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- Burris PEPR (decent, but not top quality as far as I have researched) - LaRue SPR (very popular, but unable to get it in Europe) - American Defense Manufcaturing Recon (not that much reviews, but the ones I could find were very positive) - Vortex Cantilever offset moun (watch out, they have two different models. One is build by ADM and looks exactly like the Recon mount, these should be equally as good.. but you might as well get the ADM version ; the other version I have read very mixed reviews on it and I would avoid it) I choose for the ADM Recon mount. Good luck.

Not too much response here.. but I had no luck finding a LaRue reseller in Europe. I tried some american friends but them seem to be afraid to post anything even remotely firearms related. I then found on on ebay, and it sed it would ship to belgium but then a few hours later the item was removed and reposted with shipping to US only. Since Jerry Miculek is using the Vortex Cantilever mount, I figure those can't be too bad. I have ordered that mount. Patrick, thanks for your reply, I wish you told me about that (your) shop earlier.

I have just ordered the Meopta ZD 1-4/22mm! Unfortunetely they could not help me with the correct mount for an AR-15. So please where can I find a decent offset mount? Which model? - Vortex Cantilever - Burris PEPR - LaRue SPR-E - ... ?

Double post! Sorry

Hi! Thanks for all your replies and advice. I have decided to go for the Meopta ZD 1-4x22. I figure I could always add a smaller holographic on a 45° mount in the future if I find it really necessary. I'm awaiting a few offers from local suppliers. Are there any super (web)stores in Europe/UK that I should definatly check out for the best offer for this Scope? Also, what mount should I get for my AR? I assume I will need one with a forward offset like the Burris PEPR, Larue SPR-E or Vortex Cantilever. The Larue seems to be the best quality mount but I have been unable to find them. So all suggestions for a good mount that I can purchase in Europe are very welcome! Thanks for all the help. Also, other webshops with rifle stuff are very welcome.

Hello, No, I have not made up my mind yet. I will admit that I'm biased towards an Eotech for there fast target acquisition. I will need a little more convincing that a 1-4x scope is the better choice for my useage (remember 95% <100 yards). Good news: I have contacted Meopta and found a belgian supplier and I'm waiting for there priceoffer for a ZD 1-4x22 with K5.56 Nato reticle. While researching I also came across a store in the Netherlands that offers a lot of scopes and mounts for reasonable prices. Not to advertise, but to show you what my choices are: http://www.optics-world.nl/winkel/index.php?cPath=6 . Bad news: More choice! Also, I definatly agree that it's better to invest a little more then to regret a cheaper investment later. So I'm not going to keep referring to a budget, as long as you guys are keeping it reasonable. Since I will already be shooting in Open division, I figure I can also consider getting two optics (scope and reddot/holographic). A few options with one optic - Eotech XPS3.0 + G33 Magnifier with STS (slap) mount : 1.180Euro - Meopta ZD 1-4x22 with K5.56 Nato reticle : +/- 820Euro (official price 970) + Mount (??) 120-250Euro - Trijicon AccuPoint 1-4x24 30mm (890Euro) + Mount (??) 120-250Euro Or go crazy with a double optic setup (start with the scope and add the reddot later) - Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24 with Vortex Cantilever Mount : 620Euro - Vortex Razor 3moa reddot with 45 mount: 650Euro - Combination : 1.270 Euro - Meopta ZD 1-4x22 with K5.56 Nato reticle : +/- 820Euro (official price 970) + Mount (??) 120-250Euro - Cheaper reddot with a 45mount : 350Euro - Combination: 1.300Euro What would be the absolute best scope I could get on that site for around 1.000Euro? Accupoint, Meopta, ..? And also please convince me some more towards the scope. I'm relieved I can always add a secondary reddot optic later if I find it necessary. Still I really like the Eotech optics.. even though it may not be the best for my useage. Thanks again and sorry to be such a pain.

