Woodsparrow
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Nolan, you're saying it'll work, no problem? Just double checking before I spend big bucks.
Any idea what the length of pull of the comp stock on the tactical model was? That half inch shorter might be good for me.
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I found a thread here from about 2014 mentioning that you can take the Extrema 400 stock with Kickoff plus (I may have mangled those names) and put it on a 1301.
I really dig the 1301 tactical, but am pretty recoil sensitive. I'd be happy to chuck in a few more bucks if it makes the whole system throw full power 12 gauge with the recoil of a 410 or something.
Does that still work? Or have the models changed in the past 8-10 years? What does it change the length of pull to, if anything? I won't ever be wandering around in carriers or armor, so I don't think I need the factory 13" LOP on the tactical model, but it would make it easier for my wife (a petit 5'0" person) to try the shotgun. I don't know if she ever actually will, it's just one of those nice-to-have things if it's possible.
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Back in September I took my first foray into NFA items, for my birthday. I bought the UWS stock for my Sig. Fast forward to this weekend, and it was the first time I had to actually run it (Holidays, Covid, indoor gun ranges, etc.).
The setup was a Carry P320 slide/barrel, B&T Grip, standalone FCU (so custom shop I guess?). Sig Romeo 1 Pro.
It was rampagingly ok. Uncomfortable to hold with a normal grip since it's so close. Smashing the impact of a 9 into a stock the length and width of a finger isn't fun either.
So, I figure I'll throw a slightly longer barrel, a comp, and a grip on it to really lean in to the mall-ninja. Maybe work on a fixed stock I don't hate in the future, but for now try drop-on parts that might help a bit. Also keep my eye out for the Flux, or Rampage Alpha, as improvements, since I've already SBR'd the thing.
Anyway - I'm thinking a grip because that was sort of naturally where my hand drifted. I'm thinking longer barrel (and/or comp) to extend the blast past that grip and lessen 'blow a finger off' risks. I don't really know jack about comps or grips. So I thought I'd ask advice from anyone who's messed with them more.
Price-wise it looks cheaper to actually buy a full size P320 with threaded barrel and swap the carry slide/barrel/grip onto the new FCU, thus producing one carry-size p320 and one SBR'ed p320 with threaded barrel.
But, then again, I'm not sure if I should just slap on a threaded carry length barrel and comp that, or if I should use a full length barrel, or a comped full length barrel (with appropriate slide).
At this point, it's mostly just a silly range toy that I'm trying to make as fun to shoot as possible, rather than practical. Like I said, I might try working out a fixed wider stock in the future, or working with someone who's actually not an ape with a hammer like me to pin on a telescoping stock with a not-crap buttplate.
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10 hours ago, z40acp said:
In my area there are at least three Gun Shops that have them in stock for $349.99. The coating might make them hold up to more cycles? You can get a whole Legion for $900. Do all the FCU's in the non Legion guns have the Legion trigger bar?
Last time I read up on it the Performance FCU is essentially the legion FCU. Which is to say, non-legion guns don't have it, but the FCU is a legion gun.
As far as pricing, FCU for 350, grip for 30-50, slide/barrel for 300-400, and you're pretty close to the legion pricing anyway, without even having any mags.
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8 hours ago, terrydoc said:
Use the gear you have for the CZ and just get a holster of your choice for the Sig.
I can see how my post wasn't clear - I don't have a belt at all. I don't even own a cheapo one right now. Pandemic panda weight, nothing fits.
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1 hour ago, AR_James said:
The Wilson grip has an "enlarged, integrated magwell opening for fast reloads", so would that make it illegal for USPSA Carry Optics?
Well, that would suck for me. Guess I'd have to buy a different grip.
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2 hours ago, SGT_Schultz said:
Do only what is necessary.
Ha. Most of the time my guns are an exercise in the opposite. I really like building things, and having a box of parts that becomes a gun is fun, but if you're buying X, might as well by 'performance Y' for 3$ more instead...
Which ends up with me making silly guns half the time.
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1 minute ago, SGT_Schultz said:
It seems to me that those who are in a habit of tearing down mags and cleaning them after each stage either shoot or used to shoot open or limited pistols with finicky magazines.
In my experience, those using duty/service pistols for competition are far less likely to clean mags during a match and less likely to have dirty mag related problems. Service pistols and their magazines are designed to be more tolerant of such abuse.
