Tom E
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Seems that at Worlds they also included some one handed "bullseye" shooting as a stage. I missed that. Maybe for 2019 they'll "improve" things further with a couple weak hand prone stages. I'm starting my 2019 calendar and SCSA and Outlaw Steel and Bowling Pins are looking good if nothing changes with RCSA.
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On 11/20/2018 at 2:40 PM, Tom E said:
I was entered but withdrew and didn't go. Cold, wet, and arthritis don't mix well. Of those I've talked to, the nice responses mirrored your sentiments. Prone and sitting stages didn't help.
I said that very badly. 2nd try:
On 11/19/2018 at 8:30 PM, Dwight Stearns said:I was there. At the time it was the leader for the worst run match I had ever attended.
I was entered for the 2018 Worlds but withdrew and didn't go. Cold, wet, and arthritis aren't fun.
Of those I've talked to about the 2108 Worlds, the nicer responses mirrored your sentiments about the 2012 match. Prone and sitting stages didn't help.
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6 hours ago, Scootertheshooter said:
There will be prone and sitting shooting ?
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's what they surprised shooters with at 2018 Worlds... Maybe that's why they never posted the stage descriptions....
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I won't be attending if they think surprising you with sitting and prone stages is a good idea. There are outlaw steel matches I'd rather spend my money and time shooting.
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18 hours ago, Dwight Stearns said:
I was there. At the time it was the leader for the worst run match I had ever attended.
I was entered but withdrew and didn't go. Cold, wet, and arthritis don't mix well. Of those I've talked to, the nice responses mirrored your sentiments. Prone and sitting stages didn't help.
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4 hours ago, TRUBL said:
Posted this in the Rimfire Challenge Group......evidently, someone thought it was a dig......so it got deleted and I was banned.
Did they surprise you with prone, sitting and strong hand only stages in Pennsylvania?
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It's over. Any thoughts?
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6 hours ago, Ming the Merciless said:
I'll have to disagree with you on muzzle brakes on rimfire pistols. .....
I will agree with you on the rimfire rifle, I did much the same with a pair of 10/22's, both with Tactical Solutions barrels. One threaded with an Alchin muzzle brake and one unthreaded barrel. No real difference between them other than one is louder than the other.
Yep. My rimfire rifles have comps just so the timer can better hear them.There's not enough gas pressure/volume left at the end of a 16" barrel for a comp to work. On a 4"ish pistol barrel it's different. With Hi-velocity ammo you do have enough gas pressure/volume for a comp to do something. Lotsa comps out there that do nothing but add weight and look cool. Some actually put the available gas pressure/volume to work. Easiest "test" is to shoot the gun with the comp clocked normally, then rotated 180 degrees. If your comp actually works the difference is obvious. No hi-speed photography required. If you can't notice a difference you have a comp that's just a barrel weight.
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3 hours ago, IowaNewbie said:
Regarding comp performance (or lack of) on rimfires, there's a ton of opinions and I don't want to debate here, but I like this video from TK.
This is a great example of a bad "scientific" test. It only "proves" that if you hang more weight on the end of the barrel you'll get less muzzle rise. IF you want to see what the comp does, or doesn't do, try this "test" with the comp "clocked" normally, ports up, and then with the comp rotated 180 deg. Ports down. Muzzle weight will be the same so you'll see the ports' effect, or lack of effect. A comp with effective porting is also pretty amusing to actually shoot (no ransom rest for this) with the comp rotated 90 degrees so it pushes the muzzle sideways...
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I have old eyes. C-More railway or slide ride with a 16 min dot, same as I have on my RFPO and OSR.
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1 hour ago, zzt said:
... .With the V, you have to use their comp. It is not as effective and you have to be careful not to lose the three locating pins when you take it off....
??? I have the same Maddmacs' 2245L013 comp on my LLV upper that I ran on my 22/45 Lite uppers.
http://maddmacsprecisiontactical.com/lite-comp-2245l013.html
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18 hours ago, wyliearms said:
Thoughts?
