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I have one, and in a year's worth of matches, I have enjoyed using it. I would recommend it. I never hit it by accident and dropped a mag.
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I have a KKM and a Bar-Sto (semi-fit), both for G35's. The KKM needed to be opened up slightly for lead bullets, the Bar-Sto was fine as bought. The KKM ran reliably in both guns, the Bar-Sto only runs completely reliably in one (it is a tighter fit). KKM opened up the barrel at no charge. No experience with Bar-Sto service.
As far as I can tell, both shoot about the same, and I am happy with both. I keep the Bar-Sto in the gun that runs it well, and the KKM in the other.
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In my G35, I got 169pf using 4.0g TG and 180g Bayou Bullets (1.135) using a KKM barrel. I tried using some Ranier plated in loads, and I consistently got about 50fps less velocity for a given powder charge in the major range.
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Had pretty much the same problem with a KKM in my G35 using Bayou Bullets TC bullets. The rounds would chamber, but when racking the slide back with a loaded chamber, sometimes the round would get stuck - really stuck. I sent the barrel and a couple of dummy rounds back to KKM, and they opened it up slightly to accomodate the lead .401 rounds at no charge.
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I have not shot this myself, but I recently loaded up 1k of rounds with 200g lead over 3.8g N320 for a friend. We chrono'd them at about 169pf from a G35. I cannot remember the barrel, but it was either a KKM, LW, or Storm Lake. He likes the load.
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Had a great year and an outstanding gator classic, once again. My shooting was sub par but I had an excellent time CROing stage 1 and I hope everyone who made it by my stage had a good time and enjoyed themselves. I'm always open to constructive criticism so if anyone saw anything I could do to improve, please let me know. I want to thank all of the shooters who were very safety conscious on my stage. With all of the 180 opportunities to be had, I think everyone did quite well.
Since you asked... I heard several people comment on the way you would end a run, saying "IF,,, you are finished..." in a way that made pretty much all of them think they had missed something and needed to go back and check! Granted, at least one person in our group forgot the two small poppers on the right. But seriously, great job on stage #1.
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I shoot two Gen4 G35's (one Limited, one Prod). I use 2.8g TG with180g Bayou Bullets or 3.4g TG with155g Bayou Bullets for Production minor loads. This is with a Jager rod and 13# spring.
For GSSF, with the stock rod/spring (Gen4 G22), I use 3.2g TG with 180g Ranier plated. Cycles fine for me, and drops the brass pretty much straight down.
Hope this helps,
David
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For your KKM, you can send it to them with some dummy rounds, and they will ream it out for free. I've had this done to 2 KKM barrels for my G35's, and both came back working great with Bayou Bullets.
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I used 3.4g TG with 155g Bayou Bullets to get 130pf out of a G35 with a KKM barrel. 1.135 OAL.
My loads tend to be lighter than much of what I see here, as the coated lead and KKM combo seems to be really fast, so you may need a slightly larger powder charge.
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Not exactly the same, but I have a G22 and two G35's. Bone stock, the G22 grouped better bench rested than either of the G35's. I wouldn't count on a G34 being more accurate than a G17, all other things equal.
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My 13# springs after several thousand rounds are about the length of an 11# spring. At that point, I start getting failures to return to battery.
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I too tried the .215 on my G35, then a .235, and settled on a .225. The .235 was dead on, but I tend to shoot a little low under the clock, so I went with the .225 (Dawson .115 wide) front. It has worked well for me at matches.
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I have run many thousand through both stock Glock barrels and a KKM barrel. No leading at all and really good accuracy. I have no trouble at all recommending Bayou Bullets. Donnie makes a great product, and he is a really nice guy too! Buy with confidence.
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Here's a reply from John (USPSA DNROI) about this situation:
David,
Here is what the rules in appendix D4 item 21.6 has to say about external parts.
21.6 Exchange of minor EXTERNAL components
Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, extractors and ejectors MAY be replaced with OEM or AFTERMARKET parts. Any other components which are externally visible may ONLY be replaced with OEM parts which are offered on the specific model of gun or another approved gun from the same manufacturer except as specifically clarified below. Examples of external components which may only be replaced with OEM parts include (but are not limited to): magazine releases, slide stops, thumb safeties and triggers.
A factory/OEM magazine release which extends only the length of the magazine release may be used. A magazine release which provides larger surface area (paddles, buttons) may only be used if it is an OEM part available on an approved model of gun.
