Brammy

Important note to my hypothetical stage...the hardcover is painted...and there is a hit at the edge of the steel hardcover...indicating a partial hit as per 9.1.6.3..

HI Guys, I see this topic has come up before and been discussed...9.1.6.3 is pretty clear, but the application of 9.5.5 seems very discretionary and up to the RO, particularly where the hardcover is made of 'hard material' . My question is in a situation where the hard cover is made of impenetrable material , such as a steel hard cover, then a partial hit on that hard cover will result in the destruction/distortion of the bullet, and render the resulting hit on the paper target behind it being of a 'non round hole', and the strict application of 9.5.5 would probably result in this enlarged hole in the target being scored as a miss. It seems to me that if we accept that the hit is a partial hit, then we must also accept that the hit or portion of the bullet that strikes the target is also a 'partial bullet'. That partial hit can only be the diameter of the bullet to start if the hardcover is penetrable. If the hardcover is physically impenetrable, then the resulting hole made by a bullet that has partially hit the hardcover must also be in relation to a 'partial bullet' and could not be the size of the original bullet. The hole in the paper can be a larger or smaller tear, etc, depending on the physics of the hit. Would it necessarily have grease marks, crown, etc?...I am not sure it would....a ballistics question here...has any tests been done? Assume a stage with one paper target behind a steel hardcover....the competitor fires 2 shots.. on the second shot there is a distinct sound of the steel hardcover being hit....we go to score the target and there are 2 holes....1 the size of the competitors bullet that is clearly a hit, and another that seems to be a partial hit as per 9.1.6.3 ...this second hole however may or may not exceed the diameter of competitors bullet depending on the physics of the bullet impacting the hard cover and the subsequent travel and hit on the paper target, and it may not have any grease marks etc on it ... why would it not be scored as a hit under 9.1.6.3?...what else except the bullet would have made that hole in the target? and how does 9.5.5 affect this? I welcome some thoughts and clarification on this one. Thanks.

That's a tough one man.... But you will bounce back better than before.... Keep up the great shooting.... I learn a lot from your analysis and videos.

Awesome video....reminds us to be thankful for the things we take for granted everyday....also shows what determination and true HEART can do!

Good Luck at the Nationals Charlie!

Cha_Lee....good point...I had been thinking more about low light conditions, but in really dim or No-light conditions, the all black rear would black out,then it would be a front sight only with no reference...definitely not good. I think the important thing is as you said is to see all the sights (front and rear) and for the brain to effectively process the sight picture and get the hits. Back to USPSA...I run a similar set up with the fiber front and the all black rear....started with red, tried green, but have gone back to red since I have started shooting the open gun for the past few months, so I figure I just keep that red up front on all the guns. The green is definitely brighter in low light though as far as my eyes go. Thanks for the feedback, I follow your posts and find your tips quite helpful, and congrats on the GM in limited. I currently have a A classification in Limited, and realise there is a ton of work to be done to get to a consistent M much-less GM, so hats off on the work ethic. The detailed rundown of your stages and video have been a great help to me in analyzing the stages, and raising my game plan as well, and I can tell you put a lot of work in this diary that you could have instead dedicated to your training. Thanks.

Great idea....I am doing this the wrong way now...which is that me and the other few workers in the squad are doing all the RO'ing, taping and resetting while the deadbeats and prima-donna's slouch around....can't wait to see the looks on their faces when this plan goes into effect!!!

Hi Cha-Lee....I wanted you to elaborate on the shot calling with 3 dot night sights....I haven't shot my carry gun with a similar 3 dot night sight set up in over a year (night shoots are rare in my neck of the woods), and since then I have become much better at shot calling and shooting the gun faster...my vision has definitely 'opened up' and I now see more..lol....what I did recall, is that the contrast of colours in the sights from rear (orange) to front (green) was not very evident when shooting the gun, and I never found the 3 dots anymore helpful than if only one was there. My thinking is to use a all black rear sight with a front night sight, so that way the setup would be similar to a Limited gun fibre optic sight with all black rear sights....hopefully. I can experiment by blacking out the rears(I have a set of Tru-glo's on a Glock 17) and dryfiring. I will finally get to test the setup at the end of the month as the club finally has a night shoot scheduled. Let me know your thoughts on mine!

Thanks for the replies guys..... The prop in question was a Texas star..... The shooter had one run where he hit the frame twice, missed several times then nicked a plate. The RO then declared REF and stopped him while simultaneously the said plate fell to the ground... On the second run he nicked the plates a few times without them falling, shot them all off, and the RO offered another reshoot which was declined.....would the off centre hits still allow a REF to be declared on the star or on plates?

I should add also that the course of fire had been completed and all the plates were shot down

I know the rules speak to the fact that if an RO sees a plate hit in the prescribed area but not fall, then he/she can stop the competitor and declare equipment malfunction and offer a reshoot. The question I have though is what happens if a plate is shot in the prescribed area, does not fall on the first shot, is subsequently shot and falls, and the course of fire is completed. Would the RO have an option to offer a reshoot?.... I ask because at a recent match a reshoot was offered and the RO justified it as he claims the plates were being hit and not falling at the first hit.

Hi I would like to get those stages as well, kindly send to 'ryanbramwell@hotmail.com' Thanks a lot!!

I would bet good money that the guys who can....with the time,money,facilities,sponsorship,etc...build very similar stages and shoot them as practice leading up to a big match.

Dude, You've worked you butt off to get where you are now,and the GM classification from what I see will only be a formality to reward that work. The numbers don't lie. Congrats when it comes!!! As a new shooter, reading your 'tale' has given me a lot of pointers and motivation to try to get myself on that path. This forum and your posts have really made me appreciate now the fact that hard work,seeing and calling the shots as fast your skill level allows is more important to being good at this sport than just stroking that trigger as fast as you can. Congrats again man!!

Hate to ruin your dream but Jesse shoots for Smith and Wesson. Crap!!!... That's what happens when you keep staring at the girl and not the gun!!!