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Here's today's match. 5th of 19 in Production, 3rd B. Comments welcome.
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You shot a good match Nathan, just not completely consistent. Everything happens with the front sight. Regardless of the times, getting hits is crucial. I think you are progressing well from looking at the older videos posted. Your D count hurt your scores in the end. You remember the Brian guy that was in our squad? He has the opposite problem as you. He shoots hella points, he just does it slowly. He searches for perfect sight picture on every target, mentally confirms it twice, then presses the trigger. You have the same problem I do, we see the sights anywhere on the target and we press the trigger. My focus on my next match is points... getting the points. I'll let you know how that turns out
It was a pleasure shooting with you, and if I can do anything for you in terms of gear, let me know.
Thanks Bobby. It was a pleasure shooting with you as well.
As far as Brian's problem... It's definitely a good problem to have in Production. Speed will always come in time, but it's hard to force yourself to shoot points when you're wanting to go fast. I've been working on letting the sight picture drive the gun, but it's a work in progress.
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I have more of a series of questions than anything. Not having been there I cannot say much for certain, but this might be food for thought.
First off, I appreciate your input. I'll try to give you my thoughts on why I did what I did.
Timer 0:57 you draw into three full, open. close targets. You shoot them and then you move. You should have been backing out on the last one at least. You are good enough to do that it is helps with time.I didn't back out there on the last target for two reasons. The start position was funky enough and my foot area was cramped enough that I didn't want to shift my feet in the middle of the array by stepping back across my other leg, that just seemed risky. I've found that unless I'm already moving, shifting my feet between targets on an array will either slow down my shooting or give up accuracy. I would have had to shift my feet before I could take a step back out of there, so I didn't. If I would have been allowed to start facing the targets and not all crossed up, I definitely would have started moving out of position sooner. The other reason is that there was about one step until I could see the next array to engage and I didn't want to overstep it or have to completely stop before passing them. I decided to shoot it that way to play it safe and get my hits, which is something that I've been working on. I could have turned up the riskiness with movement but just decided against it. Turned out that I had the third fastest time on that stage for Production and took 2nd on it, which surprised me. It didn't feel that fast, and I know I could have done it faster.
Timer 1:12 Why did you reload in that order? You shoot 10, reload, shoot 6, reload. You shot the left, went to the middle and stopped and shot, went right and shot, then came back to the middle. I am thinking left, right and then down the middle would be less stops and starts. But once again I cannot really see the targets.I shot it that way to break down the reloads and because of the angles that the targets were at. If I were to shoot all three center targets (2 right, 1 left) as I passed them I would have had to slow way down and the transitions would have been pretty big. Just playing it safe with the 180 and not setting myself up to run past them while shooting...
timer 2:05 Looks like you shoot the static targets on the far left and right by the windmill then some steel down the middle. Was it a requirement to shoot the stuff in the middle from behind the barricaide?I wonder about shooting through the left port, reload then shoot windmill target 1 , the static and then windmill 2. The left and right targets are shot from the box when you are going to go over there anyway???
Nothing was required to be shot from the box. I ran it this way to save a reload hoping that the time would come out ok, turns out it didn't. Everyone else was shooting it by running up to the steel and reloading in every position. I figured that I could either do it the same as everyone else, or try something different and see how it worked. This was the first stage that I shot on day 2 and I was feeling saucy. Time wasn't too great, but my hits were mostly where they needed to be.
One thing that I'll be working on is my explosiveness in and out of positions. I've noticed too much hesitation and careful movement on my part. It's the worst on those foot activators, but as long as they're wet and I'm wearing cleats I'm going to be shy with them.
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I was amazed at how many high school aged kids were out trick or treating last night. When I was a kid, I'm pretty sure I stopped trick or treating when I was in the fourth grade or so.
I was also amazed at the number of young kids that were texting while walking around... what has this world come to?
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As usual, comments and criticism welcomed.
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Great match! Thanks to everyone that helped make it happen.
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I'd treat it as a magwell --- unless the shooter used it as a foregrip....
I know the rules specifically state no foregrips. If a magwell is a magwell, and freestyle is freestyle...
As an example, if you had enough barrel/frame on a traditional 1911 style pistol, could you not grip it like a rifle (if you really wanted to)?
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Wouldn't the magazine/mag well forward of the trigger guard be considered a foregrip? I'm doubting this would be legal, even in open div.
The ATF doesn't see it that way.
It's a mag well. It's a functional part of the gun.
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Going along with the Lasik comment... get more young people involved. We have the eyes for it.
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I'm putting an Irons Rifle together myself and I'm in the same boat. Looking forward to some suggestions.
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I've also seen Prod & SS shooters who like the overlap to be right underneath their holster, so it sticks out another 1/4 - 1/2 inch.
*raises hand*
I put my inner belt overlap on my left side under my mags, since shooting Production with a DOH gives me plenty of thumb space.
