Ok, so those of you that are as confused as I am about what's going on, it gets worse. I came home today and figured I would play around with some crimps. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the crimp is to avoid setback, correct? Well I made up a few dummy rounds. The first thing I decided to try was no crimp. This gave me a measurement of .378. No where near .375. I tried putting some thumb pressure on the round to see what kind of pressure it would take to get setback. Pushed hard, and harder yet till my thumb hurt. Nothing, no setback. I am using a Lee U die. Is this possible to get literally no setback with no crimp? I did the same pressure on all six dummies, case gauged them and chamber checked them. All good. Now I am so confused. By the way I rechecked a few rounds I had left from the weekend and they were not over crimped. They had a measurement of .376. Sorry to be a pain in the butt, but I'm off the confusion cliff. Would it make any difference that they are cmj instead of fmj if I'm not pushing really hot loads?