Classic 1911

Now this is right-minded thinking. You extended magazine junkies just don't get it.

Wrong, IMO. The whole point is a Division that's true to the Single Stack 1911. That means flush fitting magazines with only the slam pad hanging out. If you want 10 rounds, it might be an option in 38 cal with minor scoring.

Single Stack Classic rules used by the Single Stack Society. - .40 cal is major if they load 8 - minor if they load 10. Personally, I'd prefer 8 for everyone and 175 PF to make major.

Warning: Thread drift. Ira, I like that. Personally, I shoot full power factory 230 grain loads at matches by choice. I think a 165 power factor floor for major is a joke. Firearms are supposed to recoil. Controlling recoil is part of marksmanship, just like lining up a front and back sight and maintaining a sight picture. Bunny fart I call them "powder puff" loads.

The 38 Super cartridge was developed about 20 years after the 1911. Visit http://www.1911society.org/ to understand my point. We don't want to use extended magazines and shouldn't have to to be competitive. And once again, it has nothing to do with stage design.

No one is duplicating IDPA. The purpose is to give true 1911s (single stack originals not double stack variations) a competitive venue in USPSA with USPSA stages and rules. If your matches are packed with single stack Colts, Springfields, Les Baers, Ed Browns, Wilson Combats, and other stock and custom 1911 A1s, you've got a great deal going on. Here the matches are packed with STIs and SVIs. They have their place in Limited and Open Class. What we want to do here is give traditional single stack 1911 A1 pistols a place in USPSA once again.

I simply cannot agree, gmshtr. 10 round magazines in a 1911 are like brown loafers with a tuxedo. The Single Stack Division simply must adopt wholesale the rules of the 1911 Society's Single Stack Classic. It is the 10 round magazine rule in Limited 10 that 1911 advocates abhor and that keeps them away from USPSA. Magazines must fit flush and must be single stack. Holsters must be practical with a capital P.

BBQ makes an excellent point. You have to look no farther than the 11th Annual Single Stack Classic, that has become the Springfield Single Stack Classic. Springfield has thrown it's full support behind this match. The winner of each class will receive a new Springfield GI model. If you're shooting a Springfield when you win then you'll receive one of their high end models. If you win overall, or just come in second to Rob L., I think you get a custom shop model. If USPSA wakes up and add a Single Stack 1911 Division, there's no reason no to expect to see other manufacturers to include maybe even Colt do the same.

I think it's really quite simple. USPSA needs to adopt a 1911 Single Stack Division. It's the right thing to do. It's USPSA's roots. It's IPSC's origins. No one will ever agree to adopting IDPA rules. Good. Adopt the rules of the Single Stack Society, which has IPSC rules as it's basis. It's a win - win situation. Hundreds of 1911 fans will come back to USPSA if they have a division they can compete in. Right now they're only competitive in Single Stack Classic Matches and IDPA. That does not mean that they are followers of IDPA's "tactical" mentality. No, Limited 10 is not an option. 10-round, non-flush fitting magazines in a SS 1911 are like brown loafers with a tuxedo. By the way, I've brought CDP, ESP, and SSP shooters, who got into IDPA because they have a concealed permit, to IPSC matches. THEY LOVE IT. THEY THINK THE STAGES ARE FUN. The deal is, though, they want to compete with their carry gun and we need to make room for them. Production fits for SSP guys, but we need a 1911 Single Stack Divison for the CDP and ESP guys. That's where the die hard SS 1911 fans are.

An excellent idea, EricW, welcoming new shooters to USPSA. The way to welcome IDPA and former IDPA shooters into USPSA is to have a viable division for them to shoot in, but there are two hurdles. Both concern equipment. IDPA's SSP already fits into PRODUCTION and production has psuedo practical holster rules. It's close, but not perfect. The grand IDPA categories of CDP and ESP need a competitive division in USPSA. That would be a division that would adopt wholesale the guidlines set forth for equipment (both guns and holsters) by the Single Stack Society. It is high time that USPSA returned to its roots and promoted, really promoted a Single Stack Classic Division. The turn out would be phenomenal!!! And oh by the way. Since each Division competes separately, let's abolish the "overall match winner" concept. It's fundamentally wrong.