Thanks for the replies so far, kurtm : you are correct, this will put me in open, I don't mind though. I still don't get the advantages of a scope over an Eotech? The Eotech offers the biggest Eye Box possible and the big circle with the smal make it easy to find your target quickly. I agree for longer range and accuracy a scope is definatly better.. but we are shooting A-zone targets, not a bulls-eye and usually below 100 yards. For those few longer range shots, I could add a cheaper 3x magnifier with a slap-mount? Update: I have found a cheaper alternative for a Eotech/Aimpoint magnifier and have found a dealer for a SightMark 3x magnifier with a STS mount for 200€. So an Eotech+Magnifier will add up to about the same cost as a Vortex PST with mount. Update2: I haven't heard about Meopta before but did found a dealer for a Meopta Meostar 1-4 x 22 R1 K-dot 30mm, which comes in at 800€, but this is without a mount! So that should add up to about 1.000€ complete with a mount. That is getting expensive for my useage. What would the advantages of this Meopta scope compared to a Vortex PST? And are they worth the 30% price increase? Conclusion Considering budget, I think I better limit my choices to - Vortex PST 1-4x scope with mount or possibly Burris MTac with mount and holographic fastfire - Eotech XPS2-0 with 3x magnifier and slap mount for longer distance shots. Thanks again guys

Hello! Long time lurker, new member! I know there are a lot of similar threads, but I'll try to explain why I found it was necessary to start another one. Introduction: I'm 28 years old and live in Belgium, Europe and have been shooting IPSC with an STI Edge for 6 years now and usually end up with a top10, sometimes top5 place in national competition matches. I have competed in a few international matches (EEO 2009, Med-Cup in France, SVI Open in Germany). Next to IPSC pistol, I would now like to start shooting IPSC rifle. After about 6 months waiting, I finally got my license for a .223 rifle and I've just bought an STI Competition rifle last week. Now I'm in the market for a decent optic for IPSC (dynamic shooting) and I figured the the 3-gun forum would be a good place to get some advice. Important notice: We have a very limited choice for firearms, parts, optics, mounts etc. Importing from the US is not that easy and can get expensive and be quite a hassle. So I'm very much limited to what I can find online in Europe. **update** I will be shooting in open! Shooting ranges: Most ranges in Belgium are 30 yard handgun ranges. For dynamic shooting (IPSC) with a rifle, the ranges are 55 yards and 110 yards. There are a few target-shooting (no dynamic) ranges that are up to 330 yards for occassional target shooting. For optics my choices are limited to: - Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24 30mm tube + Vortex cantilever QR mount : 750€ - Burris MTac 1-4x24 IR BCQ556 Combi with FastFire and PEPR mount : 800€ - EoTech XPS2-0 (including mount) : 520€ - AIMPOINT M4 (including mount) : 720€ - 3x magnifier with mount for Eotech/Aimponit: +- 550€ - NXS 1-4x24mm .250 MOA Compact (without mount!): +/- 1.400€ I would like to stick with one setup (not having to switch). For IPSC most stages will be <50 yards with some shots up to 100 yards (every month). Longer shots will only be on international matches only, so perhaps one match a year with shots up to 300 yards. Occasional long range target practice will be up to 330 yards, maybe twice a year. So 90% of my shots will be short distance and aiming for an A-zone (so not too accurate but very fast). Eotech/Aimpoint: These will be best for fast target acquisition, but lack some magnifing for target shooting at longer distances. I have looked through both and prefer the Eotech. The batterylife issue and being less rugged are not an issue for my useage so I've pretty much ruled out the Aimpoint but kept it on the list for now. A 3x magnifier seems like a good addition, but they are about the same price the viper scope or the eotech... how is this possible? Vortex: Seems like a popular choice and a very decent quality scope. More expensive then an Eotech and probably not that fast for fast close targets. Burris MTAC Combo: Seems like a great deal: a decent variable scope with good eye relief, a small holographic sight and the right type of mount for my rifle. Mounting the holographic sight on top of the scope seems a bit weird for me? I would prefer it to the side of the rifle (so you tilt the rifle instead). But again, getting the different mounts are expensive and hard to come by. NXS: Probably an amazing scope, but at 1.400€ without a mount (add 250€), this seems very expensive. So please, give you me your advice/experiences but please keep in mind that I have a limited choice, won't ever shoot past 300yards and 90% of my shots will be under 100 yards. Thank you so much!