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If you need to borrow a belt sander I'll bring one to our next match Mike. I want to get my hands on them before you modify them though to see how I like them!
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20 minutes ago, JusticeOfToren said:
If you look closely, the hammer in the catalog is a Titan hammer, not Delta hammer. In 2017 all xtremes come with Titan hammers by default.
This really does not matter that much, because in EU countries Tanfoglio ships Xtreme guns based on customer requests of any available Tanfoglio parts, including any Xtreme line or Unica line parts. I have comfired this with Tanfoglio directly. What this implies is that you will see Xtreme guns equipped with Titan hammers out of factory prior to 2017, most likely from EU shooters as EAA in the US does not allow customer direct orders.
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Thanks, good to know. I guess I'll be ordering a titan hammer!
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6 minutes ago, JusticeOfToren said:
Extreme Stock 3 in 45 CAP
Sweet! Good find, Thanks!
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10 hours ago, JusticeOfToren said:
If 45 CAP makes weight for IDPA, does that mean the parts on a 45 CAP Stock 3 can be used on 9mm Stock 3 (except barrel) as legal parts? I think the answer is yes. That indirectly makes the extreme parts SSP legal too. This is kind like how the Shadow was legal in SSP before the 2017 rules.
Yes it would make the stock parts on a 45 acp Stock 3 legal on any SSP gun. But what are the "stock" parts? The 45 acp Stock 3 does not have an extreme hammer, has the EAA "standard" hammer. And there are not any extreme variances in the 45 acp cartridge. It does however have the overtravel screw on the trigger that could be used.
But one one may argue that the since Stock 3 makes weight in one caliber then all variances of it, regardless of caliber, are "legal" and their parts are legal as well. What would be correct here?
Also, how is the Titan hammer SSP legal? Please explain, I'd love for that to be the case as I want to install one!
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23 minutes ago, MemphisMechanic said:
If someone wants to mail me parts, I'll install them and weigh the gun and mail them back.
I'm happy to help someone out who wants to build a competitive IDPA / Production all around gun, before they take the plunge and purchase a Stock III themselves.
Thank you, I'll keep that in mind.
I ended up doing the same calculations Johnbu did and ended up with the same approximate 1.3 oz savings with the 45 barrel alone and then the .5 savings with the mags. I think 45 is the way to go and it should make weight at approximately 42oz with all of the information we have gathered.
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Yes scales are 1.25 measured on the scale, the factory wood grips are .75 with no modifications.
I meant to say in the previous post that the hennings are .5 heavier, not just .5 weight, but my math added up anyways.
If you take the right side off of the ambi safety it weighs .25 so that's where I said the .2, but since the single side is .3 total that is .35 savings.
The factory guide rod is .9 and the PD guide rod is .25
in total that's 2 ounces saved off of a 46 ounce gun which equals 44oz give or take a few tenths. I say it's more than 44 due his removal of excessive material at the mag well but who knows.
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1 hour ago, JusticeOfToren said:
I am pretty confident that a Stock 3 9mm can make IDPA weight (<43oz). You have to use thin plastic grips (only 0.7 oz a pair), plastic guide rod, plastic factory magazine base pad and single sided thin safety (the one used on the new Stock 1).
Someone posted a picture of 44.5 oz Stock 3, but that's with the SSI scale grips and double-sided fat safety. How much does a pair of SSI scale grips weigh? 2 or 3 oz? Swap that out with thin plastic grips you are at 43 oz. Change the double-sided fat safety to a single-sided thin safety, you are below 43oz.
The ambi safety is only .2 oz more and the Scales grips are 1.2 oz. the factory wood grips are .6-.7 oz. the stock base pads are .15oz and the hennings are .5 oz.
i know Memphis has one that is listed at 46.1 with the scales and henning pads. Take off about 1.1 to account for that. Then .7 for a PD guide rod and another .2 for ambi safety and your down to around 44. I don't see 43 happening honestly in 9mm
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6 hours ago, wgj3 said:
Take a box and a scale to a shop that has one...?
Easier said than done since Tanfoglio is not exactly carried by most stores and is mostly only a special order firearm. Not sure of any local stores that carry Tanfoglio and more especially a stock 3 in 45.
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54 minutes ago, johnbu said:
I did some geeky engineer type math. Assuming no chamber just rifled barrel (worst case), a 45acp stock3 barrel will be AT LEAST 1.3 oz lighter than a 9mm barrel.
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45 barrel saves 1.3 oz
PD guide rod saves. 7oz
45 mag body without spacer saves .5
Opening magwell saves .2 oz
In total, a 45acp Stock 3 should save about 2.7 oz compared to a 9mm.
Thanks for the info. If this is the case it should be in the 42-43 oz area with the lightweight guide rod and stock wood grips and basepads.
Would still like actual measurement conformation before I buy in the near future.
Does anybody have a 45 acp slide conversion kit that we could weigh to compare to a 9mm slide? This would give us some much needed information for actual weight
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I am almost certain it will fit in the box. The stock 3 has the same slide as our lim pros and the frame has the same beavertail design and length in the rear. The only part that might be tight would be the extended dust cover. I remember when I was looking at the lim pro EAA had it listed at like 9 inches long on their website but it still fit no problem.
Just want to be sure of weight before I drop any cash on a fairly undesirable gun to most people, being that it's 45acp, and then be stuck with it if it doesn't make weight.
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2 hours ago, bulm540 said:
Why not a lim pro in 45 acp?
Already have a lim pro 9mm, want a stock 3, and one that could be IDPA legal as well to swap parts and make them SSP legal parts(factory trigger has overtravel screw and the xtreme variants have delta hammers, yes I know there is debate about the delta hammers already being legal)
2 hours ago, DenverDave said:I weighed my 9mm Stock III the other day....45 oz. So I am 99.99% sure there is no way the 45 ACP will make weight.
As stated here:
26 minutes ago, V2plus25 said:Well the whole idea is a bigger hole in the barrel and no spacers in the mags would shave a few ounces. Yeah I wonder what the weight difference is between a 9, .40 and .45 stock III.
And there's always the PD guide rod that'll save you .7 oz
There is a lot of weight to be saved between the 9mm and 45. The barrel has much less material. The mags are missing the spacer inside them. PDs new guide rod is super legit and saves 3/4 ounce. That right there should be enough to get it under 43oz I am thinking. And if that's not enough I'm pretty sure my modifying the magwell it would be enough to get it there. I believe it's easily obtainable.
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Does anyone out there have a stock 3 chambered in 45acp? Curious to know the weight of one and see if I can make it IDPA CDP legal (needs to be under 43oz) which I believe can be obtained.
Would also like to make it SSP legal for the sake of being able to interchange parts parts off of it and remain legal.
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Yes, the FSS kit will work with the stock trigger shoe but you will have a good bit of over travel (1/4 inch or so)
If you are planning on shooting production I recommend the competition kit. Comes with sear, springs and plunger and works great with the stock trigger shoe.
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You bring up a great point, now to find someone with a 45 Stock 3!
May have to sell my M&P CDP gun and pick one up if we find one that would work! Lol
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Does anyone know the weight of the super sight vs a fixed sight?
I imagine you could save close to a half ounce there. Might suffer in the asthetics department but who cares, all that matters a making weight.
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I was going to say, come shoot Bropen with us broke guys! Guess it's a compromise between open and production, but it's fun!