What all this boils down to, is if the part is offered by the factory on a specific model handgun or on another model on the approved handgun list, it is legal to replace the standard with the extended.
John
Based on this, I would assume that the Glock part #8794 is only Production legal if it is offered as an OEM part on another Glock model that is approved for Production. Anyone know for sure if the G20/21 Gen4's have this installed from the factory? I ordered a couple of these to try out, and they do help enough (for me) to justify the swap.
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I have owned 6 Glock pistols - (2) Gen2's and (4) Gen4's. I have a G22 Gen4 bought in the summer of 2010 with about 2k trouble free rounds through it (using both the original and improved ejectors), and a G35 Gen4 bought last summer with at least 4k trouble free rounds through it using the old style ejector in a Glocktriggers.com kit. The other two Gen4's are safe queens at this point in time.
My only failures have been a result of seeing how low I could go with reloads and still have the gun cycle with the stock spring. The answer is - pretty low.
My personal opinion is to get the Gen4. The grip fits my small-medium hands better (with no backstrap), the texture is kick @ss compared to the Gen2's I own(ed) (both had Hogue wrap-arounds that added significant girth in the name of gripping power), and I like the mag release better (some do, some don't).
Not having owned a Gen3, I'll defer on giving an opinion, except to say you probably can't go wrong with it should you choose one. But I don't like to buy old models once the new models come out without a really good reason. And my experience says the Gen4's are good products.
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If it makes you feel any better, I have (2) G35's and a G22, and the G22 stock groups better than either G35 stock. I switched out to a drop-in KKM barrel in one G35 a while back, and the groups got noticeably tighter. But to be honest, that G35 now shoots about as well as the stock G22, using the same reloads in both guns. Go figure.
When someone tells you your Glock will shoot better than you can, well, I say it depends. I never grouped my G22 vs. my G35 bench rest until just before I shot a local Glock match last month. I was suprised how much better that G22 grouped over my stock second G35.
YMMV. Best of luck!
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I ordered (5) G22 mags off this special as well on Wednesday night I think. They arrived today in the mail. (5) brand new Gen4 mags of the latest variety. I know Botach has gotten a lot of bad reviews, but I've had a total of 3 orders with them in the last year, and all three were handled great for me. YMMV.
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I've shot TG as low as 2.9g with 180g Bayou Bullets, and accuracy for me was fine (G35, stock and KKM barrel). It was actually better for me than 2.8g Clays in the same gun. Not sure what to tell you, except maybe your powder measure is having trouble with consistency with the very light charge? Just a wild guess. I use a Dillon, and I cannot go much below 2.9g TG before I run out of adjustment with the measure.
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I'm thinking of purchasing a Gen3 35 Glock. Can I shoot 180 gr. Bayou Bullets out of the factory barrel, or will I need to purchase an after market barrel for good accuracy?
I shot probably 1k of Bayou Bullets though a G22 and G35 with the stock barrels, and I had no trouble with leading or any other deposits whatsoever. Accuracy was as good as any other bullet type/style. I bought a KKM drop in just for $!!!s and giggles, and I found that I could get better groups with it with both Bayou Bullets and Ranier plated. Others have found that the various drop ins were no better for them than the stock barrel.
The over-sized and gunsmith fitted barrel would be your best chance at increased precision in your groups. That being said, I have been happy with my KKM drop-in.
NOTE: A KKM barrel from the factory is sized for factory ammo. I had trouble with Bayou Bullets sticking in the throat of the barrel until I sent it back and had KKM open up the throat slightly. If you plan to use Bayou Bullets (or any lead), I'd suggest maybe ordering the barrel from KKM, sending them a couple of dummy rounds, and having them send you an opened up barrel to start with. That will save you the cost/time of shipping a barrel you bought somewhere else back to them. Other barrel manufacturers may have similar offers. Or you can tell Kevin at KKM you want a barrel just like he did for David a couple of weeks ago. He probably still has my BB dummy rounds on his bench.
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There's something wrong with you or your gun if the stock barrel only does 6 inches at 50 feet.
It probably does better than that. This was at a public range, without a good steady bench for support, and no chair to sit on. The point was that I could consistently do better with the KKM than the stock barrel, all other variables being the same.
ETA - These were also all 10 shot groups. In most instances, I would have 7-8 shots in a tigher pattern than the whole 10. I did have one 10 shot group through the KKM with all shots about 3". Perhaps my eyes are not as good as they used to be.
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Side question: did you notice any changes to accuracy and/or power factor and/or a bit of a Glock bulge after KKM opened up the throat?
