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I'm with you on some but not all Kurt. The PractiScore thing is a valid concern. I'm not saying it needs to be changed but it is valid. When I sent out match surveys I had the hardest time not addressing every concern. 20 guys would say the courses were great and one guy would say they needed more something. And I'd want to fix that one thing. It was hard to step back and say no. But saying no didn't mean it wasn't a valid concern, it just needed to be weighed against the benefits and costs of changing to accommodate that issue.
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1 hour ago, alma said:
Here is what the Governor's office posted to Facebook this morning:
This is a great statement. Makes me want to shoot the match next year, and honestly kind of makes me want to move to Wyoming.
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If this is not trying to be an A-hole I'd hate to see what trying looks like. We get it, you like Practiscore.
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Mark, if I may offer a suggestion. Ignore user works wonders. I've only had to do it to one person on Enos, but it works really well. I haven't had to see posts from Jadeslade in a couple years now. The only time I even know he's still here is when someone quotes him. Otherwise it works pretty well.
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1 hour ago, CraigS. said:
Sold out in 2 hours enough said....... How many other MG matches move around the country ??
As far as I know 3GN matches are the only other ones that routinely move. But there are similarities to USPSA there. Both are National organizations meant to serve members around the country (world). The majority of major 3 Gun matches are not affiliated with a larger organization. They are run by an individual or a group, usually based at the range they are held. Think Rocky Mountain, SMM3G, Ironman, FNH, Rockcastle. Most are single matches tied to the range that holds them.
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Mark, sometimes sponsors care about which table their product goes to, other times they just pick the sponsorship that is available. If a match offers 5 Division Sponsorships, Tact, Lim, Open, Heavy Iron and Heavy Scope, and the first 4 are gone, you might see a company that makes scope mounts signing up to be the Heavy Iron sponsor. Doesn't mean they want their gear to go all on that table, but that's all that was left. Additionally if a company donates 10K in product for a match, they may or may not want all of that going to 3 guys shooting a tiny division. It's a decision that should be made between match staff and the sponsor. It should be clear what the expectations of both are. Sometimes you may see a sponsor that wants to flood a table and drive interest in that division. If JP decided they wanted to make a splash at the MG Nats by offering a JP LRP-07 to the top three shooters in Heavy Limited this year, I'm betting you'd see some heavy hitters swapping to that division to try and clean up. But does that really offer any benefit to JP or the MG Nats to artificially stimulate interest in a division that has very few people who really want to shoot it?
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All full up. I'm on the wait list. First time the USPSA MG Nats has filled that fast. Guess Easter didn't hurt attendance too bad.
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7 hours ago, iamspartacus said:
It's a USPSA National Championship, part of a NATIONAL organization. You dont see any of the handgun nationals stay at the same venue year after year. It should move every year.
First off, there is no obligation that as a National Championship that it should move every year. The obligation is that the org puts on the best National Championship they can and make it accessible to members. Vegas has a number of advantages over other venues, the most significant being low cost airfare and lodging options. This alone makes it accessible to any shooter in the country. If they don't want to fly, that's fine, but there is no obligation to hold the match in driving distance from a bunch of folks routinely.
Second even if there was, Vegas would satisfy that requirement. It's within driving distance of a significant portion of the membership. Texas and California pretty much dominate other states as far as participation.I'm guessing you haven't been shooting a really long time. Travelling Nationals are a fairly new occurrence. There was a time when pretty much everything was at PASA. If you didn't like Illinois, every couple years they might hold something in PA, or Reno. But that was a rare exception. The MG Nats are held in Vegas for a reason. It's the only venue that has come close to self supporting the match. Every other MG, or 3G Nats lost significant amounts of money. And history has shown that moving an event year to year results in lower participation rates the first year at a minimum. Heck, take a look at Steel Challenge for an extreme example of that. MG Nats in Vegas has proven for the last couple years to be a success. It would be foolish to move it at this point.
