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Mr Greentie:
In an earlier thread you mentioned USCA was unlike IDPA in that you could leave loaded mags on the ground. The rulebook states:
Tactical Reload:
A Tactical Reload indicates a shooter must retain any exchanged magazine with remaining rounds. In a stage designating a Tactical Reload, a shooter dropping loaded magazines will receive a procedural penalty. Every shot taken while an extracted loaded mag lays on the ground is a procedural penalty. Rifle and Pistol magazines with no rounds in them may be dropped at the competitor’s discretion.
Which is it? Thanks for your reply.
A Tactical Reload can be mandated on "Narrative" stages. I've shot over 200 USCA courses of fire and can only remember 2 stages requring me to retain a loaded mag. So, unless the course of fire mandates retaining a loaded mag, you can drop loaded mags every reload.
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I'm regestered for the match and look forward to it. I have two questions.
1. I'm in tacops, the rule for compensators is (Muzzle device no larger than 1.25â in diameter and 3â in overall length), my Benny Hill rolling thunder comp is 3.5" overall and less than 3" from the muzzle is this legal? It's legal for tacops in all the other 3 gun matches.
2. I copied the below from the rule book...seems to contradict itself...maybe I'm reading wrong?
No Shoots
Hits on a No Shoot incur 15 second penalties. Shots that penetrate "Shoot Targets" and hit No Shoot targets count as a hit on No Shoots. The shooter still receives point on the shoot target but incurs the No Shoot penalty as well. *No more than 50% of the 0-second penalty area can be covered by a target required to be engaged, on any course of fire. The 0 Second penalty zones of a No Shoot must never be obstructed by more than 50% by a Shoot Target.
Shoot Throughs
All targets in USCA are considered impenetrable. Shooting a scoring target and having the bullet pass through and hitting a no shoot does NOT count as a hit on the no shoot. Conversely, shooting a no shoot and having the bullet pass through and strike a scoring target does not give the shooter the score of the bullet striking the scoring target.
1) The contradiction is a rulebook versioning issue and will be updated. Targets are impenetrable and a shoot throughs don't count as stated in the 2nd paragraph you quoted. This will be fixed. Thanks for clearing this up.
"Shots that penetrate "Shoot Targets" and hit No Shoot targets count as a hit on No Shoots. The shooter still receives point on the shoot target but incurs the No Shoot penalty as well."
2) Regarding Tac Ops muzzle brakes, we will only measure brakes in MilLe div at Nats. You're good to go.
Thank you for requesting clarification of these important rule issues. Have a great weekend and see you in November!
~Mac
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Are there still spots available for this match?
Spots are still available.
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Just got off the phone with Adams Arms and they will be holding a side match during Nationals. Gonna be a great event!
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Do you have to have two hits to neutralize a target or is one Alpha/-0 good to go?
Two hits. An Alpha and one hit anywhere else neutralizes. I'm going for 2 Alphas on each.
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I bet the fastest overall raw time doesnt win the match...! Keep that in mind while shooting this match. Charlie =+1 second and Delta as I recall + 3 seconds! Not to mention FTN's.
Yeah it's gonna be stand and shoot accurately which means slowly.
Pretty sure I'll be shooting on the move. But, if you have to stand still to shoot Alphas...do what ya gotta do.
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Does the light have to stay on the rifle for the entire match? Yes irons in the dark suck!
No. You can put it on for one stage and then be done with it.
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Looking thru the rules to see where a 1x optic fits - aimpoints and prismatics - and it looks like they fit in the mil spec division. However the rule states "fixed magnification", not 1x. To me "fixed" would be aimpoints and acogs in 4x and 6x, and a few other scopes. It sorta looks like a 1x will be up against magnified scopes?
As long as it is fixed it an be any magnification 1x, 3x, etc. i.e No magnification variability built into the optic.
This match will have shots out to 320 yds. BUT, that is on man sized steel. Running a 4x fixed may be an advantage on that stage but will be a detriment on a few of the short/fast stages...unless you're running offset irons AND can shoot Alphas at match speed with those irons.
We'll see if Jesse can pull it off
How deep are the bays?
Most are shallow 15-30yds. There are a few longer distance bays but they are the exception. Also, there will be a low-light stage and irons don't do well in the dark.
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Samson Manufacturing is now a sponsor. They shipped a box of awesome goodies for the prize table!
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Looking thru the rules to see where a 1x optic fits - aimpoints and prismatics - and it looks like they fit in the mil spec division. However the rule states "fixed magnification", not 1x. To me "fixed" would be aimpoints and acogs in 4x and 6x, and a few other scopes. It sorta looks like a 1x will be up against magnified scopes?
As long as it is fixed it an be any magnification 1x, 3x, etc. i.e No magnification variability built into the optic.
This match will have shots out to 320 yds. BUT, that is on man sized steel. Running a 4x fixed may be an advantage on that stage but will be a detriment on a few of the short/fast stages...unless you're running offset irons AND can shoot Alphas at match speed with those irons.
