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    Shadow 2 Parts in Sp01

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    Posted · Edited by DementedAntics
    Clarification

    Since many of you 2 owners upgrade your guns, would a stock S2 parts as the hammer be a considerable upgrade in an Sp01?  Also will shadow 1/2 sights fit an Sp01?

    Sp01 easy/first mods

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    Update:

     

    New grips and all the CGW parts I ordered are fitted to the gun. Wan to thank @eric4069 for the grips, and everyone for all the help and guidance, special thanks to @rowdyb. All there is left to do is shoot it! Unfortunately not is weekends match bc I don't have a holster for it yet. 

     

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    Sp01 easy/first mods

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    Thanks for all the replies. I ordered and installed the srs-1 Short reset system, Reduced power trigger return spring, floating trigger pin, and 11# recoil spring. Feels  much better than OEM but have yet to shoot it, thus I cannot speak to how it functions yet. 

     

    Sp01 easy/first mods

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    1 hour ago, rowdyb said:

    For stuff that's plug and play that's a great shopping list. The trigger return spring can be a challenge unless you are comfortable doing a detail strip of the gun. But if you're bascially mechanically inclined you'll be able to get it with only mild cursing. And it does help reduce the DA trigger pull.

     

    I'm not super familiar with all of CGW offerings, so not sure how to advise you there. But yeah, eventually a hammer will be nice. For me, the trigger is all about your reach and the feel of the shoe on your finger.

     

    Ok great, since your not super familiar with CGW, do you prefer CZ custom shop? I don't know which is better or what to go with. 

     

    1 hour ago, bowenbuilt said:

    I'd say you have done well in choosing your parts. Get ready though, when the bug bites it digs in hard. Cajun Gun Works has the bug. I know you will enjoy it and also the 5 to 7 more you will buy right after it. 

     

    Thanks for for the input, I'm just trying to do it right the first time. So any help I can get from you seasoned CZ guys is great! 

     

    42 minutes ago, Ken6PPC said:

    Those parts will help your SP-01 a lot, but be careful.  It is a "slippery slope" to where you have put more money into your pistol than you intended!    

     

    At some point, it may be better to buy what you wanted to start with.  

     

    Yea your right about that, my M&p9 was my production gun I planned to shoot forever and get better with. Next thing I knew I got a great deal on a Trijicon Rm06, magwell, and full apex trigger and it's basically a carry optics or open gun Hahah. In truth when I'm done could I have bought a shadow2 or a tangfo stock2 like I wanted? Yea. But I do love tinkering with guns and I do love buying more. All the reading I've seen says you can get about 90-95% of a shadow with a modded Sp01 (I know it will never be as good as a non-fpb CZ) how true it is idk.  Y goal is to get my gun shooting as best I can for a good deal. So if in theory and reality I spend $1100 total on an Sp01 and mods and could have gotten a shadow for 900-1k, oh well, I spent $1-200 more but at least I will have learned a lot and I will still have a sweet shooter from what I've seen/read (fingers crossed hahah). 

    Sp01 easy/first mods

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    So here is what I have in my cart. Looks like I have all that I need? I was looking at your build thread @rowdyb and matched the parts you have and advised.  My next question is, can I basically build the competition package from CGW overtime if I wanted or will I have to toss these parts and just buy the bundle they have. I think all I'd have left would be a hammer and trigger correct?

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    Sp01 easy/first mods

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    12 hours ago, rowdyb said:

    Kneeling Atlas' tuning guide here in the CZ section is the definitive source. Follow it to the T and you'll be happy and much more knowledgeable and comfortable about your gun.

     

    Thta at is an awesome resource. Thank you. 

     

    5 hours ago, muncie21 said:

    Once you finish with the springs and firing pin stuff, I'd suggest putting in the Cajun 10x bushing.  It really improves barrel fit in the slide, resulting in better accuracy (provided you do your part)

     

    Is that production legal? 

