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New 3GN rules are in the mix..
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Thanks for the kind words Jesse..i would say building the junior part of the game is a big priority for us at tarheel3gun:
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Registration for the 2015 Bushmaster Tarheel 3-Gun Challenge opens on November 9th at 9pm EST.
Match details: Bushmaster Tarheel 3-Gun Challenge
When: April 18th and 19th, 2015
Where: Woody's Hunt and Rifle Club in New Hill, NC
More info here: http://secure.campaigner.com/Campaigner/Public/t.show?7kc8v--3t2d8-vlgpxo8&_v=2
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I'd like to thank the staff and everyone else that helped put on such a great match. I really think that a lot of times the Ro's make or break a match, and I will say that each one that I encountered was professional and extremely helpful. The stages were straight forward and provided a lot options and the range facilities/bays were awesome. One thing I would like to see changed is the tube audit being conducted in the start box. I am all for conducting the inspection but I think it would be just as effective being done before stepping into the box. Maybe have everyone preload the guns after stage brief, stage them at the preload table/rack, and just randomly choose two shotguns off the preloaded table/rack? If the shooter has to handle/check his/her shotgun they can ask Ro and then it can be subject to a re-inspection if need be. I can't wait to shoot the match next year, just hope I can register in time.
Thanks again,
JG
This is something you will see next year...great suggestion (without emotion and un-needed drama)...keep this type of suggestions rolling!!
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Everyone.......something I've found to be constructive as of late. Start a one on one dialogue with the MD from the match about areas where you think there could be improvements made, voice your concerns and offer suggestions as to how things might be fixed. I've found Mr. Sole to be responsive and encouraging about receiving concerns and possible solutions/ideas.
Thanks for the kind words....I will always consider CONSTRUCTIVE input...that is how we build better widgets. All we are trying to do is to grow the game of 3gun.
On the flight back home I realized all 2014 the majors for me are complete. It was a landmark season! With the events we have held at Tarheel3gun and 3 Gun Nation I have had the awesome pleasure to be with over 3,500 folks that love this sport we call 3 gun...that tells me that this game has a long future ...it is what fuels me to keep moving forward.
I hope to see ya on the range next year...looks like we will have SIX 3gunnation regionals in 2015....I can not wait!
I don't get on the forums often..
Email or call with your thoughts
Charles@3gunnation.com
9192017990
See ya on the range.
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Lots of DQ'd shooters. Weather related?
Looking at scores from other major matches regrading DQs...the SW regional appears to be in the norm?
https://practiscore.com/results.php?uuid=C459C4C1-5321-4AA9-9151-A1E7C8C0C411&page=matchCombined
https://practiscore.com/results.php?uuid=a06b59df-33c3-4354-8214-c6621aa8711b&page=matchCombined
https://practiscore.com/results.php?uuid=9b90b3de-88a4-4559-b859-eed3974ccb50&page=matchCombined
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Did I miss where a sponsor list is posted? Thanks.
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My two cents:
The stages were fun. Got a solid mix of everything.
The schedule was rough, but that is nobody's fault.....just bad timing for rain to come through. Otherwise, I was really excited for the 1/2-day format.
The ROs/MD that I saw were trying to be fair and trying to give equal playing field it appeared. It is a small thing but when the MD comes around to personally explain why/how the schedule is getting goofy, that is appreciated. They were giving warnings about things to watch out for, be careful about, etc. Personally I didn't see attitudes, but they looked tired and had to be after RO'ing a schedule like that. So, nice job.