We'll see if Jesse can pull it off
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Official round counts for the match are in:
- Rifle: 247 rounds minimum
- Pistol: 105 rounds minimum
- Total rounds: 352
- 66 pieces of steel
*The counts above are minimum round counts. Given the possibility of make-up shots and potential stage re-shoots you may want to consider bringing 1.25x or 1.5x the minimum round counts outlined above.
- Rifle: 247 rounds minimum
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Is the match full?
Spots still available. Match fee increases Oct. 1st!
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2 stages designed.
Stage 1: 60-rounds total. Minimum 31 rifle and 29 pistol.
Stage 2: 53-rounds. Minimum 34 rifle, 15 pistol and 4 rifle or pistol.
Don't forget, match fee increases October 1st!
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Adams Arms has stepped up and thrown guns on the prize table. Adams Arms will be the official sponsor of Open DIvision.
Lots of guns starting to pile on the prize table.
Here is a subset of sponsors so far:
Title Sponsor :
Noveske Rifleworks
Division Sponsors:
Heavy Division - Knights Armament
Tac Ops Division - Magpul
Irons Division - Blueforce Gear
MilLe Division - Daniel Defense
Open DIvision- Adams Arms
Stage Sponsors :
Warne Scope Mounts
Kel-Tec
Associate Sponsors :
Spikes Tactical
Nightforce
Contributing Sponsor :
Wilson Combat
Viking Tactics
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It's September and the last month before the entry fee for the 2013 Noveske Rifleworks USCA National Championship increases.
$175 through September 30, 2013 ($150 for Juniors)
$200 on or after October 1, 2013 ($175 for Juniors)
Application date is based on postmark. -
Registration Number: 131
Can't wait.
~Mac
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Add Kel-Tec to the list of sponsors. They will be throwing 3 KSGs on the prize table!!!
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Edited: Added MVSA Choate Multi-Gun Melee, Hot Springs, AR -
Add Spike's Tactical to the list of guns on the table.
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Also, we're shooting out a max of 320yds right now. There is talk of shooting farther but we're thinking of holding back going out any farther. We plan on releasing stage details and diagrams 30-days before the match.
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New rule book allows for dication on 50% the stages at a national match!
So it does take a step closer to IDPA....
To be clear, a stage can be declared a "narrative" by simply requiring the first mag in your rifle must be downloaded to 10 rounds but the rest of the mags and course of fire is to division capacity and shoot'em as you see'em. . The only non-narrative stage is one where the stage description is something to the effect of "On start signal engage targets as they become visible". So USCA's definition of narratives is equivalent to stage directives in other shooting leagues.
I'm pretty certain there will be no IDPA-style stages at Nats. I'll be honest, I don't recall but one USCA club that even comes close to dictating an entire course of fire, and that's a "tactical" club. That's the whole reasons narratives were created, so guys that like to dress up and play army can dictate courses of fire at local matches at one club and guys that want to think for themselves and shoot their own game plan can at other matches at other clubs.
USCA is kinda like the United States, if you dont like one states laws you can move to a state that feel best aligns with your values. If you don't like playing dress-up don't shoot USCA Club X. If you like more run and gun shoot USCA Club Y.
Nationals will be a test of the competitors shooting ability not the competitors ability to remember directions, step-by-step.
Glad to hear that.. I am looking forward to the match.. the high round count looks awesome.
Stage 1 is a hose fest for sure. Minimum 30 rounds pistol, 31 rifle and tons of steel.
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New rule book allows for dication on 50% the stages at a national match!
So it does take a step closer to IDPA....
To be clear, a stage can be declared a "narrative" by simply requiring the first mag in your rifle must be downloaded to 10 rounds but the rest of the mags and course of fire is to division capacity and shoot'em as you see'em. . The only non-narrative stage is one where the stage description is something to the effect of "On start signal engage targets as they become visible". So USCA's definition of narratives is equivalent to stage directives in other shooting leagues.
I'm pretty certain there will be no IDPA-style stages at Nats. I'll be honest, I don't recall but one USCA club that even comes close to dictating an entire course of fire, and that's a "tactical" club. That's the whole reasons narratives were created, so guys that like to dress up and play army can dictate courses of fire at local matches at one club and guys that want to think for themselves and shoot their own game plan can at other matches at other clubs.
USCA is kinda like the United States, if you dont like one states laws you can move to a state that you feel best aligns with your values. If you don't like playing dress-up don't shoot USCA Club X. If you like more run and gun shoot USCA Club Y.
Nationals will be a test of the competitors shooting ability not the competitors ability to remember directions, step-by-step.
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Add Blue Force Gear to the ever growing list of sponsors!
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you're going to calibrate rifle steel with a 55gr 223 bullet at 2900fps at 40yds!?!?!?!?!?!?
is the association going to reimburse clubs for holey steel targets?????Also, we get to learn another "new" required target, and, we have finally got most matches to run 4moa targets so that iron sight/1x shooters can see them, and you will allow targets smaller than that from 250-400, and again from aprox. 425-500, I understand that larger is acceptable but you're advocating smaller to be acceptable in your rules.
Hope all goes well, Trapr
Thanks for your feedback. Have a great weekend!
is the association going to reimburse clubs for holey steel targets?????
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Suppressors are not considered muzzle devices. Shooting tac ops with a suppressor is a great idea and a ton of fun!