    Sp01 easy/first mods

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    30 minutes ago, rowdyb said:

    Change your main spring to a 13# or 11.5#. Change your recoil spring to 11# if shooting 147gr bullets. You can get buy with the standard firing pin for a while, but a reduced power one here is nice too. Either source these from CZC or CGW.

     

    Recoil spring involves a basic field strip.

    Firing pin spring involves removing the plate.

    Main spring involves removing the grips, two pins and the mag brake.

     

    Even if you are completely mechanically disinclined you can still eventually muddle through these three things, especially watching a video of it.

    Thanks I will get these parts ordered. 

     

    28 minutes ago, rowdyb said:

    Truly the best bang for buck is a very well done polish job of all the appropriate parts.

    Which parts do you recommend? Is there a good guide or how to I can reference?

     

    4 minutes ago, Ken6PPC said:

     

    DementedAntics has a regular SP-01, not a Shadow.  So, his pistol doesn't have a FP plate.  It will have a firing pin retaining pin, and a firing pin block.  Just don't want to confuse him.   

     

    Of course, it is still pretty simple to pull the FP and swap it out...  

     

    Yes I have a regular sp01 non shadow. 

    Sp01 easy/first mods

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    2 minutes ago, Ken6PPC said:

    I'd say an extended firing pin with reduced power FP spring and main (hammer) spring.  

     

    https://cajungunworks.com/product/54420-ultra-lite/  

     

    Have you used these? If so thoughts? I see that it says 50% reduction in DA any change in he SA pull? would you recommend an 11# recoil spring also? Is it known what those main spring weights are for black and blue? Thanks for your help. 

    Sp01 easy/first mods

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    Posted · Edited by DementedAntics
    Clarity

    Which spring mods are an easy thing to do for a beginner to clean up the sa/da pull? What mods are the best bang for the buck before diving in for full production legal kits? I'd like to slowly buy parts overtime to build a production legal Sp01. 

    Deciding on Sp01 vs Sp01 Tactical

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    Based on all the replies I'm going to go with an Sp01 at this time and shoot it as is with maybe a few upgrades. As many have stated there are many great shooters utilizing a standard Sp01 and it works for my current budget. I appreciate all the help and knowledge people have given to make the choice an easier and more informed one ??. Time to join the CZ "master race". 

    17 hours ago, muncie21 said:

    I have a SP01 tactical (safety model) and Shadow 2.  If you are a Product class B (or under) shooter, I doubt the nicer trigger on the Shadow 2 will provide much of an advantage.

     

    Now lets look at pricing (new) for a second.  A SP01 will run ~$650 and the Shadow 2 around $1,200.  Depending upon the upgrades to the SP01, you'll eat into that $550 savings quickly.  The full-on Cajun competition package is ~$400 in house or $300 if you do it yourself and this does not include the 10x bushing, which IMO is one of the best upgrades for the SP01.  BTW, if you are installing the bushing, you might was well get a FO front site too, as you'll need to remove the front site pin to install the bushing.

     

    If you only intend to install a few upgrades on the SP01, the lower cost makes sense.  If you're planning to go the full-Monty with the SP01, I think it makes more sense to get the Shadow 2; keep in mind there's not a lot to change with the Shadow 2.  You can basically run this out of the box.

    Just going to do a few mods nothing crazy at this point. 

     

     

    12 hours ago, GeneBray said:

    Your question centered on SP01 or Tactical variant and concerns over manual decocking.  I had the same concerns 7-8 years ago when I began shooting Production division.  I purchased the SP01 and do not regret, in the least, the decision.  I was paranoid for sometime over lowering the hammer.  I picked "pinch, pull, and lower" as opposed to "finger roll".  Learned how to do the technique, and do it slowly, deliberately, and exactly the same way each and every time I lower the hammer.  Never a problem.  Nearly eight years later, I do the technique the same way -- slowly and deliberately with my focus on the task and my mind not wandering.  

     

    After working more Production nationals, local matches, and Level II matches than I can remember, I have never seen anyone have an AD on the MR command and using a DA/SA pistol.  Virtually 100% certain some have occurred sometime just none that I've seen and I've seen a lot of CZ Production shooters. 

