Solairefastora
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Hello all,
What sear does the Stock II optic have, a one piece or a two piece?
Besides springs (and a new sear if two piece) what else would you need to get a Stock II up to snuff?
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Just curious, but where are you guys finding these Stock II ORs? I've been looking around, PD is sold out and almost nowhere has it for a reasonable price. How much did you guys pay for it?
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16 hours ago, Friedrich_der_Grosse said:
The spring that comes with the Beretta 92g from Wilson Combat that's in the box is the 20# hammer spring which for some reason still exists.
From the grapevine I’ve heard the original reason for the 20# hammer spring was because the M9 needed to be able to crack the hardest of NATO 9mm primers, something that is definitely not a problem for us normal people unless we get into WW3.
I would assume it has a use case for people who use rifle primers or such in reloads due to necessity.
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1 hour ago, ddc said:
If that were my goal and I was going to shoot Production I'd get a Sig P320 Legion and a bunch of stock 17 round mags.
I'd get a decent double belt system and a holster with a drop belt hanger attachment.
Buy a bunch of ammo and go shoot.
You can get a complete belt/holster/mag pouch set up from Stoeger's Pro Shop. One stop shopping.
That rig will get you way far down the road before you find it lacking.
If I was going to add one enhancement it would be the Gray Guns Comp trigger kit or The Sig Armorer equivalent.
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Rough prices:
Sig P320 Legion: $1000
Belt/holster/Pouches: $250
Couple extra mags and pouches: $100/$150
Total: $1400
That's the basic price of admission with brand new gear
Edited to add: I'm coming at this from the position of a P320 X5 shooter.
You can do more or less the same thing with any of the usual suspects.
I appreciate the advice!
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22 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:
Nils Jonasson won three USPSA national titles this year with Canik Rival.......$680 MSRP
And if you're used to what ISSF rifle shooting gear costs, why are you even complaining about a $500 red dot and $35 mag extensions?
Because I’m tired of the fuss. I’m tired of chasing after gear and stuff and just want to find a place where I can shoot a bone stock gun and get good without worrying about whether I have the right whiz bang stuff. I don’t want to shoot a dot and have to worry about breakages or finding “the best.” It’s definitely a problem with me, but that’s just my take.
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6 minutes ago, ddc said:
I'm pretty sure he meant "at the highest level he is himself capable of" and I believe he has already acknowledged that won't be very high.
Exactly! Even though most likely gear won’t hold me back due to my newness, it’s something that feels really cool to me as a shooter, especially coming from the precision air rifle and smallbore field. “Wow, so you’re telling me I can get the same gear a world champion shoots with for less than 2k?”
Coming from a world of having to have a 3-4k air rifle and a 2-3k shooting suit in order to come close to being competitive, it’s something that sounds cool.
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1 hour ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:
I understand that.
But people who don't know our sport need to understand any evaluation of equipment and skills needed to participate are made from a position of ignorance. They can't possibly know what it costs to actually start since they haven't done it (or likely even asked).
If someone really want to understand how little one needs to get started, go to a match and stick with one squad. Engage shooters when they are not getting ready to shoot and one will learn much more than one ever could otherwise.
Hmm, I see. That makes sense. I will definitely investigate and try that out.
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5 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:
I'm not going to rebut your post point by point, all I will say is that if you really believe what you wrote then you are clearly someone who has virtually zero experience in this sport and your assumptions come from a place of ignorance.
I appreciate the reply, this point is something I did address in my post (outside looking in perspective), so yes I do have minimal practical experience in the sport. The point I’m trying to make (and hopefully add a different perspective to this thread) is what someone who is not into USPSA thinks and evaluates when deciding “hey should I do this thing?”
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2 hours ago, Joe4d said:
A new shooter isnt classified,, So shooting limited, not major,, or not a 2011 isnt a handicap. Which older shooters need to STOP telling new shooters are shooting against,, other equipment.
They arnt. they are shooting against other people in the same class... IE new guy with an XDM, 9mm loads to capacity in limited.. Classifies as a C... he shoots against others that classify with a C with their equipment.
There is no gear handicap.
An older Guy who is already classified, and was using a limited major gun, would be handicapped if he went back to a minor gun.. As he would be classed with his older equipment which might pu him in a higher class than he is able to score with the minor gunThat's a fair point I definitely didn't think about.
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11 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:
I guess people don't like to read.
The point of rules isn't to help or hinder anyone. I'm struggling to understand what point are you trying to make.
Help me out.