This year I've shot two major matches in a neighboring state where the soil is very fine and sandy. In both matches I simply unloaded mags and ran the followers up and down a few inches a couple of times, and wiped the outside on my pants. Did not have a single malfunction in the 20 stages that made up both matches.
The guns were CZ polymer pistols with their OEM magazines.
So KISS principal? I'm fine with being a lazy bum too
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3 hours ago, louu said:
And you might as well just go ahead and post a picture in your for sale ad
This isn't a FS ad. I'll make one eventually, but didn't want to just come in and crap up the place, since the FAQ says it's a common issue. I only mentioned the CZ to explain where I started - you can see that a lot of people talked about gearing and agreed that I over-geared etc.
Mostly I hadn't looked at USPSA in a couple years, and forgot the divisions, or what items I would 'need'. Hell, I joined a couple years ago and just don't post much, my last thread was about trying to make a 1911 from parts in 2020 (which I decided was way above my 'glock' skill level for now).
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10 hours ago, cheby said:
let us know if you find any in stock
1 hour ago, BillChunn said:With the abundance of after market parts for the P320, you could construct the gun you want around the FCU versus buying the P320 and then replacing parts. There is a couple of barrels and a grip in my unused Sig parts box as my Legions were purchased and then retro-fitted with the stuff I wanted.
BC
I haven't looked since they came out. But when I did, it was actually cheaper to buy a P320, standard, then reconfigure it to whatever you wanted. Barrel/Slide were the main problem at the time, because buying them alone was a bit harder than it needed to be, and ridiculously expensive, only 1-2 places seemed to make them, and I'd have needed to buy direct from Sig.
Especially when you wanted something more roccoco like the Legion - that tungsten infused grip was expensive, as was the cut slide. I think trying to do one with an FCU build was 20% more than just buying it, and the legion was actually easier to buy (FCU being newer and cheaper)
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1 hour ago, BillChunn said:
One of the things to remember is that the spring has to push all the loaded rounds upward before the slide cycles so a round makes it into the chamber. Weak, dirty or worn out springs cause jams by not pushing the round up fast enough to be in place before the slide picks it off the magazine. Rounds will roll or slide against the side of the magazine depending on how much friction is generated as they are pushed upward.
There are products out there that do a fantastic job lubricating the inside of the magazines. Mag Slick (link) is a dry lubrication you spray on the inside of a cleaned magazine (preferable in a "well ventilated area" as the instructions state) that dries to a film. Wet lubricants tend to trap and hold onto dirt.
The second item is a good magazine brush (there are several) that you can use to brush out the dirt and accumulated junk after the loaded magazine hits the ground. A cleaning patch is wrapped around the tip and then the brush is inserted from the bottom. The spring and follower are cleaned along with the basepad. Everything is put back together and you are good to go.
The ability to quickly clean a magazine comes in handy, specifically if you are up first on the next stage.
BC
Never would have thought of cleaning a mag like that. I'm also used to non-competition situations where it doesn't much matter if you leave it to dry for a few hours.
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14 hours ago, SGT_Schultz said:
Your pistol is perfect to start with in CO. Just two or three cheapo plastic mag pouches, a stiff pants belt (your ccw belt should do), and a basic plastic holster is all you need.
The advice on mags that you got earlier today is spot on. Just don't add a magwell, they're not allowed in carry optics.
I hadn't planned on it this time, but thanks for the advice, I'll make sure I stay away.
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I kinda skipped around - wouldn't have thought of calling it a Roland Special or a 'Nemesis', it's always been 'that stupid f*#king gun we can't make work' between my buddy and I. I think he ended up parting it out.
I've never seen anybody take full use of the FCU options like this either, it was cool.
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I was looking around at the P320 FCU options. Does the standalone, 'custom shop' FCU really do anything interesting when compared to just buying the whole pistol?
Seems like it's more expensive for any given application.
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Well, I'm sorry for your loss - I worry about the day I have to lose our 1 year old pup myself. It's always hard.