What advantage is there to moving an event every year, or every two years? Some competitors don't have to fly and others do. It's a break even proposition. But you also have a slew of new costs. Transportation of existing props, logistics of figuring out lodging, food vendors, tent suppliers, water, ice etc. all become more expensive when you move every year. Even if you pay to haul most of your gear, there are still additional expenses the pile up. Inevitably you have to buy new stuff, walls, fault lines, nails etc whenever you roll into a new town. It's financially irresponsible to move a successful match, just to put it a couple hours closer to someone.
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JANUARY
JAN 23-24: SHOT Show 3GUN Boulder City, NV
FEBRUARY
FEB 27-28: 3GN South Eastern Regional Championship @ Universal Shooting Academy in Florida
MARCH
MAR 19-20: Missouri 3-Gun Championship, Versailles, MO
MAR 19-20: Mossberg Shooters Source Shotgun Championship (Facebook) hosted by North Texas Multigun (Facebook) @ Triple C Range, Ft. Worth, Texas
APRIL
APR 1-3: USPSA Area 6 Multigun Championship Universal Shooting Academy; Frostproof, FL
APR 1-3: SMM3G 2016
APR 2-3: 3GN Southern Regional Championship @ Brock's Gap Training Center in Alabama
APR 8-11: X-Treme Bullets Texas 3 Gun Championship, Presented by Freedom Munition; Marble Falls, TX
APR 15-17: USPSA MultiGun Nationals, Las Vegas, NV Staff shoot 13-14 April
APR 22-24: 2016 Wild West Multigun, Sniper Challenge, Full-Auto Shoot benefiting the Chris Kyle Frog Foundation
APR 23-24, Oregon 3Gun Challenge, COSSA, Bend, OR (Staff shoot 21-22 April)
APR 30-MAY 1: Babes with Bullets 3-Gun Challenge. The Shootout Range in Princeton, LA. Open to 100 women & 100 men. Presented by Otis Technology.
MAY
MAY 7: MEGA Stage match, Colorado Rifle Club, Byers, CO
MAY 14-15: He-Man National 3-Gun Championship - NRA Whittington Center, Raton, NM
MAY 14-15: 3 Gun Nation Regional @ Copperhead Creek Shooting Club in Texas
MAY 14-15: Tarheel 3-Gun Challenge @ Woody's Hunt and Rifle Club, New Hill NC
MAY 26-29: 3 Gun Ladies University, NRA Whittington Center, NM
MAY 29-31: NRA Americas Rifle Challenge Championship, Presented By Daniel Defense at Peacemaker in Glengary, WV
JUNE
JUN 4: Shooters Source Shotgun Challenge, Pike's Peak Gun Club, Colorado Springs, CO
JUN 5-7: MGM Ironman (O, L, HO, T), Parma, ID
JUN 9-11: MGM Ironman (Tac-Scope), Parma, ID
JUN 11: Samson Pro/DoubleStar 3 Man 3 Gun, Rock Castle in Park Ciy, KY
JUN 11 or 12: (You Choose One Day) Mid Atlantic Multigun York, PA
JUN 12: A3G - Salute to Valor Veterans Charity 3-Gun Match, Covington, GA
JUN 18-19: 3GN Eastern Regional Championship @ Clinton House, SC
JUN 24-26: Nordic Components & Vortex Optics Tri-Gun, presented by the Minnesota 3Gun Group @ Forest Lake Sportmen's Club, MN
JUN 25-26: War Sport 3-Gun Team Challenge
JUN 26-26: Cedar Valley Multigun, Sponsored by Cobalt Kinetics, UT
JULY
JUL 8-10: Warne Scope Mounts NorthWest MultiGun Challenge, COSSA, Bend, OR
JUL 9-10: Southern Colorado 3-Gun Championships, Pike's Peak Gun Club, Colorado Springs, CO
JUL 15-17 Vortex presents Shooters Source 3 Gun Championship, Texas
JUL 16-17: Armalite Topton 3 man 3 Gun Team Match, Topton PA
July 16-17 Lead Farm 3-Gun 2 day 3GN Classifier match
http://practiscore....-16-16/register https://practiscore....-clone/register