I recently purchased a KKM barrel for my G35, and I found that while jacketed/plated bullets dropped in fine, my Bayou Bullet loads were a little too tight. KKM said to ship back to them with some dummy rounds, and they would adjust the barrel for me. Total time for the whole process, including shipping both ways, was 7 days. And no charge for the work. Perhaps Bar-Sto will do the same for you.
Got it back Thursday, and today is Sunday. Have not had a chance to shoot it yet. However, I will make a note to reply once I am able to test out the modified barrel. I did not chrono the KKM barrel before; sorry! Nothing to compare with.
As for "Glock Bulge," I have a LOT of brass shot through my own older Glocks and other barrels that reloaded just fine on my Dillon SD with no special effort that fired fine. This includes the last 500 or so loads though the KKM (including one match), before sending it back. Yes, when performing "show clear" at the match, several times I had to FORCE the slide back. This is the reason I knew I needed to address the throat issue. But I had NO failures at that one range session or the one match.
However, I will say that on the Polish plate rack and Texas star, at that match, I shot them VERY well. We will see how things work after the barrel mods, but based on how the casings feel in the chamber, it is still very tight. Kevin did not remove much metal.
Ran about 200 rounds through it today, and I am happy to say, accuracy was every bit as good as the pre-op barrel. No failures of any kind, and no "sticky" rounds in the chamber. My personal experience is that this KKM drop-in is more accurate than the stock Glock barrel. At the local indoor range (50' shooting on a sandbag), I was consistently keeping 9 of 10 rounds in a 4" circle today without much effort - sometimes better (one 10 shot 3" group). The stock barrel would mostly keep 10 rounds in a 6" circle, and say 7/10 in 4". I am very satisfied with my purchase and their work to open the throat up.
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Side question: did you notice any changes to accuracy and/or power factor and/or a bit of a Glock bulge after KKM opened up the throat?
I recently purchased a KKM barrel for my G35, and I found that while jacketed/plated bullets dropped in fine, my Bayou Bullet loads were a little too tight. KKM said to ship back to them with some dummy rounds, and they would adjust the barrel for me. Total time for the whole process, including shipping both ways, was 7 days. And no charge for the work. Perhaps Bar-Sto will do the same for you.
Got it back Thursday, and today is Sunday. Have not had a chance to shoot it yet. However, I will make a note to reply once I am able to test out the modified barrel. I did not chrono the KKM barrel before; sorry! Nothing to compare with.
As for "Glock Bulge," I have a LOT of brass shot through my own older Glocks and other barrels that reloaded just fine on my Dillon SD with no special effort that fired fine. This includes the last 500 or so loads though the KKM (including one match), before sending it back. Yes, when performing "show clear" at the match, several times I had to FORCE the slide back. This is the reason I knew I needed to address the throat issue. But I had NO failures at that one range session or the one match.
However, I will say that on the Polish plate rack and Texas star, at that match, I shot them VERY well. We will see how things work after the barrel mods, but based on how the casings feel in the chamber, it is still very tight. Kevin did not remove much metal.
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I recently purchased a KKM barrel for my G35, and I found that while jacketed/plated bullets dropped in fine, my Bayou Bullet loads were a little too tight. KKM said to ship back to them with some dummy rounds, and they would adjust the barrel for me. Total time for the whole process, including shipping both ways, was 7 days. And no charge for the work. Perhaps Bar-Sto will do the same for you.
When you say they were too tight what do you mean? Bullets hitting the rifling or the chamber a bit too tight? I have the same issue. Ammo will drop in stock barrel fine, and case gauge fine, but go in snuggly in my KKM barrel. It runs fine so far but I was looking into running my ammo through a push through die just in case.
The bullets were definitely not hitting the rifling - the shoulders of the 180g TC loads were getting stuck in the throat. When you pulled out a load that was forced in and got "stuck," you could see where the green moly coating was scraped off the shoulder of the bullet (between where the cone starts and where the bullet disappears into the case - does that make sense?). I believe the throat was set to .400 for factory ammo, and KKM opened it up to .401 or so for lead bullets. It helped tremendously.
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The mag is the limit in a Glock, not the barrel. You should be able to run 1.140 in both a stock Glock mag and a KKM barrel (I have both). I run 1.135 with no issues.
The KKM issue you are probably having is with 0.401 or 0.402 lead rounds. KKM will ream out your barrel for free if you send them the barrel and some dummy rounds. My lead and Bayou Bullets run fine now after they did that for me.