The point of rules isn't to help or hinder anyone, but the problem is that they inadvertently do by the restrictions (or lack thereof). My response was more of a counter to @rowdyb's specific idea "why should we make rules for new shooters when they don't know them anyway (literally pulled from his comment)."
I realize my overall point wasn't really clear, so I'll talk from the perspective from someone who has been watching USPSA from the sidelines, sometimes participating in the shooting sports and wanting to get into USPSA but having some concerns about the rules. Overall, this is the perspective of someone who has done and (thinks he) understands the shooting sports via participation in them but have never been involved in USPSA specifically.
For the topic at hand, why would I prefer having a 15-round Production capacity over a 10-round one? First of all, reloads are hard. The usual and probably good from a competitive aspect answer would be "get good at reloads then nerd." For me, I would rather hone my skills in other aspects of the sport (stage planning, target transitions, recoil control, etc.) than reloads, so naturally I would prefer higher capacity divisions. But, the problem with CO/LO/L/O is the absurd amount of money and time I would have to dump in to get a competitive gearset. From the outside looking in, an optic ($500ish) basepads ($50-100ish) is a lot of dosh to add into the other gear necessary for initial participation in the sport. If I'm entering the sport with something like a Glock 34, I have literally almost doubled the amount of money I need to invest to get started. I would suspect other newer individuals would agree, but I have no evidence to make this claim. This is especially offputting in light of the fact that most normal doublestack guns can already hold 15-18 rounds, and a 15 round division would essentially let me compete at the highest level with the stock stuff that came with a gun (Shadow 2 $1200, 45 rounds enough to shoot any stage, I'm good to load and go).
I'm thinking of a lot of points to make, but I would like to hear some input on my ideas and make this a discussion rather than a one-way street.
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I am curious about one thing though, for those who say that newer shooters can easily do something like shoot leemeeted meener if they're starting out, couldn't the same concept be done in reverse?
If someone has been shooting for awhile, why can't they just shoot a self-imposed 10 rd Open/Limited/CO? Not trying to antagonize anyone, but I think that if individuals facing both questions (why not shoot lim minor or shoot 10 rd open) answer them honestly, we'll see a bit of an overlap of ideology.
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2 hours ago, rowdyb said:
Most new shooters know ZERO about the rules. Division, stage design or shooting. Let alone the nuance between a stage favoring high cap over low cap with their attending strategies by division.
It's not until aafftteerr they're new shooters that anything makes sense. And sometimes not then....
So why makes rules for or focused on new shooters when they don't know them anyway?
That's definitely a fair point, but I think there needs to be a distinction between a rule specifically designed to help newer shooters (not exactly sure what you're referring to, I hopefully correctly assume a larger mag cap in Prod) and one that helps both new and older shooters but helps newer shooters more.
More specifically in regard to your point, just because newer shooters don't know the rules doesn't mean they can't be negatively affected by them. There is also some credence to the idea of accessibility. Although one could easily argue that people who want to dedicate themselves hardcore to the sport will self-start and sift through all the rules by themselves, simplifying them to a certain extent (as long as it doesn't affect competitive integrity) just saves a gear check hassle.
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5 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:
Another thing that turns me off some if just needing so many damn mags. When I shot SS I had 5 on my belt and if I was shooting in the rain and mud I spent a lot of time cleaning mags. I like reloading, it's a skill I probably practice to much for being a high cap shooter. But needing 5 mags and 5 pouches and all that cleaning between stages is a PAI. Go from that to shooting PCC where you never drop a mag in the dirt and I didn't even bother to wear a belt 99% of the time.
140's are a nice middle ground, you still reload on most stages and only have one mag to clean. And can get away with only owning 2 mags if you need to.
This even brings me back to my 3-gun analogy, at the end of the day people just enjoy putting lead down range. Stuff that requires administrative attention (cleaning mags) takes away from the pew pew.
Sometimes a lack of perspective prevents people from understanding why people are tired of administrative hassles and just want to shoot guns for fun (why is my 3-gun dying????)
Again, not trying to be antagonistic or put people down but just trying to add some humor to my little strawman (look he has a funny hat)
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2 hours ago, Racinready300ex said:
I think you're on the right track. Most people who practice start out with draws and reloads. Some never really get past just working those things. Youtube and the gram are full of spicy reloads. I don't think it's really that people can't reload, that's more just what people who shoot low cap like to say to feel superior.
Stages over time have become vary hosey, and more and more shots from one position. This isn't super fun even with a hi-cap gun but it can be down right annoying with a low cap gun. Back when production was one of the biggest divisions stages had a different flavor to them. I am starting to see thing move back that way some. At the same time I'm seeing shots getting harder, probably because more stage designers have dots on their guns. This will push people into optic divisions. A 20 yard head box is basically impossible for a C class production shooter.