July 30: Bluegrass Shotgun Championship, Bluegrass Sportsmen's League, Wilmore, KY (just outside Lexington)
AUGUST
AUG 11-14: Rocky Mountain 3-Gun World Championship - NRA Whittington Center, Raton, NM
AUG 19-21: Rockcastle Pro-Am 3 Gun Championship Park City, KY (Rockcastle) Register NET 16FEB 9PM EST
AUG 25-27: Rockcastle Tactical Shotgun Match (Rockcastle)
AUG 25-27 Montana Multigun Championships Boulder, MT
AUG 27-28 Nightforce Precision Tactical 2 Rifle Match NRA Whittington Center http://johnson3gun.w...gust-27-28-2016
SEPTEMBER
SEP 1-3: FN 3-Gun Championship, Peacemaker National Training Center, Glengary, WV
SEP 9-10: Generation III Gun, Lake of the Ozarks, MO Registration Opens 1FEB ?? CST
SEP 10-11: 3GN Western Regional Championship @ Southern Utah Shooting Sports Park in UT Registration Opens 15DEC 9PM EST
SEP 10-11: California Action Shotgun Challenge - Richmond, CA. Details to follow as they develop.
SEP 15-17: NRA World Shooting Championship at Peacemaker in Glengary, WV
SEP 23-25: Resurgence 3Gun, Logan, NM Registration Opens 25JAN 7AM MST
SEP 30 - OCT 2 MGM Ironman East Scoped Tactical
SEP 30 - OCT 2 Fallen Brethren at Jacksboro, TX
OCTOBER
OCT 4-6: MGM Ironman East Open, Limited, Heavy Optics, & Trooper (OLHOT)
OCT 8-9: 3GN NATIONALS @ Virginia International Raceway in VA Registration upon invite beginning in SEP
OCT 13-15: Doublestar Blue Ridge Mountain 3-Gun Championship, Park City, KY (Rockcastle)
OCT 15-16: Surefire World Multigun, Boulder City, NV - Amateur
OCT 18-20: Surefire World Multigun, Boulder City, NV - Staff & Semipro
OCT 21-23: Surefire World Multigun, Boulder City, NV Pro
OCT 28-29 Walking Dead Multigun - Lights, Lasers & Lead, Cresson, TX
OCT 27-29: Multigun Fall Festival- A Girl & A Gun Park City, KY (Rockcastle)
OCT 29-29: RED OKTOBER KALASHNIKOV Championship, St George, UT
OCT 29-30: https://practiscore.com/nc-recon-2016/register NC RECON (Trooper style 3Gun) Oxford, NC
NOVEMBER
Nov 4-6 2016 USPSA Area 3/Missouri Multi-Gun Championship https://practiscore.com/uspsa-area-3-missouri-stat…/register
NOV 10-12 Starlight 3 Gun Marble Falls, TX. www.starlight2016.com(Postponed)DECEMBER
DEC 2-4: Purgatory Flats Hard as Hell, St. George, UT
DEC 1-4: Ft Benning Multi-Gun, Ft. Benning, GA
DEC 3-4: K&M 3 Gun Shoot Out, Finger, TN
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On 10/3/2016 at 2:54 PM, iamspartacus said:
Fail on continuing to have it on the western half of the country. Its been there long enough. Bring it east of the Mississippi River.
Yeah, that totally sucks. They finally built it up to the point where the match fills and it's considered a premier match. Totally time to rip it down and start again from scratch with a new venue and staff.
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First off I want to apologize to all the shooters and staff for this match. At this point we are going to have to postpone the 2016 Starlight 3 Gun event. It will not be held in November, 2016. We are currently looking at options to hold the event in early 2017. At this point we could put on an event, but it wouldn't be up to the standards we need it to be. I hope we will have a final answer on the plans for the future next week, but I wanted to give everyone as much time as possible to change plans as needed.
