bikerburgess
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Not just outlaw 3 gun, USPSA multi gun does it tooDo it all the time in outlaw 3Gun, one for rifle, one for pistol. [emoji317]
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For a happy girl friend try a heavy bullet and a fast powder at minor, they shoot soft and are quiet. Also with very little powder you get very little gas to work the comp so their is a pretty good chance it will run with the same spring as your major load.
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a couple concerns from what I have read, if a shot from the start location was for some reason dangerous, making ready in a alternate location does nothing to solve the issue after the start signal so the stage needed to be modified to remove the hazard. if the concern was an AD into a barrel vs not and for some reason the barrels presented a real ricochet hazard (heavy gauge steel?) then asking the shooter to step to the side would be reasonable, asking them to walk down range seems odd.
my theory for being an RO is I am not there to "RUN" the shooter I am just there as a safety check and to ensure an equitable competition. if there was a way to not be there and perform these duties that would be best but its not so I strive to be as little disruption to the shooter as possible, it is there stage to run, from the shooter stepping up to make ready till range is clear I'm just there to watch.
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^^^^^ this
Look at the NRR rating of your ear pro. Most foam plus are around 30, a large portion of the muffs I see are low 20s (yes you can get good ones but that takes a little effort) then you put some glasses on, breaking the seal between your head and the muff and they do even less
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wait a list of guns with no way to know what is what, is not a great solution for having easy and equally enforced rules?
at least you had an RO that was attempting to enforce the rules (incorrectly however as you can only be bumped to open for non compliance with division requirements 6.2.5.1) we went through 2 USPSA Production nationals where the rules at the time of the match prohibited a plastic grip plug in a GLOCK, I strongly suspect that many if not most of the GLOCKS at those matches had them, yet nobody was moved to open for it, so either I am wrong and everyone knew they were illegal and removed them or something this obvious and easily checked was not either checked or enforced.
sorry for the rant but rules that can not or are not always enforced and enforced equally are bad for the sport.
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What we have been doing for re shoots is have the shooter add themselves as a wallk on on the stage nook after their first run(that way you are sure their first entry gets the first try score) then reshoot and enter the new score under their new entry. When we sync everything up at the end their second entry gets a 2 added to the name by practiscore and we can create the classifier report on the Ipad and upload to USPSA.
The only issue with not deleting them from the match, results wise, is if the reshoot sets a new high hit factor fit their division. IF that happens you will want to delete the entry after making the classifier report then upload the match results
If you don't manually delete their second entry they will show up on the results but that's not a issue any of the local shooters have mentioned to me, and they are normally quick to let me know if they don't like something.
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I don't care much about making PCC and open competitive, but unlimited-capacity is going to hurt PCC just like Open guns did to USPSA before Limited came along and Limited did to new shooters before Production came along.
When you have to buy "that gun and that special magazine" to be competitive (aka: "buying a win"), it's a barrier to entry and makes the gun choice boring. Sponsors and manufacturers except those that make 'that gun' and 'that mag' are nowhere to be seen.
In Production different guns can play somewhat equally, especially at the local level. The same for 30 round PCCs. It's the default capacity for the vast majority of commercial, LE and military pistol carbines. A shooter can buy most any pistol carbine today and get, in the box or off the shelf, a 30-ish round mag (assuming they live in a free state):
Beretta CX4 Storm comes with a 20 round mag (Beretta sells a factory 30 for about $25)
9mm ARs use Glock/Colt/Uzi/Sten mags. Standard ones hold 30-33
AR 45 & 10mm use Grease Gun mags that hold 30
Tommy guns: 30 or 50 rd drum (+$250 for the drum)
CZ Scorpion: 20 (CZ sells a factory 30 for cheap)
IWI Tavor: 32 round
Kel Tec 9: Beretta or Glock 9 mags
Kel Tec 40 : Beretta or Glock 40 mags
SIG MPX: 30
Semi-auto Sten: 32
Sterling Sporter: 34
UZI carbine: 32
ATI Mil Sport: Glock mags
HK MP5 & clones (MKE, POF, etc) : 30
Mech Tech: Glock, XD or STI mags
Hi Point: 10 (sorry guys..)