     

    Trigger in the DA/SA will be slightly better than a tactical.  But, is the difference functionally different enough that one pistol is better for competition than the other?   That discussion won't be resolved no matter how many cases of beer are consumed while beating it to death.  ;-)

     

    Either will work.  If you are an occasional shooter and do not dry fire a lot, then the maybe the tactical is a better choice.  If you are a serious shooter who is trying to be the best you can, then maybe the DA/SA is the best choice. 

     

    I suspect in reality there is no wrong decision here.

    Went witht the manual safety. 

     

    12 hours ago, Ken6PPC said:

    Gene is right...  There ARE no wrong decisions, and we got you sidetracked on the Shadow discussion.  

     

    I wouldn't worry about lowering the hammer.  It is easily done, and is only likely to be a problem if you aren't paying attention to what you are doing. 

     

    And, if you aren't paying attention, you probably shouldn't be shooting anyway!  

     

    Buy what you want!  You are likely to change your mind many times over, and that just leads to...  MORE GUNS!  LOL!  

    Thanks. You guys have me less worried about the safety of lowering the hammer manually!

     

    10 hours ago, himurax13 said:

    I have seen several good production shooters using a standard SP01. The differences between a nicely modded SP01 and a nicely modded SP01 Shadow are difficult for most people to notice. At speed, I doubt most shooters could tell the difference. 

     

    Since we do not reholster on the clock, take your time when manually decocking.

    Thanks for the info. Helped me decide!

    Deciding on Sp01 vs Sp01 Tactical

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    4 hours ago, GeneBray said:

    Your question centered on SP01 or Tactical variant and concerns over manual decocking.  I had the same concerns 7-8 years ago when I began shooting Production division.  I purchased the SP01 and do not regret, in the least, the decision.  I was paranoid for sometime over lowering the hammer.  I picked "pinch, pull, and lower" as opposed to "finger roll".  Learned how to do the technique, and do it slowly, deliberately, and exactly the same way each and every time I lower the hammer.  Never a problem.  Nearly eight years later, I do the technique the same way -- slowly and deliberately with my focus on the task and my mind not wandering.  

     

    After working more Production nationals, local matches, and Level II matches than I can remember, I have never seen anyone have an AD on the MR command and using a DA/SA pistol.  Virtually 100% certain some have occurred sometime just none that I've seen and I've seen a lot of CZ Production shooters. 

     

    Trigger in the DA/SA will be slightly better than a tactical.  But, is the difference functionally different enough that one pistol is better for competition than the other?   That discussion won't be resolved no matter how many cases of beer are consumed while beating it to death.  ;-)

     

    Either will work.  If you are an occasional shooter and do not dry fire a lot, then the maybe the tactical is a better choice.  If you are a serious shooter who is trying to be the best you can, then maybe the DA/SA is the best choice. 

     

    I suspect in reality there is no wrong decision here.

    Did you mean to say Manual safety if your a serious shooter?

     

    Also in response to the price difference. Right now the Sp01 and the Sp01 tactical are the same price. If that makes any difference. 

    Deciding on Sp01 vs Sp01 Tactical

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    Thanks for the replies. This will show how new I am to USPSA and IDPA, but I'm not sure what level shooter I am. I have never done a qualifying shoot and the one USPSA match I have shot I shot 49% match points. I'm not a top level shooter trying to gain an edge, I just sold my G19 in order to get more serious and all my research led me to the CZ platform and the Sp01 tactical seemed the best bang for the buck and easy to modify overtime into a gun that can grow with me as I progress in the sport. I totally understand the mindset of buy once cry once. But it seems like to big of a jump for someone of my level. 

    Deciding on Sp01 vs Sp01 Tactical

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    23 minutes ago, Ken6PPC said:

     

    By the time you pay for the work to make a SP-01 trigger as good as a Shadow, you could probably have just bought the Shadow...  

     

     

    Are you insinuating it's going to cost 6-700$ to get an sp01 to the level of a shadow? $600 vs 12-1300$ gun. 

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