Thank you all for your support of this match so far. I, as well as several others, put their hearts and soul into this and I want it to be perfect. If you can hang tight till next week I will have information on what's happening in the future.
Chuck Anderson
Match Director
Starlight 3 Gun
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Sorry guys. For some reason my notifications aren't working on this thread anymore. There will be places to dump pistols on every stage for sure. Staging pistols is another matter. Ideally I'd say have a holster. I usually try to have staging locations for every pistol start but I know last year I screwed up and forgot one or two. I will try to have a stage location for everything for this match. It just might add a bit of time getting to it.
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On 9/28/2016 at 1:09 PM, Alaskapopo said:
They don't make the Camp Carbine anymore. I used to have one in 45. Was fun but having 1911 mags limited capacity. The 9mm version uses smith and wesson mags not super common and expensive.
Pat
Nope, but they still exist. And Smith mags are not that expensive. $34.95 for 30 rounders. Lots of options. Not saying I'd go that way, but it's a heck of a lot cheaper than buying a 2011.
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I'll have to check with the range. I always just ship to the hotel. I can check this week and let you know.
Max range is 200
Carts would probably help but won't be critical.
Yes everyone is welcome to watch Tuesday and Wednesday during the staff match.
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Yep, new website. Rules and stages are posted. There may be some small changes between now and then but this should give everyone a real good idea what's coming. Let me know if there are any questions.
The shotgun targets in stage 6 and 8 are not accurate. Shows a two bird swinger but it will actually be a single bird pigeon kicker. Posted the wrong draft but should have the correct version up soon.
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Anytime you have questions, send them directly to me Tennille@3gunnation.com 208-447-6553 You can text, email, or FB me, but if we aren't friends on FB, text or email DIRECTLY to me is ALWAYS going to be the most efficient.
Oh, that is way to broad of an offer. Anytime I have questions. Hmmm...
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The 2016 Starlight 3 Gun Championship will be held at the Copperhead Creek Shooting Club just outside Marble Falls, Texas November 8-12, 2016. The 8-9 will be the reserved for the Staff Match and overflow. The main match will be the 10-12. This year we will have 8 stages, plus a shoot off on Saturday night. I flew down to Texas at the end of January to take a look at the range and meet the locals. I'm really looking forward to this year. We'll be able to do a lot of things here that we haven't before. Expect this to be the biggest night time 3 gun match ever. Great stages, great food, live band, lights, lasers and gun shots, what could be better?
Registration will open on April 3, 2016 at 5:00 PM Pacific on Practiscore. I'll post a link a little closer to that date. You'll be able to register at that time and a payment link will be sent soon after. You'll need to pay within 30 days of registering or your entry will be deleted. If there is a problem, or you think you'll have a sponsored slot, just let me know and I'll work with you. My email is chuck@andersontactical.com I don't want to drop anyone, but if I don't hear from you, either a payment or an email saying why, I'm assuming you don't want to go.
Information will be posted at www.starlight3gun.com You can find more information about the venue at http://www.copperheadclub.com/ Hotels in the area are pretty expensive I'm finding. I would suggest booking as soon as possible. If you don't get in you can always cancel later. We'll have a small block of rooms available, but I won't know how many until we get staffing sorted out.
Timney Triggers is back as our presenting sponsor, as well as our two additional premier sponsors, the NSSF and Sig Sauer from last year.
Chuck Anderson is MD and Travis Gibson is the Rangemaster.
Just wanted to let everyone know we have a new website www.starlight2016.com
We have some new info up now and more should be coming in the next week or two. I have the stages in hand from the graphics guy and they look great, just need to make a few tweaks and they will be ready to post.