LLV uppers are a good way to go. I would suggest to be sure to get one with their "sport" chamber instead of the match chamber. You just request it. The (silver) NP3 finish makes clean up easy Same with their coated bolts. I have one with their DLC coating and nothing sticks. You literally just wipe it off. I started out shooting a Mk3 22/45 Lite for RFPO and it's slowly morphed into a "built from parts" Scorpion.
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DS-10 speedloaders. The Speed Beez guys stole Dave's (DS-10) design. Then a .160 height equivalent Bowen rear sight, I like the WO, and a .200 tall .100 wide front FO from Protocall Design.
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On 2/23/2017 at 10:40 PM, rooster mcbee said:
Those are fun and fast looking stages!
And they're the weekend before World's.
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And each stage can have 5 to 7 plates and you don't know the stage layouts 'til you get there. It is a ton of fun.
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I have motel reservations.
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All round targets, except for the Pendulum are 5' high to the top of the target and all rectangles are 5'6” to the top of the target. Pendulum has two round targets that are 6’ to the top of the target.
Use of a transit, laser level or similar method is encouraged for setting target heights. Targets heights are relative to the shooting box.
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On 2/11/2017 at 8:24 AM, hornetx40 said:
Any changes in elevation of targets from one club to the next defeats the whole purpose of setting the stages the same all over the country. They need to be the same to have a fair classification system.
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20 hours ago, jkrispies said:
Aren't all SCSA competitions "winnings" based simply off of overall winner down, along with division winners down? There's no splitting of winners by class. The class system is used simply to let everybody know where they stand relatively against everyone else, basing the classification off of the exact stages we shoot in competition. This is one area where I think SCSA is head and shoulders above every other organization.
It was that way. Not any more. You just got a classification system up and running in SCSA. Just like USPSA and others.
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6 minutes ago, hornetx40 said:
My reason for liking the finger outside the trigger guard is two fold. Safety..
That is the only way for it to be fair competition. There is no lower type of competitor than a cheat.
What's "safer"? The only time you were allowed to have your finger in the trigger guard was when the gun was pointed down range where a rd fired wouldn't be a DQ unless it was before the beep. The "safety" argument is/has been flimsy at best.
The only problem was they added the "off the trigger" wording.
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25 minutes ago, hornetx40 said:
most of the changes are good ....Like the rimfire rule for no finger inside the trigger guard....
I'll bet you don't shoot rimfire. Interesting how that position comes from those who don't.
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32 minutes ago, davsco said:
did you quote the wrong post? all i said was have consistent rules between two similar games run by the same organization.
I just quoted your post, as did others, and classification is clearly part of USPSA, IDPA etc rules. I agree with you about the classification system that seems precious to many.
Rules are necessary but rules should be simple, clear, concise, and as few as possible. Creating a set of rules that uses but modifies another set of rules is usually a nightmare. KISS.
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On 2/9/2017 at 8:47 AM, davsco said:
i've always thought that steel challenge rules should be totally identical to uspsa rules (range commands, safety, guns and mods, gear and placement and capacity, etc). lose the power factor and have to add language for rimfires. lots of folks play both games so why have any differences creating confusion, and if the rules are the same for everyone, that shouldn't be a problem. sure i'm missing some issues but consistency vs inconsistency would be nice.
And quit using timers and just give everyone a participation trophy. With all the divisions and then breaking them by classification you're close to that now. About the only thing you're not doing is having height breaks, 2" increments ok? So, you're SS, C, 5'8" to 5'10", senior. At what point is this just ridiculous? What about magazine/moonclip/speedloader placement on the belt? That should get close scrutiny too?
If a holster rule that says it has to be on the belt and cover the trigger confuses you (I'd think it's simpler, particularly for the RO) I have to wonder how you find your way to the range...
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Relax the holster rules. There's no reason for anything more than "on the belt" and "covers the trigger". USPSA, IDPA etc division legal holsters would still be legal and that will allow those who aren't USPSA, IDPA etc shooters to run what they brung. There are enough divisions that there's one their gun will be legal in, don't exclude shooters for want of a holster.
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Maybe MBaneACP will post the 2018 Worlds stage descriptions so everyone can see what "great" changes were made...