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Roger that.

I think everyone is making this more complicated than it is. CO is ESP with red dot added and has a 2oz bump to account for the weight. ESP has been simplified to weight and fit in the box effectively. The current rule books section on esp fits on a third of a page. Notice the language for cone/bull barrels/ and the like has been removed. 8.1.6 is there for global allowable mods. The mods for esp are by definition different than stock service pistol but both divisions allow you to remove trigger lock mechanisms. 8.1.7 is there for global disallowed mods. Neither of these two sections address slide cuts nor are they intended to address esp specific allowances. 1*Does your strike one fit in the box? 2*Is it 43oz (esp, 45oz with optic attached for CO) and under? The slide cut in the strike one is good to go. Cool pistol, I almost bought one a couple of times. Felt really good in my hand. Good luck and enjoy! M

@Racinready300ex Nice insight on the blocked sight picture. I can see how that could make a difference. M

My original question was a rules question. Seeing as the conversation has moved to a game theory question it would seem to me, in the case of this classifier anyway, one would want to address the hardest shots first. My logic is as follows: 1. There are no throwaway shots in this drill; they are all scored the same. Lets just assume at the masters level you need to be good enough that all your shots will go where you want them. With this assumption out of the way the classifier becomes a speed game; where can you find the extra 1/10ths of a second? 2. The first shot out of the holster is by definition a reactive shot. The head shot requires a reactive shot also. Use the time once. 3. Transitioning from small to large target area is quicker. This can almost be a predictive shot; the same cannot be said for the reverse. 4. Transitioning to a more difficult reactive shot after a string of 4 predictive shots is going to take longer as you need to settle the gun down and settle yourself down. 5. Dry fire training a slow precise single shot is practical. Training a slow precise shot after a rapid fire string of four shots is not. You can get 1k reps of the head shot from the holster free; the same cannot be said of the reverse. If you are looking for a few tenths to get to masters and this is legal why not give it a go, the timer doesn't lie. This is not a strategy for a match stage, this is simply my interpretation/understanding what the fastest best way to shoot this skills test.

I am doing fine, thanks for your concern. You should probably imagine less; its a simple technical question on the rules of the game. M

Thanks for the input! Thomas: I like your argument on how its written "and" vs "then". Words mean things. Mike: 100%. New to the game and my biggest task right now is the mental management! Reading/listening to Steve Anderson to improve this side of my game. If I slow down to expert level 5x5 times no problem counting the shots and shooting in the typical order. Yesterday working on improving my speed only is when this first popped up (one of S Andersons lessons; work on speed or accuracy not both at the same time. I did get down into the Master times but my groups were opening up a little and I was shooting faster than I was thinking. Switching to head than body got me 16.82 with a single point down. about 3 months ago when I shot my first abbreviated classifier I achieved the classification of MM with a 29.79 now I can break a 20 with ease and pushing myself I can get down to sub 19s. RoundEye: Understood about the PE, I did not remember that particular rule (3.2.2.2) but that is the essence of my question and my understanding the spirit of IDPA and the 5x5. I will continue to work on my game! M

Good morning shooters, When I practice the 5x5 and I am going for my fastest possible time I have forgotten to transition to the head shot at the end of the fourth string. I can slow down but I found that if I just start with the head shot and then transition to the torso I can post up sub 3 sec times. Is that legal or would I get a penalty for that strategy? Thanks for your thoughts in advance. Miguel

I know the thread is a little stale but I want to throw my 2 cents in as a new shooter. It seems to me these gun game sports is a practical way to shoot something more situationally applicable than a B-8 @7, 10, or 25 yards (which I enjoy plenty). I know it's not a real life gun fight but it certainly entails more skills than my monthly bullseye match. An artificial round count might have been initially set by the Clinton magazine band but since that has gone away it remains useful to force a mag change. Mag changes is a skill set that needs to be practice to maintain competency, just like grip, trigger control, sight alignment, etc ... The sport is about applying skills to build muscle memory in the event you may need to use said skills under duress in real life. Who cares if the mag change happens at 10 rds or 15. Per the spirit of the sport a stage should require shots accurately on target, while being mindful of cover, and include a mag change. Use time and accuracy to asses a players competency. Create a rule set that everyone plays by to establish parity and you have a sport. My 2 cents. M

Lol. Right on!

Afternoon shooters! New member here from South Florida. I shoot a mix of matches which include bullseye, PPC, and IDPA (recent addition). Been lurking for a while finally decided to signup. I have a predilection for 1911s and 2011s, particularly STI's. Cheers! Miguel