We are close to full for the main match. There are only 112 slots for the main match and 96 for the staff/VIP match. If you want to shoot during the main match you need to enter now. If you're entered but haven't paid or squadded you need to get that done as well. Choice of match (main/staff) will go in order that you paid for the match. If you registered months ago but didn't pay, you need to get that done. Otherwise you may have the pleasure and joy of shooting the staff match with me. If you have any questions, concerns, reasons why you aren't paying for the match (possible deployment, job change, sponsor slot) please email me at chuck@andersontactical.com If we already talked about it...email me again because if it happened more than a week ago, I probably don't remember. I don't want to boot anyone out, but I don't want people who want to come not able to get in because someone is taking up their spot without paying.
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Here's the deal for me. I don't really care what scoring system Pete uses. I'll be there. Anyone who decides to skip a Pete match because they have concerns about total time scoring or whatever is dumb. Whatever system is used, Pete will put on a great match that everyone there is going to have fun at. I have my preferences and stuff I'd like to see, but at the end of the day I'm just one shooter and it's Pete's match to run as he sees fit. I trust him enough to know I'll have a worthwhile match. Without a doubt.
There are plenty of three gun matches out there now. Enough that customers should be able to pick and choose a bit who they want to invest their money with . Who is going to put on a 5 star match, vs spending maybe a little less, and getting a 2 1/2 star boondoggle. I don't have enough time available to waste on lame matches. But I sent my check in for this one on January 1.
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How about this for a cool scoring twist. The stage that Chuck does the best on in the match gets thrown out, along with any other stage he wins.
I already shot that match this month. Didn't like it.
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Did an episode of the 3 Gun Show Podcast that aired last week. If you're interested in how Starlight came to be, what to bring and just how awesome the match will be take a listen.
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Looked at it and I just can't see what problem you are solving. Without breaking out my math hat it still seems like if you have an issue on a short stage it's going to hurt worse than a long stage. There are also some really significant swings in your results. 9 places in a 69 person match is almost 15% change. I'd much rather see the stages given some weight value ahead of time if you're going to give them points. I know Pete has enough experience to have a really good idea what the fast time on each stage will be. That would allow for a scoreboard to actually work as well. Keith is ahead by 43 points, with stages worth 230 points left to shoot. I'm just not understanding what this actually solves.
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I'll take a look at this in a minute. Regardless of the validity of the scoring system, I think it takes away from one of the really cool things Pete did when he started this match. By squadding the top guys together by Division and using straight time you could actually keep score during the match and know who was in the lead. I thought it made for some great excitement on social media while the match was going on. Daniel Horner is in the lead by 3.2 seconds, with Nils close behind and Brian Nelson just 4.8 seconds out of the lead. Etc. You get it. It was easy to understand, made sense and it was correct at the end of each stage. This will take away that ability. We think DH is in the lead, but we haven't done a calculation yet and can't do it until the match is over. But once everyone is done shooting we'll apply some math, burn some incense, sacrifice a chicken and poke a voodoo doll with some needles and tell you who won, (hint, it's Daniel)
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No worries. Got a bit of a late start but it's all moving along well now. Still have spots available but they are starting to move quickly.
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Still plenty of room in the match.
Should have the rules up very soon. Just making a couple tweaks with the RM.
2017 MAGPUL WYOMING GOVERNOR'S MATCH
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Agreed. Not saying you guys, or CD, need to change at all. Each match has it's own flavor. There are lots of options on matches to go to. I just wouldn't discount concerns because you don't agree with them. Recognize them and either decide to incorporate them or not. It's also probably not worth arguing about them on forums. If you look at the statement from the Governor's Office, that's a great statement. Acknowledges issues, thanks those who should be thanked, and commits to improvement. I know, even without being there, that the CD guys were not happy with the way things went. Too many cooks in the kitchen. We had the same issue with the first year of Crimson Trace. Stuff was F'd up. I'm not saying I handled the criticism any better of that match. Possibly worse. But I learned from my mistakes. (I hope.) As much as the nice comments are great to hear, the criticism can do more to improve the match. Of course I think the criticism would be effective privately and probably a lot easier to respond to without putting guys on blast on a forum anonymously.