Another issue is everyone talks about a fantasy division and looking at the overall to see how they improved. Well, hicap guns finish higher in the overall. So if most people judge their finish based on the OA they are going to migrate toward hicap divisions. I think Practiscore is partially to blame for this.
Really good points overall. I think another issue is that the more hardcore and dedicated members of the sport are more willing to deal with certain niggles and inconveniences (having to do standing reloads in Prod) that a new person joining the sport might just up and say “this is stupid I’m shooting hi-cap” in response to.
I can definitely understand the hesitation to dumb down the sport in the name of participation trophies or being inclusive, but I think sometimes people swing too hard to the other side of the pendulum and think if people aren’t willing to deal with some of the negative aspects of divisions older people have gotten used to they just aren’t “hardcore enough.”
At the end of the day this is a game, and games usually involve a thing scientifically referred to as ‘fun.’ People shooting matches aren’t (usually) tactical superoperators honing their skills to shoot guns overseas at a foreign threat. Most of us just like “pew pew on paper and occasionally steel.” Sometimes it can be hard in our minds to strike a balance between fun and keeping things competitive/preserving the traditional aspects of the sport. A famous man once said, “if it’s not fun, why bother?”
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New guy, not really too heavily active in the USPSA field, kinda just been watching threads and reading from the sidelines with some popcorn and an XXL diet soda.
Looking at from a beginner point of view and being curious, what do the older more experienced guys think is preventing Production from being more popular if not reloads? From a newbie, a large part of the issue is not that I don’t want to do reloads, but that stage design seems to be trending more and more towards higher round counts and a hoser style.
There is definitely SOME credence to the idea that people are kinda lazy and just need to “git gud and do reloads,” but the public and participation numbers bear something out: there is some reason people have migrated from Production to CO. Whatever the reason, people don’t like Production.
This discussion reminds me a lot of the “Is 3-Gun dying?” thread, where a lot of people (not trying to denigrate them) said “but why don’t guys want to lug around a rifle pistol shotgun and each ammo type in order to shoot?” I hate to use the term “elitism” due to how it has lost its original meaning, but it seems to me there are some with a prevailing mindset that “I like production the way it is therefore just keep it even though the numbers show others don’t like it anymore.”
Just two cents, I would definitely like to be proven wrong or be told I’m dumb (what’s new, no need to remind me), but this is just from a new guy perspective watching from the sidelines.
Edit: sorry, kinda shoved this here because the production thread has not seen activity and I was reading this thread with some discussion on the topic. My bad
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EAA has begun enforcing MAP pricing. No idea why, sucks for the dudes who didn’t get on the Tanfo train yet. Guess IFG is the new hope. Look at the top banner: http://eaacorp.com/
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18 minutes ago, Blaize said:
What products are you talking about ?
I would assume he's talking about the reveal of the P320 X-Five Legion.
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I’ve been looking at a new holster for my M9A3 and have become really interested in this:
https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/92fs-96-abs-holster-rh-fo8000170999/e00811/
My only current concern is that it might not fit with my boss hangar. Anyone have experience or insight for someone unfamiliar with hangar attachment systems?
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I have an M9a3 I’m thinking of optimizing for production. What adjustable sights does you guys put on your vertec slides? I know beretta has a factory option with rear adjustable/red fiber optic, does anyone have any experience with it?
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Thanks for all the great work you guys do! Will they make Carry Optics weight without modification?
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1 minute ago, GringoBandito said:
Sorry bout that..I was referring to reloading your bullets longer than normal factory ammo.
No problem, I’m just really looking to learn about the nitty gritty details. Is loading long a preference thing? How does is affect the performance of the ammo?
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48 minutes ago, GringoBandito said:
If you want to load long for 9mm, the get the 38 super mags from tripp and the 10MM tripp mags if you shoot 40.
As a complete newbie, I assume you’re talking about reloading right? What do you mean by “load long?”
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If it’s that big of a deal, Im pretty sure putting in a G model conversion voids the need to start safety on(for obvious reasons).
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19 hours ago, Rnlinebacker said:
https://dawsonprecision.com/competition-ready-magazines/tripp-competition-ready-magazines/
Any of these competition ready magazines based on your budget. What caliber will you be shooting?
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I was thinking 9mm due to the large hordes of it I have.
Stock II Optic Sear One-Piece or Two-Piece?
in Tanfoglio (EAA / IFG)
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Gotcha, appreciate it! Wasn’t sure if they phased out the two piece sears in new IFG production, now I know!