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Mostly to satisfy a curiosity, what's the legality of a 9mm AR Pistol in Open? For the sake of conversation, let's say that it would have no stock, just a bare pistol buffer tube, and no forend. Disregard the availability of holsters and strong/weak hand only shooting, I'm just wondering about the gun fitting the division.
Thoughts?
On a related note, what is the legality of pistol drum magazines, given that they meet size requirements for a division? How would the "length" be measured?
whatcha buildiung down there Nathan?
sounds interesting.......
I'm not building anything...
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20 folks in squad 14!
Four folks from the FGW shooting team plan on being there. Looking fwd to it also, I hear the food is worth the trip alone. I'm going to stay close to "tad", I know he knows where the good vittles are!
So far there are two Rudy Squad guys on Squad 11, including myself. I'm hoping that we get a few more to join us. Looking forward to shooting with you!
-Nathan
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I believe that there was more to it than that, such as a detail in the WSB about how to apply procedurals to that specific stage. (Edit: I now see that there was in fact not such a detail. A better stage design and WSB would definitely avoid this issue.)
I don't see how this situation is any different then running past a slow drop turner to take the no penalty mike when you gain an advantage on the time. It's the shooter's choice to take the penalty or not.
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Per Appendix A2, you need 10 competitors per class per division before classes are recognized in a Level III match. Personally I don't see why that match was a Level III match. I thought that only Area 1-8 matches were considered Level III matches. Sectionals are usually Level II matches in my experience (and according to Appendix A1).
Regardless, good shooting Andy!
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Would the handguard be considered a foregrip? If so, Rule 5.1.10 would kick it out.
Bill
Leave it off?
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Well they make a BETA mag in 9mm...it may be with in 170mm tall
No doubt more than 500 comercial units have been built
If you construct a legal holster (not to hard to do )
I cant think of any reason you could not do it
But alas....its not the best tool for the job...could be kinda fun though
Jim
I agree that it's not going to be faster than a typical open gun in capable hands. Reloads would suck, the holster is a small hurdle but not a deal breaker, and it's a little unwieldy compared to a lighter pistol. The idea came up between some friends, so I was just wondering if there was some reason that it hasn't been done already.
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Put neat little .22 holes through non hardened poppers and look over your shoulder for MD and upset club members. Legal yea. The right thing to do?
.22 sized holes aren't legal. That's why I specifically asked about a 9mm AR. I edited my first post to make "9mm" bold.
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Holster position might be the problem, if you're planning on starting with a drum.....
Then again, getting a viable holster, might be the serious problem.....
Clearly -- no legal holster, no go....
Which is why I asked to disregard the holster issue.
I'm just wondering about the gun. Is there anything that I'm missing?
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I doubt you could successfully argue that a drum magazine is legal based on the fact that the feed-tower is less than 170mm
I agree, and wouldn't expect that argument to stand... but what if the entire length (drum and feed tower) was less than 170mm?
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As a somewhat experienced shooter (and an RO myself) , I prefer to not have the RO say anything that is not necessary. I've had "MUZZLE" yelled at me at a major match when I knew that I was no where close to the 180. The gun was actually about 45 degrees from it when it happened, since I had the gun up in front of me doing a reload. It seemed so out of place to me at the time that it really threw me off. I actually paused while staring at the position of the gun and thought to myself "are you serious?"
I agree that it's the RO's judgement to make, but please use it sparingly and preferably only with new, less experienced shooters.
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Mostly to satisfy a curiosity, what's the legality of a 9mm AR Pistol in Open? For the sake of conversation, let's say that it would have no stock, just a bare pistol buffer tube, and no forend. Disregard the availability of holsters and strong/weak hand only shooting, I'm just wondering about the gun fitting the division.
Thoughts?
On a related note, what is the legality of pistol drum magazines, given that they meet size requirements for a division? How would the "length" be measured?
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Are the stages going to be posted anywhere?
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Something else to consider (for us non open or limited shooters
) is that 9 times out of 10 if we are moving we are reloading, so the off hand comes off the gun for the reload anyways. If it's a long run, I'll pump my left arm to run after I seat the mag. If it's within a few steps, my hand is coming back up to seat the mag about the time I'm getting to the next position.
) is that 9 times out of 10 if we are moving we are reloading, so the off hand comes off the gun for the reload anyways. If it's a long run, I'll pump my left arm to run after I seat the mag. If it's within a few steps, my hand is coming back up to seat the mag about the time I'm getting to the next position.
notasccrmom
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I also noticed some hesitation coming into positions today. That 2nd target on Stage 3 was half hardcover vertically and then protected by a no shoot on the end of that wall. It was right inside the 180 and a bit of a lean around the no shoot. I was being overly careful of that no shoot I guess.
Points were decent, but could still be a lot better. Points are still my weak spot, my times are there. I left some Deltas and in one instance had 2 Mike, 2 NS on the same target on the first stage of the day. The target was a headshot only with a no shoot in front of it. I managed to put both rounds just below the B zone and on the NS. I didn't see it and didn't make it up.
The temp today wasn't bad. Mid 70s or so with a nice breeze, it felt cool.