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Street Glide.
Shave or beard?
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We all agree that we want ICORE to grow, we all agree that more needs to be done, I think everybody has made valid points as to what our shortfalls are. I think that the problem cannot be directly linked to one thing or another, but parts that make up one key issue; growing our sport.
However, I don't believe that ICORE is any more accuracy dependent than any other. True classifiers do require better accuracy for shooter to class higher (but so does IDPA, USPSA, etc), but on field courses, (especially lots of steel) doesn't require an A-zone/X hit, it simply has to be hit or has to fall. Some MDs may have more paper set ups than steel arrays, and those would require X/A hits if they make them x-count stages with bonuses, and they may set up paper at longer distances than others, but that is at the discretion of a MD, not the sport. Other than classifiers, there is no mandatory X/A requirement for stages or distance to which targets have to be set. The imagination of the MD is the only limitation to make a match more challenging and more fun to shoot. We have used barricades, start, polish plate racks, dueling trees, poppers, speed plates, props, paper, port holes, basically anything that can be shot at/around/through, we have pretty much used. Field courses can be whatever a MD wants to do. If you watch ICORE videos, its not just paper targets and classifiers (let's be honest, some classifiers are fun, but most aren't and we go through them eagerly waiting the field courses) and neither is IDPA or USPSA.
The cost to get into it does not cost any more than any other IMO (mags, belt, holster, holders vs. moonclips/speedloaders, belt, holster, holders). Maybe the gun itself may cost more vs. a polymer pistol, but not much more than a CZ or base 1911. Again, if the cost is an issue for a shooter, some of diehard revo guys can help newer shooters out, lend a gun, clips/loaders, holster, holders if you have them to spare. Like I said before, when I first started, lots of guys offered to lend me stuff for a match to get me started, and I stuck around because they did and because I enjoyed it.
As far as getting non-ICORE shooters to come out, aside from ICORE org advertising to promote, it falls to local competitors and MDs to reach out. We have to be doing our part at the local level to drive interest in it. Put up flyers at local gun shops if they'll let you, talk to guys at gun shows (see if they will waive your entry fee), go to the other matches and find the revo shooters and talk to them about ICORE, find guys on forums who are local and invite them to come out (waive their match fee for first time maybe). I think that the MDs (myself included) should also try networking with other MDs in the same state/ territory/ region to encourage shooters to participate in matches beside the ones at just their local clubs. There are 3 clubs (one being the one I am a member of) within an hour of each other. If all 3 of us are hosting matches, we should be seeing a lot of the same shooters at those matches and we hopefully should be seeing newer shooters at all 3 if were are trying to support the sport as a whole.
Other revolver sports are falling out, this is true, but ICORE isn't quite the same animal, at least not in my experience. It's not just old standards and slow static shooting, it can be faster pace and I have shot stages that rival the challenge and fun of any USPSA course. I appreciate what everybody has been offering to the conversation and I hope that we can bring about a larger effort to promote the sport.
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Original NICS.
Jack Bauer or Mitch Rapp? (Who's tougher?)
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Forrest I really liked what you just said. I think that would be great ideas for anybody who is running matches to get more involved. I really like the idea of the referrals, bring somebody and get a discount. I know when I first started shooting ICORE, if I didn't have other experienced shooters around me to offer me tips/ spare ammo/ spare moonclip holders/ etc, I wouldn't have had nearly as much fun and would have been much more frustrated just starting out. I know there were a couple matches that had some long field courses in it and if nobody had let me borrow extra moonclip holders, I would have ran out of rounds before reaching the end (let alone the mikes).
As far as the manufacturers, I think they maybe be slow to get around to the idea, but they should be somewhat perceptive to it. I know that various MFGs have tried rebates with spare mags and other accessories thrown in through dealer incentives (like the M&P when they did the range kit with 3 mags, holseter, mag carrier and mag loader). I would guess that it would be more advantageous if the home org. were to contact them vs local/regional MDs. But I could see the advantage for both the sport and the manufacturers to offer something to that effect. They could send the MFG some publication to put in the boxes with the guns perhaps to let people know about competitive pistol sports.
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Hey guys, I was just reading through this post and I wanted to say I appreciate everybody who has commented. I am going to be the new MD for ICORE matches at our local club and I have been reading threads similar to this in hopes that I can retain it and put it to good use when designing stages myself.
With regards to the stage in question, I can offer no advice other than I have never seen or heard of anything like what the OP described. But I also wanted to add a issue that we came across during one of our USPSA matches. It wasn't until the morning of the match that we realized that in one of the bays as you started COF that you could see heads bobbing up and down from the next bay over. (Apparently the new berms were not made tall enough, which has since been corrected). The stages were looked over to see if they both needed to be thrown out due to safety reasons, but I believe only one ended up being an issue if memory serves me right.
