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My son and I shoot open with a lot of super going down range. Dry tumble was a major pain in the arse, I went the SS wet method a couple years ago and have never looked back. I do make the extra effort to resize and deprime before cleaning but the results are well worth the effort. Shop around and buy yourself a Kushlan Lady Bug cement mixer, rated for 160lbs. Throw in 10 lbs or more media and use your favorite cleaning solution. Mine is Dawn dish soap with a table spoon of Lemishine, and if I really want to make a batch look like new, I'll add in a half cup of ammonia, I know, I know, ammonia degrades brass, but to date have not had any issues with pistol pressures. The brass looks like new and I still get 6 to 8 reloads before the case splits or the primer pocket gets loose. I let the brass tumble for about 90 minutes, rinse it off in my dry media separator with a constant supply of clean water, just let the hose run in the media bucket, shake out the excess water and spread it all out on a towel. Let dry over night and load the next day. If your in a real hurry, spread out on a cookie sheet, don't forget to line with foil, saves the nag session later, and throw in the oven at about 175 till dry, another option, best to wait till the woman of the manor is gone, is to throw them in an old pillow case, tie off securely and let em rattle around in the dryer.

I use 7.8g, Starline SC brass, 1.245 oal and most any primer I can get, averages about 1380 fps.

My son shoots open, we shot a local match yesterday with cm06-01 being the classifier. He dropped 12 points in 5.88

The original inquiry was, "As an aside, any speculation as to what drove the idea that once a firearm is dropped, a second individual must become the responsible party in the retrieval process?" You've gotten a good number of speculative responses thus far, and unless Troy or one of the more seasoned Board members checks in to answer, that may well be all you'll get here. In the meantime it might be worth an email to DNROI for some definitive background on the dynamics of that decision. Please post any replies you receive here so we all can learn the answer. I posed this question to the NROI early last week and have not received any response. Given that Amidon is undoubtedly getting ready for Nationals, it may take some time to get an official answer.... Still waiting for a response......

The original inquiry was, "As an aside, any speculation as to what drove the idea that once a firearm is dropped, a second individual must become the responsible party in the retrieval process?" You've gotten a good number of speculative responses thus far, and unless Troy or one of the more seasoned Board members checks in to answer, that may well be all you'll get here. In the meantime it might be worth an email to DNROI for some definitive background on the dynamics of that decision. Please post any replies you receive here so we all can learn the answer. I posed this question to the NROI early last week and have not received any response.

First, we don't see that many different firearms at most matches. Most of us shoot --- and shoot a fair number of guns. We may have as much or more experience than you do with your particular blaster. Second, nothing prevents us as ROs from either asking the owner of the blaster a question, or from simply securing the scene, and asking someone to fetch another RO who happens to shoot that brand of blaster..... And yes, if there were to be a lawsuit following a discharge, I'd expect the RO to get named in the suit --- whether he's the person handling the gun or supervising. Since that's most likely the case --- if I'm going to have to expose myself to liability for the shooter's error, then I'll also assume responsibility for fixing it in the manner I deem best to avoid such a discharge and the subsequent lawsuit. While there would be no doubt that everyone involved would be named in a lawsuit, my guess is that the person handling the firearm at the time of injury would have most of the blame laid at their feet. Litigators love it when they can get you, the defendant, to admit that your action was based on what you "deemed best". Before this turns into a discussion of legalese, back to the question of what drove the decision to require a RO to retrieve a dropped firearm as opposed to having the owner retrieve it while under the supervision and guidance of a RO?

Sandman has hit the nail on the head with this. I would add that if one bothered to read the manufactures directions that comes with a new firearm, you will likely find a warning stressing that you must fully understand the operation of said firearm before attempting to use it. That being said, how many RO's have read and fully understand the operation of each firarm they are likely to encounter? Does the "liability" transfer to the RO handling the firearm? While there may be some concern to the shooters ability to properly clear a firearm due to adrenaline, excitement, fear or any other condition, I would submit that we as competitors handling our personal firearm are far more qualified to clear our own dropped firearm than any one else. Obviously this process would be done under the direct supervision of an RO and all penalties would remain in effect. Still the question remains, What drove the rules to require another person to "retrieve" a dropped firearm as opposed to the owner/operator?

You would think so huh? Good question. No I don't think so. 10.5.3 "a competitor" . If RO is shooting he is not a competitor at that time of ROing. PS always clear people downrange of a loaded gun. Its safe and I have a personal credo. You point a loaded gun at me, I get to do the same to you. So, Is that to say the RO gets a free pass on gun handling? As an aside, any speculation as to what drove the idea that once a firearm is dropped, a second individual must become the responsible party in the retrieval process?

You would think so huh? Good question. No I don't think so. 10.5.3 "a competitor" . If RO is shooting he is not a competitor at that time of ROing. PS always clear people downrange of a loaded gun. Its safe and I have a personal credo. You point a loaded gun at me, I get to do the same to you. So, Is that to say the RO gets a free pass on gun handling?

How about this senario; Shooter drops gun, RO retrieves gun and procedes to drop it again. Double DQ?