Rule 5.5 or whatever it is about getting a match DQ for putting a gun down on a table on stage2 is sad. I don't like it; it comes across as petty. Putting a gun down in a safe manner, facing downrange shouldn't get you booted from a match. If you want to make it a stiff procedural for not following the stage description/rule, that would make some sense. But it doesn't make a lot of sense to send someone home for tabling a gun safely when a stage later a guy can bounce a shotgun out of a dump barrel and it lands pointed back uprange (albeit empty but how am I supposed to know that?), argue that the barrel isn't staked acceptably despite it not tipping over, and then gets a reshoot. I don't blame the guy for debating the barrel's stability or am questioning his character, but the penalties in this case are not just. I've seen a barrel that wasn't weighted well at all fall over from a rifle put in with 2X more care than that shotgun was and the rifle guy got sent home. So, the lesson here is that it is ok to throw a shotgun around, but laying a pistol down facing uprange is a no-no (and the stage course doesn't even move uprange of the pistol)?
10rd mag tube audit.........I don't have a problem with it. Although I think it is rough to make a guy unload on the line, then load back up, and get back in the moment so to speak. Obviously cheating is the target here........so Kurt's suggestion is pretty clean way to do it without messing up the shooting order.......that way, you aren't icing some guy on the line.
Good facility. Seemed like the traffic control and room for parking, etc. worked out well enough.
The sponsors stepped up huge.
This one seemed like it could have been a stiff stage procedural also. Stage7. Why a match DQ on it? Was the shot at that last right steel unsafe? The distance was well over 10 yards, so did it angle somewhere unsafe? I didn't get a chance to check the angle/background of that target from the last dump barrel.One engaged a target after the marker stating where it had to be engaged from.
My two cents:
The stages were fun. Got a solid mix of everything.
The schedule was rough, but that is nobody's fault.....just bad timing for rain to come through. Otherwise, I was really excited for the 1/2-day format.
The ROs/MD that I saw were trying to be fair and trying to give equal playing field it appeared. It is a small thing but when the MD comes around to personally explain why/how the schedule is getting goofy, that is appreciated. They were giving warnings about things to watch out for, be careful about, etc. Personally I didn't see attitudes, but they looked tired and had to be after RO'ing a schedule like that. So, nice job.
Rule 5.5 or whatever it is about getting a match DQ for putting a gun down on a table on stage2 is sad. I don't like it; it comes across as petty. Putting a gun down in a safe manner, facing downrange shouldn't get you booted from a match. If you want to make it a stiff procedural for not following the stage description/rule, that would make some sense. But it doesn't make a lot of sense to send someone home for tabling a gun safely when a stage later a guy can bounce a shotgun out of a dump barrel and it lands pointed back uprange (albeit empty but how am I supposed to know that?), argue that the barrel isn't staked acceptably despite it not tipping over, and then gets a reshoot. I don't blame the guy for debating the barrel's stability or am questioning his character, but the penalties in this case are not just. I've seen a barrel that wasn't weighted well at all fall over from a rifle put in with 2X more care than that shotgun was and the rifle guy got sent home. So, the lesson here is that it is ok to throw a shotgun around, but laying a pistol down facing uprange is a no-no (and the stage course doesn't even move uprange of the pistol)?
10rd mag tube audit.........I don't have a problem with it. Although I think it is rough to make a guy unload on the line, then load back up, and get back in the moment so to speak. Obviously cheating is the target here........so Kurt's suggestion is pretty clean way to do it without messing up the shooting order.......that way, you aren't icing some guy on the line.
Good facility. Seemed like the traffic control and room for parking, etc. worked out well enough.
The sponsors stepped up huge.
This one seemed like it could have been a stiff stage procedural also. Stage7. Why a match DQ on it? Was the shot at that last right steel unsafe? The distance was well over 10 yards, so did it angle somewhere unsafe? I didn't get a chance to check the angle/background of that target from the last dump barrel.One engaged a target after the marker stating where it had to be engaged from.
The green line served as a warning..an attempt to prevent a DQ...and in that case it was required by the range. This is a by product of giving competitors a choice of firearm....not an attempt to DQ someone. Natural terrain set up is tricky and lines and boxes are used to prevent a competitor from shooting in the wrong direction.
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I did notice that no-one was saying anything good or bad until the "no love" comments started. I'll bet that if that hadn't come up there would have been a nice little discussion on the match it's self. I think the problem is compounded by nothing posted here and very little posted there causing angst for those wanting info and those pointing out there isn't much. From what I am gathering, it is best to become friends with Tenille and Charles, and that way get updated.
