The Lee product is not as bad as they say and many who own them love them. I have two Lee Pro 1000s. One was my first progressive. I have to say that they are a good value for the money. You have to adjust the indexing properly, and blow out the mechanism once is a while if drift from inside your brass gets in it, but they work. The Pro 1000 is clearly for pistol, though they say you can reload .223. Consider this: you get a Lee Pro 1000 with all the dies and a case feeder for about $170 on Midway. That same setup puts you around $700 with other presses. The other presses are nice - don't get me wrong. The Lee is a great value for most pistol shooters given the volume that they reload.