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    6.5 Grendel

    in Precision Rifle

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    But here is fair your ar10 load at 2610 w/175 smk falls behind the Hornady factory 123 amax load out of my 20" AR15 at 2575 fps. Its also cheaper and easier to shoot than the AR10 platform. For punching paper and ringing steel the Grendel is going to equal or better moderate 308 loads (not 308's hot rodding 155's)

    It won't better the .308, but it won't be far behind. Even comparing the Hornady factory 123gr against my 178gr handloads, the Grendel is only slightly behind on windage. It does, go transonic about 100yds before mine but that's not that big a deal at 1000yd

    Jeez can you people not read I compared two specific loads(USMC load against a factory load which it does beat) and the Grendel load does exceed THAT 308 load I specifically mentioned the Grendel load doesn't beat every 308 load.

    Fact of the matter the 308 or Grendel both suck at 1000 yards but it is commonly thought that the 308 is a adequate cartridge to 800 + - yards I was just showing that at these ranges the Grendel and 308 are pretty much equal in elevation and wind drift.

    6.5 Grendel

    in Precision Rifle

    Posted

    But here is fair your ar10 load at 2610 w/175 smk falls behind the Hornady factory 123 amax load out of my 20" AR15 at 2575 fps. Its also cheaper and easier to shoot than the AR10 platform. For punching paper and ringing steel the Grendel is going to equal or better moderate 308 loads (not 308's hot rodding 155's)

    It is a nice round but,I looked at Hornady's ballistic program and nightforce's I can't really agree with you. the energy is not even close.

    Plenty of energy to rock steel and punch a hole in paper. (read carefully)

    B) Using that philosophy so does :rolleyes: Eley 22 long rifle, but it is not much fun.

    Wow! hard to argue with persuasive logic like that. ;)

    6.5 Grendel

    in Precision Rifle

    Posted

    But here is fair your ar10 load at 2610 w/175 smk falls behind the Hornady factory 123 amax load out of my 20" AR15 at 2575 fps. Its also cheaper and easier to shoot than the AR10 platform. For punching paper and ringing steel the Grendel is going to equal or better moderate 308 loads (not 308's hot rodding 155's)

    It is a nice round but,I looked at Hornady's ballistic program and nightforce's I can't really agree with you. the energy is not even close.

    Plenty of energy to rock steel and punch a hole in paper. (read carefully)

    6.5 Grendel

    in Precision Rifle

    Posted · Edited by BrianATL

    But here is fair your ar10 load at 2610 w/175 smk falls behind the Hornady factory 123 amax load out of my 20" AR15 at 2575 fps. Its also cheaper and easier to shoot than the AR10 platform. For punching paper and ringing steel the Grendel is going to equal or better moderate 308 loads (not 308's hot rodding 155's)

    6.5 Grendel

    in Precision Rifle

    Posted · Edited by BrianATL

    You are correct, I guess I was just thinking hornady products. Probably because they're factory ammo is a lot cheaper than the AA Scenar loads. I think I recently saw a 130gr factory match load somewhere too, don't remember the details though.

    I haven't got my rifle setup yet so I've got no load data to compare. On paper, the Lapua 123gr beats the Hornady 123gr but I'm not sure that it beats it enough to make up for the cost differential. Distance and wind are going to be more important than drop.

    .1 - .2 mils better to me isn't worth the 60% or so increase in cost. The factory Hornady Amax is a real gem, good accuracy, good velocity and a great value you can find them on sale which makes them cheaper than you could make yourself if using new brass.

    Junior shooter shooting open

    in Open Pistols

    Posted

    Hello: You can make a STI grip pretty small. If you can afford it I would get the STI. She will have a better trigger and can use it for a very long time. I would let her shoot one to see what she thinks. Weight is another thing to consider for a junior shooter also. A STI Tru Bor is a great starter gun and can be modified as she grows. Thanks, Eric

    This^^^^^^^

    Cheapest way to ship a glock grip in for stippling

    in General Gunsmithing

    Posted

    Use These UPS Services for Your Firearm Shipment Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921, will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services, specifically, UPS Next Day Air® Early A.M.®, UPS Next Day Air®, and UPS Next Day Air Saver®. (Note: UPS Express CriticalSM Service is not available for firearms).

    UPS accepts firearm parts for shipment, provided the part is not a "firearm" as defined under federal law; the contents of the package cannot be assembled to form a firearm; and the package otherwise complies with federal, state, and local law. (Note: Receivers or frames of a firearm are considered "firearms" and are accepted for transportation only if shipped in accordance with UPS's requirements for shipping firearms; firearm mufflers and silencers are not accepted for transportation.)

    Cheapest way to ship a glock grip in for stippling

    in General Gunsmithing

    Posted

    Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?

    A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

    [18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]

    Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

    A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

    I am pretty sure the ATF makes the rules on these issues not ZEV

    Cheapest way to ship a glock grip in for stippling

    in General Gunsmithing

    Posted

    I'm not worried about it. It's a grip with no trigger assembly. Nothing at all but a piece of plastic really.

    If it gets lost and UPS denies the claim then it's on ZEV. If they don't cover it, that would be pretty shitty customer relations since they told me how to ship it and they do this stuff for a living.

    Anyway I'm not concerned about it at all....

    Other than you just violated federal law?

    AR15 6.5 Grendel Load

    in Rifle/Shotgun

    Posted · Edited by BrianATL

    30.6 grains AA2520 123 AMAX makes 2575 in my 20" Which in my gun is exactly what Hornady factory ammo chronos. Even though the 123 scenars have a better published BC than the 123 Amax in my gun this doesn't prove out as my dope for both bullets is within .1 mil.

    AA 2520 looks like unobtanium right now I will use either CFE 223 or Leverevolution when I have to change powder.

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