Some of those will be better than others for PCC, but at least they aren't left behind right out of the box and we aren't back to telling people "Thanks for coming out, but if you want to do well, you need to drop $2000 on this certain gun and $500 on these magazines". USPSA didn't grow a lot in those years.
You, get to be the RO that has to count to 30 all the time. I am pretty sure nobody will count that high while running shooters so that makes it a rule that will not be properly enforced, that sounds like a bad way to start a division.
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As a MD if I can talk my ranges BOD into allowing them (range policy on pistol bays) I can guarantee I will change nothing in the stages I design and set up. I believe the whole point of adding PCC is because there are shooters that want to shoot them on the stages we are presenting now. Changing the stages is the last thing those interested in shooting PCC want, they have seen (and probably shot) our stages and want to shoot them with their carbine, walls. ports, odd angled leans, weak and strong side only, all of it. So far as I can tell the only "change" that has been talked about is start positions for the PCCs only, and even I'm smart enough to be able to remember that the guys with the long guns start facing down range.
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Can shoot in all the games is probably the wrong question. You CAN shoot just about anything without an optic in all three games. I think you are looking for a list of guns that will be competitive in the three different games in one of the popular divisions in each game.
So assuming multi gun TO, IDPA SSP, and USPSA Production you probably want something like a G34 (or 17) or Smith M+P if you like striker fired guns or a CZ 75 (or variant) or P09 , a Tanfoglio limited pro if you prefer traditional DA pistols.
The Springfield XDm will work for all the but you will end up in ESP
All the above would be 9mm
You can also have a ton of fun shooting a 9mm 2011 in all three games in TO, limited(shooting minor), and ESP you just need to get one with a short dust cover so it's IDPA legal
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With a GLOCK 17 production gun I run about .16-.18 on a 7yd target. With my 627 Revo .25 is about my limit
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If I can get the lazy ass that makes my ammo (me) to do his job right mine runs like a top.
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That's true, but this statement in App D4 precludes using a listed exemption to justify one that is not listed.
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Specifically prohibited modifications and features
Please note that the absence of an item in the list of prohibited modifications MAY NOT be construed to mean a modification is allowed. A modification is only allowed in Production Division if there is a rules clause or interpretation which specifically declares that it is allowed in the Division.
This is my least favorite section of the rule book.
D4-21 says if its not specifically listed as legal it isn't. What is the use of a incomplete list of what some of those non legal items may be
What it does do is allow certain things to be deemed illegal without having to wait for 2 years between equipment rule changes. (wait, did I just say that?
)No it doesn't.
D4-21 would allow things to be made legal through a DNROI ruling without the 2 year wait. remember in Production EVERYTHING is illegal unless it is specifically allowed (D4-21 and DNROI rulings) D4-22 is a list of illegal things that says to start off that it is not a complete list. If EVERYTHING that is not listed in the rules and rulings is illegal why do we have a list of what some of those items are?
also I have seen high ranking officials erroneously use the list in D4-22 to say something IS legal when the rule itself says it cant do that.
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That's true, but this statement in App D4 precludes using a listed exemption to justify one that is not listed.
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Specifically prohibited modifications and features
Please note that the absence of an item in the list of prohibited modifications MAY NOT be construed to mean a modification is allowed. A modification is only allowed in Production Division if there is a rules clause or interpretation which specifically declares that it is allowed in the Division.
This is my least favorite section of the rule book.
D4-21 says if its not specifically listed as legal it isn't. What is the use of a incomplete list of what some of those non legal items may be
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I have seen something like that (the failed to parse match data part, I don't remember the code stuff) it happened to me when I made a change to the entry form options after registration started. I believe what happens is the data gets jumbled because it doesn't all match so the system just says no. the guys at support are GREAT and will help you get the match downloaded, you may end up loosing some of the entry data in the process so its a good idea to go through the match and your online registration information to make sure they match. (when I had this issue I lost my classes ,junior, lady, ect)
Mike
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I'd be willing to bet Carmonys hammers are pretty light. I know my hammer that I cut down similar to a picture of his work is lighter than the apex in my other gun
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for posting to practiscore the best advice I can give is decide a name for your match (club name, location, your favorite color, whatever) and use it the same way when you name you match when you make the match in Praciscore. this way when people search for the match they only need to enter one search and they will get all your matches.
a nice thing is to figure out if there is all ready another club with a similar name to what you are thinking (easy to check just search for it) if there is try something else. I got lucky, there are no other clubs using names that start DUN so thats ull anyone needs to enter to find all of our matches.
