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Gotcha, appreciate it! Wasn’t sure if they phased out the two piece sears in new IFG production, now I know!

Hello all, What sear does the Stock II optic have, a one piece or a two piece? Besides springs (and a new sear if two piece) what else would you need to get a Stock II up to snuff?

Just curious, but where are you guys finding these Stock II ORs? I've been looking around, PD is sold out and almost nowhere has it for a reasonable price. How much did you guys pay for it?

From the grapevine I’ve heard the original reason for the 20# hammer spring was because the M9 needed to be able to crack the hardest of NATO 9mm primers, something that is definitely not a problem for us normal people unless we get into WW3. I would assume it has a use case for people who use rifle primers or such in reloads due to necessity.

I appreciate the advice!

Because I’m tired of the fuss. I’m tired of chasing after gear and stuff and just want to find a place where I can shoot a bone stock gun and get good without worrying about whether I have the right whiz bang stuff. I don’t want to shoot a dot and have to worry about breakages or finding “the best.” It’s definitely a problem with me, but that’s just my take.

Exactly! Even though most likely gear won’t hold me back due to my newness, it’s something that feels really cool to me as a shooter, especially coming from the precision air rifle and smallbore field. “Wow, so you’re telling me I can get the same gear a world champion shoots with for less than 2k?” Coming from a world of having to have a 3-4k air rifle and a 2-3k shooting suit in order to come close to being competitive, it’s something that sounds cool.

Hmm, I see. That makes sense. I will definitely investigate and try that out.

I appreciate the reply, this point is something I did address in my post (outside looking in perspective), so yes I do have minimal practical experience in the sport. The point I’m trying to make (and hopefully add a different perspective to this thread) is what someone who is not into USPSA thinks and evaluates when deciding “hey should I do this thing?”

That's a fair point I definitely didn't think about.

The point of rules isn't to help or hinder anyone, but the problem is that they inadvertently do by the restrictions (or lack thereof). My response was more of a counter to @rowdyb's specific idea "why should we make rules for new shooters when they don't know them anyway (literally pulled from his comment)." I realize my overall point wasn't really clear, so I'll talk from the perspective from someone who has been watching USPSA from the sidelines, sometimes participating in the shooting sports and wanting to get into USPSA but having some concerns about the rules. Overall, this is the perspective of someone who has done and (thinks he) understands the shooting sports via participation in them but have never been involved in USPSA specifically. For the topic at hand, why would I prefer having a 15-round Production capacity over a 10-round one? First of all, reloads are hard. The usual and probably good from a competitive aspect answer would be "get good at reloads then nerd." For me, I would rather hone my skills in other aspects of the sport (stage planning, target transitions, recoil control, etc.) than reloads, so naturally I would prefer higher capacity divisions. But, the problem with CO/LO/L/O is the absurd amount of money and time I would have to dump in to get a competitive gearset. From the outside looking in, an optic ($500ish) basepads ($50-100ish) is a lot of dosh to add into the other gear necessary for initial participation in the sport. If I'm entering the sport with something like a Glock 34, I have literally almost doubled the amount of money I need to invest to get started. I would suspect other newer individuals would agree, but I have no evidence to make this claim. This is especially offputting in light of the fact that most normal doublestack guns can already hold 15-18 rounds, and a 15 round division would essentially let me compete at the highest level with the stock stuff that came with a gun (Shadow 2 $1200, 45 rounds enough to shoot any stage, I'm good to load and go). I'm thinking of a lot of points to make, but I would like to hear some input on my ideas and make this a discussion rather than a one-way street.

I am curious about one thing though, for those who say that newer shooters can easily do something like shoot leemeeted meener if they're starting out, couldn't the same concept be done in reverse? If someone has been shooting for awhile, why can't they just shoot a self-imposed 10 rd Open/Limited/CO? Not trying to antagonize anyone, but I think that if individuals facing both questions (why not shoot lim minor or shoot 10 rd open) answer them honestly, we'll see a bit of an overlap of ideology.

That's definitely a fair point, but I think there needs to be a distinction between a rule specifically designed to help newer shooters (not exactly sure what you're referring to, I hopefully correctly assume a larger mag cap in Prod) and one that helps both new and older shooters but helps newer shooters more. More specifically in regard to your point, just because newer shooters don't know the rules doesn't mean they can't be negatively affected by them. There is also some credence to the idea of accessibility. Although one could easily argue that people who want to dedicate themselves hardcore to the sport will self-start and sift through all the rules by themselves, simplifying them to a certain extent (as long as it doesn't affect competitive integrity) just saves a gear check hassle.

This even brings me back to my 3-gun analogy, at the end of the day people just enjoy putting lead down range. Stuff that requires administrative attention (cleaning mags) takes away from the pew pew. Sometimes a lack of perspective prevents people from understanding why people are tired of administrative hassles and just want to shoot guns for fun (why is my 3-gun dying????) Again, not trying to be antagonistic or put people down but just trying to add some humor to my little strawman (look he has a funny hat)

Really good points overall. I think another issue is that the more hardcore and dedicated members of the sport are more willing to deal with certain niggles and inconveniences (having to do standing reloads in Prod) that a new person joining the sport might just up and say “this is stupid I’m shooting hi-cap” in response to. I can definitely understand the hesitation to dumb down the sport in the name of participation trophies or being inclusive, but I think sometimes people swing too hard to the other side of the pendulum and think if people aren’t willing to deal with some of the negative aspects of divisions older people have gotten used to they just aren’t “hardcore enough.” At the end of the day this is a game, and games usually involve a thing scientifically referred to as ‘fun.’ People shooting matches aren’t (usually) tactical superoperators honing their skills to shoot guns overseas at a foreign threat. Most of us just like “pew pew on paper and occasionally steel.” Sometimes it can be hard in our minds to strike a balance between fun and keeping things competitive/preserving the traditional aspects of the sport. A famous man once said, “if it’s not fun, why bother?”