We have sent out many updates regarding this match, I am a big believer of one on one communication...our emails and phone numbers are public....I welcome questions and concerns ...
One of MANY updates:
Hello Shooters!
The match is quickly approaching and we have a few more updates.
First - THE NEW STUFF –
ALL SHOOTERS AND SPECTATORS must sign a waiver upon entering the park. Waivers for the park and the shooting club have been attached. Please print a copy and bring it with you. You will not be permitted on the range without all 3 of these forms.
The range is in a park that has a strict 15 mph speed limit. Out of courtesy to the park, the shooting club, and the rangers we ask that you follow the speed limit. Failure to observe the speed limit could result in disastrous consequences (read “Match DQ”) for not obeying the rules of the range.
Just a heads up that if you plug in the address of the range, many GPS systems will try to take you 7 miles west of Marble Falls. The range is actually 7 miles East of Marble Falls. A map and driving directions can be found at this link RANGE DIRECTIONS. The range website is Copperheadclub.com
Food will be available on the range compliments of Foodapalooza. Menu and pricing options will follow.
ROUND COUNT – has been upped a little -plan on 140 Pistol, 140 Rifle, 15 Slugs, and 100 Shot. Course descriptions will not be released prior to the event. You can safely assume there will be one long shotgun stage.
Slings will not be required for this event.
SHOOTING SCHEDULE AND SQUAD MATRIX have been attached to this email.
SIDE MATCHES – There are a number of great side matches going on during the event! More information will follow.
OLD STUFF –
The match is a two day format, October 11th-12th with awards immediately following the completion of shooting on Sunday. The range is COMPLETELY CLOSED until Friday at the specified time, which is 2:00 PM.
Squads 1-8 will shoot AM on Sat and PM on Sunday. Squads 9-14 will shoot the opposite schedule.
HOST HOTEL
The Hampton Inn will be our host hotel for this event. This hotel is approximately 15 minutes from the range. They have guaranteed us a rate of $139 for weekdays $169 Weekends. Please ask for 3-Gun Nation in order to receive this rate. This property serves a hot breakfast daily. Their complete contact information is listed below
Hampton Inn on the Lake
704 First St.
Marble Falls, Texas 78654
830-798-1895
http://www.marblefallshotel.com/
Copperhead Creek Shooting Club
For those of you who have not attended an event at this location, you will be able to drive to most of the bays. You are more than welcome to bring your own ATV for use. The address for the range, as well as web-site, is listed below.
Copperhead Creek Shooting Club
7030 E. FM 143
Marble Falls, Texas 78654
www.copperheadclub.com
Copperhead Creek Shooting Club also has several large bunkhouses that will sleep 8 people each. There is one large bathhouse with these. These are brand new facilities that just opened on July 4th! I believe the cost is around $100 per night per bunkhouse. Linens and bedding are not provided. I can send pictures if you are interested. Reservations for these accommodations must be made directly through the range. Please call Thomas at 830-265-4950 to make reservations.
3-GUN NATION GEAR
3-Gun Nation Regional Competitors can benefit from a 25% discount on all soft goods and 10% off all hard goods in the 3-Gun Nation E-Store. Each has a promo code at check out. Soft Goods: 3GNREGIONAL25; Hard Goods: 3GNREGIONAL10. Visit www.3GunNationestore.com to take advantage.
Respectfully,
The 3-Gun Nation Team
Charles Sole
Charles@3gunnation.com
919-201-7900
Tennille Chidester
Tennille@3gunnation.com
208-447-6553
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March 6-8: Area 6 Multigun Championship, Frostproof, FL
March 14-15 Remington Versa Max/Tarheel3gun Shotgun Challenge, New Hill NC
?? 3GN Southeast Regional Championship, Clinton, SC
?? 3-Gun Nation Pro Series Event #1
March 27-29: 20th Superstition Mountain Mystery 3-Gun Mesa, AZ
Task Force Dagger 3Gun Championship, Legion OTG, Blakely, GA.