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On 7/29/2021 at 3:23 PM, texasdawg said:
Reloading components are getting less scarce, but I think it would be tuff to start now. Saving brass can never hurt cause worst case you can sell it for scrap metal prices,,,
The best time to start was yesterday, as always :). Sure, a lot of people had hard times finding reloading supplies because the ammo crunch was nuts. But I'd guess reloading comes back online a lot faster, all the fair weather reloaders will knock it off once they get reliable ammo.
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New to the forum, bumming around old topics, this was pretty cool
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Welcome!
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On 2/11/2021 at 7:36 PM, Atlasguy321 said:
I’ve seen the 1911 style blue gun that takes a detachable mag. Has anyone seen one for a 2011?
thinking about using a blue gun in the back yard to work on some stuff but want one that takes detachable mags.
Maybe this is a terminology thing, but is 'blue gun' the notoriously plastic training gun that isn't a gun? I've never heard it before.
As someone else said, Hi-Cappa is probably best. That was the suggestion I got last time I considered Airsoft.
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1 hour ago, Racinready300ex said:
I think that's kind of common. Buy a ton of gear and never end up using it because the focus is on the gear. The focus should just be on getting out there and shooting.
I know a few guys who do pretty well with just a 320 and three 23 round mags a normal belt with two pouches and a basic kydex holster. Pretty much a IDPA rig less the fishing vest. The only real limitation with that set up is you and the time you're willing to invest in getting good.
Yeah. I never envisioned the gear helping - it was just stuff I wanted and I figured it wasn't too expensive (at the time I was single, now I'm married and we've got a 7 year old). It was spiffy having a closet full of fun guns, but now I'm like 'I've got 17 minutes between X and Y if I want to practice something it's got to be specific'.
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21 minutes ago, Eric802 said:
There's the "start with inexpensive stuff in case you end up not enjoying it" theory, and the "buy once cry once" theory. I was on a limited budget when I started (still am) and went with a cheap belt/mag holder set from a company called Krydex on Amazon - it was less than $60 for the belts (inner and outer) and 4 mag carriers. I've since added a 5th one. I think it's a Black Scorpion knock-off. It is definitely not the best quality - the belt is not nearly as stiff as the name-brand belts, but it holds my holster just fine and is certainly not holding me back at all. I'm not necessarily recommending that route, but it's viable.
The first couple matches I shot were actually with a 511 concealed carry belt and USGI surplus mag pouches, so the set-up from Amazon was a significant improvement.
I used to be in the 'buy once, cry once', category, but I've subsequently wasted too much money and time on over-gearing everything, so now I'm in the 'buy cheap, use it till it breaks, then upgrade' camp.
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23 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:
In CO you can fill your mags up, so 3 17's give you 51 rounds and the biggest stage you'll see is 32. So that should be fine.
Good belts are better but I've shot matches with $10 belts from Walmart. Those Walmart belts wont last for ever, but they'll work. And it's not like your gun is all that heavy which will make it easier.
Yeah, at this point I'm moving from 'real race rig' to 'screw it, can I just show up and try this for once in my life' expectations. I may still buy a couple backup magazines, I prefer to have 5 for anything, just haven't gotten around to it.
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21 minutes ago, BillChunn said:
3 magazines are fine to start, just make sure you have something in your gun bag to clean the ones that get dropped. They tend to hit the ground bullets first as that is the heavy part. Dirt / sand / mud gets into the magazine and can really foul it up. When that happens, be able to quickly disassemble the magazine, clean it and re-assemble it to be ready for the next stage.
There is a ton of equipment out there. Hold off buying a competition belt until you see what is in use at the range or a match. People will be more than willing to tell you about their gear and why the selected what they did, just ask. But don't ask questions when they are the "on deck" shooter who might be mentally going through their stage plan at that moment.
BC
So here we're just talking pull the base plate, get the dirt out, maybe a little oil to prevent rust, then re-assemble? So something like a CLP or Clenzoil wipe?
I never leave the house for a range-day without at least a couple tools for the given firearms I'm taking, so I should be good there. Too many 'well we drove an hour out to Maypearl and lost one screw so guess we're not shooting today at all'. things.
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Yeah, after I went so hard and did nada, I was looking to ease in this time - get to a point where supplies are limiting not skill, maybe. Is 3 magazines enough? Or do you need 5?
Can I start with a cheapo belt, or do I 'really need' to start with a competition belt?
1301 with Kick off?
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Thanks! Guess I'll end up figuring it out the hard way :)