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Would folks be so kind as to post pictures of their 6-inch limited guns along with the weight of the guns and any other info. they may have about gun and load? I just finished my gun and am trying to make some decisions about things such as slide cuts, guide rod, grip frame, *thumb rest [generic]*, slide racker, etc. The photos will be a huge help to my overwhelmed brain. Thanks!
P.S. here is mine. It weighs 36.6ozs without a magazine. Frame is aluminum.
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No doubt Kart makes good barrels. When it comes to barrel choice, the main thing to me is that the specs are what they're supposed to be and quality is consistent from one barrel to the next. Most of the big name manufacturers have that down pretty good. If you pick from a reputable source, I'd say barrel fit is about 90% of the equation and choice of manufacturer is about 10%.
That sounds about right also.
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Oh. I get it. I was a bit slow on that one, lol.
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The reason the Bar-Sto bore finish is not as nice looking as the Kart is because the Bar-Sto is button cut rifled and the Kart is ECM. As for which barrel to choose, I would go with Nowlin for ECM or Bar-Sto for button cut. Both are top quality and both will shoot half inch at 25 yards.
That sounds right. I did not mean to imply that the Bar-Sto is less quality or less accurate. I am sure it is top quality. I was just saying that the Kart shoots LIGHTS OUT and is shiny inside.
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No. I am thinking of tungsten. I can get a titanium grip frame from PT. I know they are out there. I know Johnny Lim has built at least one gun using a tungsten grip frame for a European customer, who is reportedly a large, muscular gentleman. I guess I will ask Johnny about it at the next match.
if he wasn't before he will be
Soooo .... sounds like you know something. Go on.
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Kart does not make bull barrels. Period. I have 6-inch Kart bushing barrel in the limited gun I just completed. It is very accurate with lead bullets, which is the projectile Karts built their reputation on in the Bullseye world.
I have a Bar-Sto bull barrel that will go into my next build and it looks fine but the bore does not compare to the Kart to my eyes.
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No. I am thinking of tungsten. I can get a titanium grip frame from PT. I know they are out there. I know Johnny Lim has built at least one gun using a tungsten grip frame for a European customer, who is reportedly a large, muscular gentleman. I guess I will ask Johnny about it at the next match.
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I hear such things exist. Does anyone here have one? Where can they be purchased, how heavy are they, pics, issues, etc? Thanks!
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I have read this thread with interest. I think several valid points have been made.
1. Some people, maybe a lot, want PO.
2. Said people should get an action plan together.
3. Said people should shoot their PO guns in Open now.
4. People who do not want PO should get off this thread, lol
I am a big fan of just shooting what you have/like. I am currently running a Browning Hi-Power in L-10 shooting minor
Against full limited 2011s shooting major. I am having fun. I support PO. But if you want it to happen I agree that it will be a big help to your cause if people SEE THE GUNS AT MATCHES.
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I personally have seen 2 production optics guns now (at the weeknight steel challenge match I run). If I saw 3 or 4, I might consider scoring that division separately, but if 6 people complain about it and none of them show up to shoot those guns, I will just ignore them.
This also might be something where interest is different in different areas.
If you run a steel match where only two of 20 show up with optics, I can see your point of view. Same deal if your USPSA matches are mostly limited class and few production, it wouldn't look like there's a market - since you get no sense of demand for either optic or production - clearly not worth the effort in your area.
In our area, weekday fun steel is over 10 of 25 with optics (any both centerfire and rimfire), and USPSA matches are hitting 80-100 folks a match, where of that there are 25-30 production shooters a match. And our night match had over 40 shooters where all of them had weapons mounted lights for what were largely production rigs (with tac rails), and a few with light/laser combo. So my arguing 'for' probably based off what I see is a lot higher potential for this, than what you see from your area.
And that OK, one isn't better than the other, we each have to understand that our experience isn't the same as others.
Don't for get the one guy at the night match with night vision! Cannot wait for the Sept. match.
Okay, back to arguing about Production Optics ...
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I don't know the rules to well, but I think if the target is behind a wall you can't techincally aim at it even if you can see it through the wall. So the finger must be off the trigger.
You are correct. Walls are only see through to make things safer, etc. Best way to think of it is, "If that wall were solid there is no way you could engage through it or aim at a target".
The shooter got a valid warning and is lucky another RO who may not believe in warnings wasn't running him.
Interesting viewpoint. Is this just an opinion? or is there an nroi ruling/clarification to back it up. Seems like most instructors teach that you should have the gun up and be aiming before the target becomes available, all the more so if you can see it through a mesh wall.
The only times I've seen this called it was pretty blatant. I tend to think that if you've got the gun up and your looking through the sights in the direction of targets, you are aiming. If the gun is down, you should have your finger off the trigger when moving.
Regarding warnings, I totally believe in them. If i'm not certain of something, or if it was very close, I'll definitely let the shooter know afterwards. I know a few shooters may not appreciate that, but most do.
I strongly disagree that any time the gun is up the finger should be on the trigger. Yes, when moving into position the gun should be up before you enter the shooting location. Yes, when moving short distances both hands stay on the gun and the gun stays up. But in neither situation should the finger be on the trigger until you are aiming at the target and intend to shoot at it. That happens at the tail end of the movement into position and definitely not before you come around what ever barrier you are negotiating -- wall, barrel, boxes, etc., and have the ability to shoot the target.