What I learned from that experience was that sometimes you cannot see a potential safety hazard until the shooting starts. It also occurred to me that making adjustments as necessitated by those events, needs to be done, as well it needs to be done in a manner that it can hopefully affect the lowest number of shooters.
Needless to say, what I read here and have already learned, I am going to approach stage design with the mindset to look for these issues as well as have somebody else look over them to see if I didn't catch anything if possible. Thanks again guys.
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Mike, I agree with you that I don't think that it is anymore expensive to get into than any other competitive pistol sport. I think that there are just fewer people shooting revolvers in various types of shooting sports. There are plenty of revolvers sold every year (I work at a gun shop, and we sell a lot of revos), but I don't think many of the people buying them think about them in terms a competitive firearm, or they have no desire/ intent to shoot competitively at all. There are some people who buy them intending to shoot them competitively, but most of those guys have already been shooting USPSA/IDPA already and are wanting to "try something different". Do they intend to put forth the same amount of effort to master it as they did with their other divisions? Maybe, maybe not.
The problem I think for most places where ICORE/ revolver is starting to fade away is that either the shooters aren't showing up or there is a small concentration of them and it doesn't make it worth it for a MD to hold a match with so few shooters. I know some people have done outlaw before to allow autos, but I don't think that is the answer to bring participation to ICORE. I think they would just shoot it because its something else they could shoot, I doubt it would make them want to get a revolver to shoot ICORE. I think the best way to get more shooters for ICORE is to find them. Go to local ranges, find guys shooting revolvers and talk to them about it. I talk to customers about it all the time, especially those buying a new revolver. The local club that I belong to used to have ICORE matches, but the MD doesn't have the time to put into the past couple years, so I took the baton from him and have committed myself to doing it for at least the next couple years. I know that it may be difficult to get started, but I am going to do all I can to make it happen for those who want it.
http://www.icore.org/CylindersTurn/CT_Spring_2013_web.pdf
Confessions of a rookie match director. I am finding myself in this guys shoes right now. I have not been and MD before, but I am ready to make it work. I think this is what we need to do to make ICORE bigger, find guys who have the interest and make the necessary time and effort to make matches happen.
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What about a cooler with some dry ice and some desiccant packs? Should keep them cool and keep the moisture of them. I have considered the desiccant in a cooler just for the area where our club is (Louisville area). The summers don't always get hot, but they tend to be pretty sticky (86% humidity today).
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Currently 74, high of 81, with 86% humidity. Gotta love the Ohio river valley and its humidity trap...
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You go to the range with a new gun and you have more tools than a snap-on truck and enough ammo to shoot 5 matches.
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Striker.
Crossbow or longbow?
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Some were USPSA and IDPA folks that feel that revos in those two organizations aren't quite as welcomed as they once were.
That's kind of a weird thing to say--at least with regard to USPSA, which has approved two major rule changes (first allowing aftermarket barrels and mods, and later allowing the 8-minor option) that have dramatically expanded the USPSA-eligible equipment, and created a separate USPSA Nationals event (in conjuction with the SS Classic) that has attracted 5 times the previous number of attendees. I have been critical of USPSA in the past for not properly supporting Revolver Division, but I really can't make much of an argument these days.
I agree USPSA has made an worthwhile effort to promote more for revolver shooters than they have in the past, I was talking not so much about the USPSA organization as I was more so the shooters who don't think revolvers belong there.
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I run the Miculek grips on my 686, but I am running mild loads for ICORE, about 130PF 158gr. They don't beat me up, and I feel that my transitions from WHO and SHO are much easier because my hand can move easily around the grip until I feel my index points for my hand. IMO the checkering/ texturing provides to much grip and I am unable to manipulate the grip in my hand as it may be necessary sometimes.
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Question for you guys if you don't mind a quick hi-jack of this thread. The shop I work at is selling a collection of firearms for one of our longtime good customers (he's starting to liquidate before it becomes his wife's chore). He has a Bill Davis custom that he intends to sell and we are finding it difficult to provide what we think is a fair price for both him and prospective buyers. Its a model 15-3 nickel with a blue sight system. I've seen them listed/sold for $500-$875, any thoughts?
You really have to see the gun to evaluate it. The amount of usage/use of non jacketed bullets in the after market barrel is critical
Bore looks good, guy said he primarily just shot lead wad-cutters through it, but he never really competed with it. Unsure about number of rounds. Gun looks solid, no visible rust/oxidation or flaking of the nickel finish. Normal cylinder ring from actually shooting the gun, some carbon /scorch marks as expected. Gun basically looks like the one the OP posted pics of, but nickel and has large wood grips.