April
April 18-19: Tarheel 3 Gun Challenge, New Hill NC
April 10-12: Texas Gulf Coast Multi-Gun Championship
April 24-26: X-Treme Bullets Texas 3 Gun Championship, Marble Falls, TX
?? 3-Gun Nation Pro Series Event #2, Tulsa, OK
?? USPSA Multi-Gun Nationals, Las Vegas, NV
May
?? 3-Gun Nation Pro Series Event #3
May 16: Pikes Peak Shotgun Challenge presented by Shooters Source, Colorado Springs, CO
May 30-31: He-Man National 3-Gun Championship - NRA Whittington Center, Raton, NM
??? Pandemic 2015, Grand Island, NE
June
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June 6: MEGA stage match, Byers, CO
?? Midwest 3 Gun Championships, Fayette, MO
?? MGM Ironman (O, L, HO, T), Parma, ID
?? MGM Ironman (Tac-Scope), Parma, ID
June 27-28: 5th Annual Nordic Components Tactical Shotgun Championship, Forest Lake, MN
July
?? Northwest Multigun Challenge, COSSA Range, Bend, OR
?? VersaMax Shotgun Challenge, New Hill, NC
August
August 13-16: Rocky Mountain 3-Gun World Championship - NRA Whittington Center, Raton, NM
August 13-16: Crimson Trace Midnight 3 Gun , Bend, OR
?? 3GN Midwest Regional Championship, Park City, KY
August 28-30: Noveske Area 2 Multi-Gun Championship - Colorado Rifle Club, Byers, CO
September
September 11-12: Generation III Gun Championship Lake of the Ozarks, MO
?? 3-Gun Nation Pro Series Event #4, Tulsa, OK
October
?? Remington Fallen Brethren 3 Gun Challenge, Jacksboro, TX
?? 3GN Southwest Regional Championship, Marble Falls, TX
October 14-17: FNH Multi-Gun Championship - Peacemaker Range, Glengary, WV
October 18-19: Arkansas Section Multi Gun Championship, Ft. Smith, AR
October 22-24: Doublestar Blue Ridge Mountain 3-Gun Championship, Park City, KY
??: 3-Gun Nation Pro Series Championship, Tulsa, OK
?? Brownells Lady 3-Gun Pro-Am Challenge, Convington GA
November
?? VersaMax Shotgun Challenge, Clinton House, SC
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?? = Date and or match not yet confirmed.
If there is a date, the MD has confirmed the match date.
Added the dates for Generation III Gun September 11-12 -
April 24-26 -- X-Treme Bullets Texas 3 Gun Championship at Copperhead Creek http://www.3gunchampionship.com/
Match 6-8 -- area 6 multigun championship at frostproof.
April 18-19- The 2015 Bushmaster Tarheel 3Gun Challenge
Added all of these.
Remington Versa Max/Tarheel3gun Shotgun Challenge will have three 2 day shotgun matches...in 2015
1st Match will be March 13-14 at New Hill NC
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As fall begins, so do the 2015 match announcements. Post if you got 'em. This thread is only for major matches not your local match, I don't care how cool you think it is.
April 18-19- The 2015 Bushmaster Tarheel 3Gun Challenge
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It was a blast (ha ha)...we wil have 3 more one day shotgun matches this year...no prize table but about 2k in random draw prizes...one is a versa max shot gun, ammo and other good things. Next year we will have two...two day matches. thanks for the support!
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Updates for this event are posted at http://tarheel3gun.com/
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Go here to get one of the open slots....only a few
http://tarheel3gun.com/july-12-13-2014-remington-versa-max-tactical-shotgun-max/
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Many THANKS to our staff, Freedom Munitions, all the sponsors, the crew at Clinton House and mostly the competiors. I witnessed numerous acts of great sportsmenship and fellowship, You folks motivate me and the crew at Tarheel3gun to provide you a safe, fun and fair experience. We had a blast at this event...my hat is off to you guys for your efforts.
