we want anyone who can to shoot. ICORE is just one group, but they may very well be the largest in terms of members, of organizations using revolvers.
I shoot revolver in IDPA almost exclusively. I enjoy it and have done OK. I've shot revolver in USPSA a little bit but wasn't really competitive at all. I then shot limited a little bit (local matches) and did alright while having a ball. I couldn't put together what was missing between revo games until a friend and fellow revolver shooter (bosshoss) told me that he loves to shoot revo in USPSA because he loves to figure out the puzzle of the course. More than anything else, I think that's what makes the difference between revo participation in IDPA and USPSA. For some of us, it is great fun running an IDPA course that will have at most 18 rounds (two reloads) and we can truly see where we stand in the field overall because all of us had to run it the same way. It becomes tiresome for some of us to run in USPSA on 32 round courses- and the club closest to me specializes in chalking every course with high round counts. Nothing against them, it's good stuff (if you're running limited- LOL). I'm just saying that within the ranks of those shooting revolvers, the "figure the puzzle out" guys aren't that plentiful.
That's actually why I would welcome a 8 limited revo class in USPSA. I can't tell you how many times I've started a course and saw 4 targets standing together (which means 1 standing reload). I think it would be great fun. I know it would draw guys like me.
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I think everyone is overlooking the segment of current revolver shooters, like myself, that just need some tiny bit of justification to buy a 627. Opening up an 8 Limited class would do it for me- I'M IN!
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John- thanks for posting those pics, that's a good idea. I think I'm going to give it a try!
For the OP, you can see the clearance in John's pics- plenty o'room!
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If you're looking for grips for competition, you might want to check out the Jerry Miculek wooden grips. I find they are conducive to fast draw / gun handling / speedloader reloading due to their streamlined shape and slickness. (Not that I am particularly fast, but they help.) However, they are not what I would use for concealed carry, due to their large size.
Hey John- I think I shot ESR with you at Wilmore last time. I noticed you was running the JM grips. I got a set with my most recent 625. The feel is great, but I guess I'm too soft for them in 45 because they pound the web of my hand, back to Hogues for me. I'd like to try a set for my 686 when running 38 though and to the point at hand, the OP would definitely have plenty of clearance for reloads with those grips.
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Did he say "punching bag drills"? If so, what is it?
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You bring something up that I had nearly forgot about. I have a C02 powered 586 clone somewhere from when I was a kid. If memory serves, it had a 6 round cylinder insert and then some 8 or 10 rounders. I'll see if I can find it and if so, I'll let you check it out the next time I come over.
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Hmmmm....makes one think that this line from page 70 of the rulebook should be amended: "IDPA has very quick and easy method of classifying shooters."
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Uh-huh.
Had a 625 given the full treatment by Denny Reichard. Shot two ICORE matches and one USPSA match with it. It sat in the safe for 2 years after that. I finally sold it and put the money towards a Cameron limited gun....
And I'm glad you did! That gun has picked up 3 IDPA major DCs and 1 major class win this year. I've put about 9k through it an who knows how much dryfire since January. Fantastic revolver.
Just in case anyone was wondering- no, I was not the only guy in ESR- LOL!
I've seen an increase in revo shooters as of late both at clubs and majors. This is a good thing.
OP- hope you get one soon, let us know!
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I got nailed with a PE for false starting at my last major. Went ready and just sort of "flinched" in anticipation. Noob move. The SO hated to give it to me, but of course, he had to do so and I deserved it. We were shooting in the same division and it turned out that he got the DC nod by .7 over me
Lesson learned!
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Congrats!
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SSR- Any number of k and l frames. You can usually find 586/686 reasonably affordable.
ESR- No Glock 17 equivalent- this is 625 territory.
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Got the email on it this morning.
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Has anyone received the COFs for this match or squad/start times, etc?
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I hadn't thought about this before this thread, but the female IDPA shooters I've shot with (except for major matches) ran 686s and Glock 9mm (not sure the model).
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How can you tell which 625-X you have if you are not a revo expert? any secrets to discovering the -X number?
Not a revo expert, but I know how to do this- LOL! Open the cylinder and look at where the crane and frame meet. You will see 625 with it's dash number.