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Assuming beer, room temp for good beer.
Stout or IPA?
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My LGS has been keeping plenty of Hodgdon powders in stock.
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Cigar.
Scotch or bourbon?
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It was meant to be more comedic than anything, mostly to be a visual for how frustrating it can be to deal with the type of person who would do something like that. Like I said, I don't understand why anybody would do something intentionally like that. I respect my fellow shooters, their gear, their space/ concentration at a match, I would expect the same. Accidents are accidents and they will undoubtedly happen, that I can get along with.
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Question for you guys if you don't mind a quick hi-jack of this thread. The shop I work at is selling a collection of firearms for one of our longtime good customers (he's starting to liquidate before it becomes his wife's chore). He has a Bill Davis custom that he intends to sell and we are finding it difficult to provide what we think is a fair price for both him and prospective buyers. Its a model 15-3 nickel with a blue sight system. I've seen them listed/sold for $500-$875, any thoughts?
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I honestly think that if somebody ever intentionally stepped on one of my moonclips I would probably grab a mag off their belt and slam it on the ground and continue to jump up and down on it til they got the point. That is just flat out rude that they would do something like that. I'm generally a really nice laid back guy, but that kind of malicious behavior would definitely set me off.
That might get you disqualified from the match ahead of the guy who stepped on your moonclip.....
Might also get you a permanent ban from the hosting facility. If this is seriously an issue, go see the RM.
Not expecting anyone to ever step on a mag or moonclip = unrealistic thinking.....
Oh I know they will get stepped on, lost in mud puddles, fall into spools/barrels. At the end of the year I always find myself ordering more. I don't care if somebody accidentally mashes one because they didn't see it even, but intentionally doing it I just don't get. Nobody likes their gear getting maimed at the hands of anybody else (let alone ourselves sometime), so why would they intentionally do it. Yes I agree with you, it would be something better left handled by the RM.
Like I said, where I shoot, I have not found this to be an issue, and I figure most places, it wouldn't be. But there are jerks in every sport, and you can't stay away from them forever.
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Coffee.
Light or maduro?
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Dark.
Light roast or dark roast?
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I honestly think that if somebody ever intentionally stepped on one of my moonclips I would probably grab a mag off their belt and slam it on the ground and continue to jump up and down on it til they got the point. That is just flat out rude that they would do something like that. I'm generally a really nice laid back guy, but that kind of malicious behavior would definitely set me off.
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Flip Flps.
Choclate or fruit flavored candy?
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Pick one key feeling (from what you described) and remember to summon it as often as possible when you are shooting.
My issue is that I have been shooting so poorly for so many matches in a row now that I have lost the feeling of what shooting well truly feels like. This past weekend I shot the worst match I have (placement wise) since January of last year (2014), at only my third match ever. I was able to shoot an 88% classifier this weekend (Roscoe's Rattle), and would have shot over 100 on it had it not been for barely touching the no shoot to the left of the middle target. I wasn't even pushing it, or trying to zero or hero, just standing and shooting.
Yet, when I shoot the other stages I feel like everything I do is wrong. I can't hit the targets no matter how hard I focus on the sights, can't put my feet exactly where they need to go, and worst of all can't seem to shake it off and do better next time. Any words of wisdom that you could share?
One aspect that I believe to focus on is the mental discipline. I know I have experienced and have had to work on when I shoot a stage poorly, to not let it affect me on the following stages. No it is not an easy task and it is very easy to be overcome by (nerves, frustration, anger, etc) after a stage goes poorly for you. I have had to learn to let go of the bad stages as they come because I know they can affect the rest of the stages at a match. One stage does not always determine the outcomes of a match, but multiple poor ones absolutely will. For me, after I have had (and still have) stages that go awry, I have to come to the next stage thinking about executing it to the best of my ability (kind of a clean slate/ one stage at a time); there is no room in my head to dwell on the last one without clouding what I am trying to accomplish on the next stage.
That being said, I don't try to focus on going fast as much as I am focused on seeing my sight picture when I need to pull the trigger. I hear other guys talk about cadence (as in a rhythm that you are hearing/ moving to in your head), I know that I tend to shoot worse when I don't feel in time with this. When I am in time with this, I tend to shoot more smoothly (and faster) with better hits on target.
On that note, I feel as though what I had to say belongs more in the Zen of shooting, but if it helps you in any way, then I am glad I posted it here.
ICORE back at Silver Creek in SO IN
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UPDATE: Board approved ICORE to return at Silver Creek. I am meeting with the other MD Thursday to schedule the 1st match. Once we have our ROs familiar with ICORE I will post match date/times, fees and directions for all who are interested. There will be classifiers for anybody who wants to get classified.