Please feel free to contact me with any suggestions....your input is a valuable part to making Tarheel3gun successful. Make sure you try and get out to one of our monthly matches, two day shotgun matches or one of the 3GN regional events...go to Tarheel3gun.com for all the info on upcoming matches. Hope to see some of you folks at the July Reminton Veramax Shotgun Challenge or the 3GN DPMS mid west regional in August.
thanks for supporting the sport of 3gun!
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Folks if you want info on this match you will need to direct your computer to http://tarheel3gun.com/..... the link to the freedom munitions match update is is pretty obvious and it contain the most current and past updates....answer to all the question you have asked....there is a VERY simple online form to complete to get a cart...you pay online...
here is a small hint where to go on our web site..... it is on the landing page...
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September 13-14: Palmetto State Armory 3 Gun Challenge at Clinton House, Clinton SC
Palmetto State Armory has cancelled this event.
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What's the round count? Furthest shot?
An update will be posted on Tarheel3gun.com this weekend. Please use that site for match updates. Thanks!
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The May match , for this series, will be moved to another date...TBA.
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We will update info about the 3GN Regionals on our website and Facebook.
If you have other questions CALL me.....
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Oh I must add, this is the best statement I have heard regarding Tarheel3gun's "match flavor"....
"But the good thing about the challenge of the Tarheel 3-Gun Challenge was that the challenge came from the shooting itself, not from crazy starting positions, or unfamiliar prop guns, or poor target presentations. Starting positions were consistently from high port or hands at sides. There was only one prop gun, and you were only required to shoot 4 shots at targets 10 yards away. Rifle targets were clearly painted bright orange for every squad, and were sometimes backed with berms that helped you determine where you were missing. The match directors did everything they could to set the shooters up for success; the challenge was small or large based on the shooter’s ability only"....well said Karla!
By Karla Herdzik, Team FNH USA
I shot the Tarheel 3-Gun Challenge at Woody’s Hunt and Rifle Club in New Hill, NC (recently). In just its 3rd year in existence, this match has quickly become one of my favorite major matches. It should definitely be on your “must-attend” list next year. Here’s why:
Half-Day Format
Adopted from the example of FNH USA 3-Gun Championship, half-day format means you get in, you shoot, and you get out without spending 12 hours on the range. Morning squads started at 0730 and were scheduled to be done around 1230 (although some squads did run later, depending on which stages they shot). Afternoon squads started at 1230 and were scheduled to be done around 1830. You shot 4 stages each day, back-to-back, instead of the more traditional on-of-on-off shooting format. This meant you had plenty of extra time to sleep in, get lunch, shoot side matches, observe other squads, or hang out with friends. I’m a fan!
Side Matches and Vendor Booths
Speaking of that extra half day, Tarheel offered several things to do with your spare time. Remington had a booth where shooters could test out the Versa Max shotgun. DPMS had their new GII .308 rifle out for shooters to test drive. And One Team One Fight ran a side match to raise money for the Navy Seal Foundation and Travis Manion Foundation. There was a tomahawk involved; who doesn’t want to throw a tomahawk? A number of other vendor booths were around for you to check out products from Hiperfire, Spectre Targets, Freedom Munitions, Lancer, and HearPro.
Challenging Stages
It’s in the match name…duh. The Tarheel stages offered shooters a fair amount of options regarding what targets to shoot with which gun, and in what order. But the real challenge came from the rifle targets. In a sport that’s increasingly morphing towards shorter-faster-burn-em-down stages, Tarheel stands out as a distinctly rifle match. Of the 8 stages, 5 had targets at least 200 yards away; most of those had targets nearly out to 300. There was off-hand rifle shooting at distances to 100 yards on 3 stages. And not to be forgotten, some stages did offer options to shoot rifle instead of pistol at close-range targets.