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Application in the mail today. I'm looking forward to it!
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... IDPA is more about execution than imagination; you can rarely beat someone by coming up with a better plan, as the scenario and prodedure dictate how the stage will be shot...
I do agree with IDPA being more about execution than imagination. But having a better plan, e.g. putting an extra round into a target to get a reload in a goo place, going wide to shoot more targets from one position you can own a stage.
In some clubs that I shoot, such better plan staging would earn you a FTDR
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here is another cover question. I have been told that warning people of cover is just a courtesy, and not required by the rule book.
Is this correct?
thanks
From the book:
"Safety Officers who observe a shooter not using cover properly
should shout the command “COVER”. The shooter should
immediately correct his use of cover. IDPA understands many
shooters are often too fast in engaging targets for the SO to be able
to warn the shooter in time. Therefore, if the Safety Officer did
not have the time or opportunity to yell “COVER” before the
shooter engaged targets without using cover properly, the shooter
still earns a procedural error."
Also, if the shooter does not respond to the cover call and fires, he earns himself a procedural.
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Good. I can stuff a Comp III into it if necessary and just eat 1/2 second on the reload.
save your self the 1/2 second,just position the flaps off to one side only touching less than 1/4 of the speedloader and pull them out at an angle..nobody will make you stand on your head to see if they fall out..
Good idea, or you can make a cut right down the center of the flap, put speedloader in, tighten velcro down on each side of the loader and you've got it. Secure enough to hold them upside down and they come right out on a reload.
I've tried this method when I was in a pinch for carriers at a USPSA match. It worked, although the money spent on Ready Tac, etc will be money well-spent if you're serious about hanging in the division.
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I don't know if cover is interpreted differently in various clubs, but I do know there are some clubs a cover call is never made. I think your club is doing the shooters good and integrity goes a long way for reputation. +1
My club http://bgslinc.com/modules.php?name=BGSL_Sport_IDPA&file=page&load=Home.html follows the rules. Same for the USPSA match. NO LOCAL RULES!
+1 The IDPA club at Bluegrass is TOP NOTCH! If it wasn't a three hour drive for me I would be there every month. It's probably the best match around to prep for a major. Which leads me to....
several clubs are lax on it and that will cause alot of trouble for those shooters whenever they travel out to shoot a major match..some clubs look at it as "well we just shoot",so don't hammer the shooter to bad on certin PE's..it's all in the mind set of the MD or club owner..some shooters complain on every stage they shot because only thier foot or knee was out only "some"and the SO yelled cover..
+1 Couldn't agree more. If a guy only shoots local, it might not matter much, but if he ventures out to a major, it will be an eye-opening experience. It does the shooter no good at all to not follow the rules. It also doesn't do much at all for the integrity of the club.
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Good stuff! I think you'll like it. I hit my first major a couple of months ago and really enjoyed it.
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Yep- I think that's right. Load your Barney round, then a ten rounder. This gives you division capacity in esp and ssp. Then you can have two mags on the belt with 10 rounds each. No IDPA course will be over 18 rounds, so you'll have plenty with this set-up.
On the other hand, if your mags have the room, you can just load 11 in one to start and forget the Barney mag. Then keep two filled wit ten each on the belt and you're good to go.
The rules can get a little thick as you read them in the book. Then you have to deal with the rules interpretations of your SO. But, once you get in the groove of playing the game, they'll come together for you and won't seem as bad. Just know when you start, you'll make some mistakes, and that's alright- we all did. Good SOs will guide you through what happened and you just keep on learning from there.
ENJOY!
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SSR will work MUCH better with speedloaders
From what I see on the front, the pouches look good to go. So long as they hold upside down (shaking isn't a requirement) they'll be fine.
Have fun at your first match!
ETA: You can only have two mags on your belt
Reload time with speedloaders
in Revolver Forum
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It's really not spelled out in the rulebook, but here's the answer from Robert Ray (albeit for magazines, but I'd take it as true for speedloaders as well)
http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/4588/Using----two-mags---belt--K--using--Barney-Magazine#.UFCWmSRZ6Rc
For those who don't want to mess with the link, here's the short of it: You can only "use" 2 magazines or 3 speeloaders for a COF (after loading, of course).