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I just updated a bunch of nooks and ran into one of your issues.
The pre installed icon on the home page quit working but I could go to the apps page and open it there. To fix this you need to unlock the home screen and delete that icon then put the new app icon back on the home screen.
To unlock the home screen, hit the little button at the top of the screen that is a circle with three lines in it (the right hand one of the two tiny icons in the center of the header) then in the window that opens hit more then hit unlock screen, then hold on the old icon until a window opens then hit delete remove then hit the file icon to see all the installed apps (file at the bottom center of screen) and lastly drag the PS icon back to the home screen. If you want you can relock the home screen
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Franken GLOCK
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No for LOUD you need a 357 sig [emoji4]
Once you are around a shorty 38 with holes or hybrid or something, you will see what I mean.Gooldlocks, the only open 38s or sc I've seen are old school with no holes, just a comp. They are loud, but no where near the 9mm Major LOUD.
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For those saying as close as possible with standard measuring equipment you do understand that a regular old tape measure, measures to about .030 (1/32")
What I use as a rule of thumb is does whatever inaccuracy affect the actual shooting challenge?
Targets not properly overlayed with no shoots and or hardcover would be a big problem as it directly affects scoring on the target.
A target that is only 4'-10" at the shoulder because the rock that is our bay floor has shifted and let the target sticks sink, I don't see as a problem.
Targets that are supposed to be 2' off the centerline that somehow end up 26" probably not a problem either, unless it causes a issue with other targets in the stage. With most of the target stands I have seen there could be that much movement during the day just from squads tapping and resting the targets all day
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Can you show me where that limit is?
Sure like staging them on barrels.
Ok what rule is that?Reloading devices are very important. The challenge in carrying something while engaging targets is just that, but it allows you to do it however you wish. You can stick it between your legs and shoot freestyle or carry it in your weak hand and shoot strong hand only, etc.
Most of these say something like carry object and place it in a particular location, or use the carried prop to activate something at the end of the stage. Your problem, you solve it.
I see where the rules mention unless the WSB says something else mags come from your pouches. That makes it pretty clear that the WSB Can stipulate something else.
Not saying it makes for great stages, but you have stated it's against the rules
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Ok what rule is that?Reloading devices are very important. The challenge in carrying something while engaging targets is just that, but it allows you to do it however you wish. You can stick it between your legs and shoot freestyle or carry it in your weak hand and shoot strong hand only, etc.
Most of these say something like carry object and place it in a particular location, or use the carried prop to activate something at the end of the stage. Your problem, you solve it.
I see where the rules mention unless the WSB says something else mags come from your pouches. That makes it pretty clear that the WSB Can stipulate something else.
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You may use props to force the shooter to solve a problem. How they solve that problem though is up to them. Forcing them to choose a pre established solution, via the WSB, is not freestyle.
Example: stage requires magazines pre-staged on barrels through the course. You can not penalize me for going to each barrel, putting those mags into my pouches, and then shooting the stage.
why would using your mag pouches after the beep be different, in relation to freestyle, than mandating carrying something? I'm not trying to be a pain I just don't understand your argument that some kinds of limitations from the WSB are OK during the course of fire but this particular one is not.
I am not saying that having lots of limitations in the WSB is a good thing, just that it is legal
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I shot the match, if I recall the WSB, "Magazines on table, magazines used during COF cannot come from the belt or put onto shooter's magazine pouch"
First stage from the video below is the stage.
IMO, an illegal stage as it violates freestyle after the buzzer.
would you also say a stage requiring you to hold or carry something while shooting is also illegal? that would fall under the same not freestyle after the buzzer would it not? Freestyle is not limiting how you solve the problem presented it has no bearing on the problem itself. in the case in question the problem is where you can and cannot put you ammo
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9mm Major with MINIMUM blast and MAX softness
in 9mm/38 Caliber
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Yea, sub minor makes for a Looooong ride home