But the good thing about the challenge of the Tarheel 3-Gun Challenge was that the challenge came from the shooting itself, not from crazy starting positions, or unfamiliar prop guns, or poor target presentations. Starting positions were consistently from high port or hands at sides. There was only one prop gun, and you were only required to shoot 4 shots at targets 10 yards away. Rifle targets were clearly painted bright orange for every squad, and were sometimes backed with berms that helped you determine where you were missing. The match directors did everything they could to set the shooters up for success; the challenge was small or large based on the shooter’s ability only.
Experienced ROs
While the sport of 3-gun lacks a range officer certification body like other practical shooting sports, the ROs at Tarheel are as close to professional as you’ll see in the sport. The guys (and gals) ROing this match are out there repeatedly for Tarheel’s regular monthly match. Tarheel has been running a 100-person monthly match for several years now, so their ROs have had plenty of practice, know the rules, and run a tight ship.
Easy Registration, Squadding, and Scoring
Tarheel 3-Gun uses an online registration process with payment via PayPal. Squadding is done via Squad Signup, and you get to choose who you want to squad with. Scoring is done via PractiScore and was updated regularly throughout the match. There was even a wifi hotspot at the match, by which you could sync your phone to the real-time scores using the PractiScore app. Tarheel’s embrace of technology means all of the match administration process is easy from the shooter’s perspective, and resulted in faster scores, a quicker prize table, and everyone getting on the road sooner. That’s an all-around win.
Prevalent Sponsor Presence
There are few matches that have such a strong sponsor presence as Tarheel 3-Gun. Title sponsor Bushmaster was out in full force, with several execs shooting the match and participating in the shooter’s meeting and prize table. Strong sponsor presence means strong support for the sport – and an opportunity for you as a shooter to thank those sponsors in person! The RO shirts were covered in Bushmaster logos, and there were banners everywhere. Oh, and in case you haven’t heard, Bushmaster raffled off a BA 50 rifle to one random winner. They even donated an M4 for a random draw of those who were disqualified from the match.
North Carolina Spring Weather
Anyone who’s been to the Rockcastle Shooting Center in August knows how miserable HOT, humid weather can be on the range. North Carolina offers low humidity and moderate temps in April, making the match a much more enjoyable experience. And after a long, cold winter, the sunshine is a welcome change.
BONUS: Women’s Only Bathroom!
This one is for my ladies! Tarheel provided a women’s only porta-potty this year (complete with a combo lock to keep the guys out). So rather than sharing with 250 men, we had our own (CLEAN) place to use the restroom. While most matches probably don’t have enough female shooters to justify the cost of doing this, I know the 15 lady shooters and other female spectators really appreciated the thoughtfulness of the Tarheel crew! As for the rest of the porta-potties, they were all clean and there was one on every stage.
In just a few short years, Tarheel 3-Gun has taken 3-gun from the grassroots level, to a regular monthly match that people travel up to 200 miles for, to a yearly Challenge match that rivals other major matches. Head on over to www.tarheel3gun.com and sign up for email updates; that way you’ll be the first to know when next year’s registration opens up! You won’t want to miss it.
Eds. Note: Tarheel 3-Gun is one of the original 3GN Club Series participants, and Charles Sole, match director for Tarheel 3-Gun, is the 3GN Club Series co-Director, with Tennille Chidester.
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Oh I must add, this is the best statement I have heard regarding Tarheel3gun's "match flavor"....
"But the good thing about the challenge of the Tarheel 3-Gun Challenge was that the challenge came from the shooting itself, not from crazy starting positions, or unfamiliar prop guns, or poor target presentations. Starting positions were consistently from high port or hands at sides. There was only one prop gun, and you were only required to shoot 4 shots at targets 10 yards away. Rifle targets were clearly painted bright orange for every squad, and were sometimes backed with berms that helped you determine where you were missing. The match directors did everything they could to set the shooters up for success; the challenge was small or large based on the shooter’s ability only"....well said Karla!
The 2015 Bushmaster Tarheel 3-Gun Challenge
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