About giving warnings. I am increasingly DECREASING my warnings to competitors about anything. In fact, I am trying to stick to necessary words only when ROing. I just find it helps everyone and everything if we all concentrate solely on our respective jobs at hand during the course of fire, as well as before and after. If I am not ROing, I might say something to the shooter after the run. If I am ROing I keep it to the rulebook, and give plenty of smiles and positive body language.
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I shoot steel with my SP01 Shadow. I shoot it DA. Once you get accustomed to the trigger, you will not even notice the first DA pull, nor the transition to SA. It is truly a non-issue. But as has been said, cocked and locked works fine too.
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I had a couple guns imported by EAA. I sold both of them precisely because getting parts or support of any kind, even accurate information, from EAA was impossible. They suck.
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I'm 51 and I have a least 15 HOA at locals this year and at least one 2nd/3rd in class at majors so far this year? Winning M Open at a major takes a pretty good performance in all areas since its a pretty skill filled class.
I have won before and not and know winning takes an extra amount of committment of time and money to achieve.
Does age matter? At this point no. Now I am spending as much time working out physically as shooting since I have to run with 22 year olds and it is taking me longer to get in shape. So what. Got notice from my app that midway through this year I have rode 250 miles on my bike and burned 15K cals This winter caused me a late start and I would have liked at least 25% more
GM/M requires no flaws in your game to win so no excuses. Most of this applies to other classes too.
Oh forgot I started this shooting when most people on here were in junior high school so I have a headstart on shooting skills. Read above. No excuses though. If you want to move up, make a plan, DO the plan.
This is the key. What kind of physical shape are you in? Spend more time working out than you do dry firing, a lot more. Do both, but workout. Strength, speed, endurance training. In the end, the physical fitness will be more valuable than the game skill anyway. I am 44 and I practice what I preach. I am a production master. But even better, I am in GOOD shape. :-)
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Lots of shooters love to buy, try, and sell guns. Nothing wrong with it. It is straight up fun to get a new gun and try it out.
As far as financial sense ... very few hobbies make financial sense! Thankfully, that is not what hobbies are about.
You are doing you. Nothing wrong with it. Carry on!
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We had the Golden Bullet Championship here in NorCal last weekend. We had 10 competitors in revolver division, including Grand Masters John Bagakis and Rich Wolfe. The GBC is a long-standing match and this is the most revolver shooters it has ever had. All 12 of them shot 8-shot minor. Maybe this rule change is worthwhile.
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Same order for me. I generally shoot 9mm in limited and 22 rifle, so folks have some way of valuing my opinion. Good discussion!
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Try USPSA if you enjoyed the adrenaline rush of IDPA. It is like going from stock racing to Formula 1.
Stay in the sport and grow. And, WELCOME!
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This question and variations of it point out the shortcomings in production rules. The intent is that a level playing field is created by limiting allowed pistols to "stock" configurations. As written, there isn't any allowance for copying a "stock" configuration. So you can buy an accu shadow from CZC or AA, but not build it in your shop, even though there would be no visible or functional difference, nor any competitive advantage.
Is it legal, no. Provided it was on a shadow slide would anyone know, no. Does it violate the spirit of the rules, no.
It does not violate the spirit of the rules, which is to provide a level playing field. Building an accu shadow would not tilt the playing field. It would, however, violate the letter of the rules as it is prohibited. The problem is that the literal rule violates the spirit of the rules. This should be changed.
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Kneelingatlas, I am inferring the intent as you say. But as has been stated, nroi agrees with me. Also, in uspsa, equipment can be inspected at any time by officials so they can know whether the device is a light or not when ever they like. A robbery victim cannot inspect the perpetrator's gun.
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A gun with no bullets used in a crime is still chargeable because the victim cannot tell it from a loaded gun and therefore it's use presents the same threat as a loaded gun and consequently the same risk of escalation and injury due to LE response, bystander intervention or victim resistance. A former light with no ability to emit light does not present the same risk of being used as a light during a stage run as does a light that can emit light. Apple's/oranges comparison.
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There is very little difference between any of the guns used in production. VERY little difference. Sometimes, a small difference can make a significant benefit to a shooter due primarily to physical limitations, but this is RARE in my opinion. After owning a lot of production-legal guns, I have come to the conclusion that I will shoot the gun that I have the most emotional connection to. In other words, I shoot what I like and want to be shooting. A gun I think is bad ass inspires me to practice more, shoot more matches, handle it more. As a result, I shoot it better and place better. So, just find what really lights your fire and shoot that.
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The rules do not say things that were designed to be flashlights are illegal. It says flashlights are illegal. If the object that formerly could produce a beam of projected light is rendered incapable of doing so, then it is not a flashlight. It is an object that used to be a flashlight. Makes sense to me.
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I'm quite sure that the first time somebody showed up with a tube red dot sight on their gun many years ago, everyone thought that it looked pretty dorky until they started winning with it.
Still looks dorky to me.
What's not to like about that? 
photos/weights of 6-inch limited 2011s
in 1911-style Pistols
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Come on. I can't get any 6-inch 2011 love?!