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Ill try to remember to measure length tonight. In regards to width with the stock ambi safety on mine makes it too wide. Left side is extended and the right side is standard. I dont need the right side but according to the rules that could be seen as "disabling". Very stupid in my opinion.My witness match barely fits in the box. My understanding is the limited frames bevertail extends the gun to over the limit by more than a little. EAA lists the OAL as 9" IIRC. That said I have never had the chance to handle or measure one in person so I trust the people who have them more than EAA. You could shoot it in ESP right now though correct? Assuming you fixed the safety width issue.
It would appear as though the option for a single safety is there, correct? So if you make your gun have that option you are not disabling the safety
Yeah, I think it would be a stretch to claim removing the left side lever is "disabling a safety device."
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My witness match barely fits in the box. My understanding is the limited frames bevertail extends the gun to over the limit by more than a little. EAA lists the OAL as 9" IIRC. That said I have never had the chance to handle or measure one in person so I trust the people who have them more than EAA. You could shoot it in ESP right now though correct? Assuming you fixed the safety width issue.
EAA lists the length as 9". Tanfoglio lists the length as 225mm (8.858"). It actually measures 8.75". That is tip of the barrel to end of the beavertail. There's a lot of random talk on the web about these guns, and the vast majority of it is from people who don't actually have the pistol they're talking about. I've seen several posts from people who said the limited pro was too big for idpa - but based on EAA's specs.
EAA has never been very accurate with their specifications, so I am trying to give some actual, accurate measurements for everyone's use. EAA lists the weight as 41 oz, which is not correct.
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Here's some additional info:
Frame styles: (steel):
- standard frame: with or without a rail, rounded trigger guard, used on standard models, Witness Match and Stock 1.
- competition frame: large square trigger guard, extended beavertail, aggressive checkering on front strap and backstrap, built-in magwell.
Competiton frame has four dustcover variations:
- short dustcover (Limited Pro and the "not in the US" version of the Limited)
- standard length full dustcover (Stock 2, Gold Custom Eric)
- long slide full dustcover (Hunter, Bullseye, and US version of the Limited)
- long slide full dustcover with rail (Stock 3)
Barrels:
- Compact: 3.6"
- Standard: 4.5"
- Standard cone lock with polygonal rifling: 4.5"
- Longslide: 4.75"
- Longslide with polygonal rifling: 4.75"
- Longslide cone lock with polygonal rifling: 4.75"
- Hunter/Bullseye: 6"
- Gold Custom polygonal: 4.5" plus compensator
- Gold Custom polygonal ported: 4.5" plus compensator
Let me know if I'm missing anything or if I have any errors....
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Buy one of each and let us know which one you like better!
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small frame 9mm.....large frame is for .38 super and .40
Small frame pistols can be chambered for .22lr, 9mm (9x19 and 9x21) and 40S&W.
Large frame pistols come in .22lr, 9mm (9x19 and 9x21), 40 S&W, .38 Super, .45 acp, and 10mm.
I like the small frame tanfoglio pistols; they fit my hand better than the large frame.
Mags for the small frame are the same as the CZ75. The front sight usually isn't replaceable on the older small frame pistols. Most of the parts for the older small frames are still available.
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Agree! That stock sight is horrible. Ordered a 180tx100w from Dawson based off another recommendation. Was told to divot the slide as well. Think I will divot and loctite just to play it safe.
Yeah, you definitely want to drill a small divot for the set screw. I didn't - and I lost the front sight on the 28th round. Fortunately I found it. Now I drilled the slide and loctited the sight.
Btw - I've heard that Tanfoglio steel is really hard, but my slide drilled really easily.
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I would recommend getting a fiber optic front sight - either from Henning or Dawson Precision. I have the Dawson sight on my pro as well as on my P226. They're nice. I hear the Henning sight is nice, too. My brother has the eaa sight, which isn't bad, either.
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I'm guessing that you bought the pistol used, as it does not have the original trigger. Someone put the factory SAO trigger in there. Someone also removed the left side safety lever.
Actually, it looks exactly like my limited pro.
I'd try and confirm what the pistol has installed before I bought anything.
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The point I was trying to make is that if you want a pistol that has a decocker function, just go buy one that already has that feature. Or spend thousands of dollars trying to make a custom decocker setup on a gun that wasn't designed to have one. The path of least resistance and least cost usually wins.
Hmm... I don't think there are very many pistols on the market that were designed to have a decocker. The P220 and its progeny are all that I can think of right now. I'm sure there are others, but most were not originally designed to have a decocker.
More significantly - the CZ75 wasn't originally designed to have a decocker. But you can buy a CZ75 with a decocker. Tanfoglio's pistols are copies of the CZ75, so the idea of a witness with a decocker is hardly an insane idea. Even less so considering that the Jericho has a decocker and was apparently produced by tanfoglio at some point. And of course there is the TA90... Frankly, I'd be surprised if it took thousands of dollars to adapt the CZ decocker to the witness. I'm sure it won't just drop in, but the design is already done. It would just need to be adapted.
Now, if the design work wasnt already out there, sure - you could end up spending thousands of dollars. For example, I can't imagine what would be involved in creating a decocker for the 1911 (why anyone would want a decocker on an SA pistol is another matter).
One last point - I think it is a bit of a stretch to say that there is zero demand, orherwise Tanfoglio would make a decocker witness model. I don't think Tanfoglio is the type of company that always has its finger on the pulse of gun buyers. I love my Tanfoglios, but "responds to customer demand" is not the way I would describe the company.
If they responded to customer demand, I'd be shooting a brand new small frame limited pro.
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Yea, I don't have to worry about that heavy trigger pull anymore
That's quite a nice pistol. What's the deal with the slide and compensator? Did you cut down the slide and barrel and rethread? Or is that the slide from a stock?
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The Limited Pro I have looked at had the split and the hole for the disconnector, but the hooks were low just like the standard SA hammer.
If you really want to buy a different hammer, then I'd suggest the EGW hammer:
http://www.egwguns.com/eaa/p9-parts/eaa/p9-competition-hammer/
I can say with certainty that the SAO hammer on my brother's match has considerably shorter legs than the DA/SA hammer in my Limited Pro.
My Limited Pro also had a DA pull that was way off of my trigger pull gauge - it stacked so much at the end that I wouldn't have been surprised if it was 20 lbs. The Wolff 13 lbs mainspring greatly reduced the DA pull. It was just over 8 lbs with the Wolff spring and some simple polishing work. I would have seriously considered keeping the gun DA/SA if I thought I could shoot it in IDPA SSP, but since I doubt that's an option, I'm very happy with the SAO trigger.
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Maybe it's just another random Tanfoglio mystery that my SAO Hunter came with a standard DA/SA hammer in it (and a terrible 5# pull
)My Hunter also came with the standard DA hammer, and it took a lot of travel to break. My guess is they did it for liability reasons...
I doubt the different hammers have anything to do with liability concerns. It's possible, but I think Tanfoglio sometimes just uses whatever they have at hand. I wouldn't be surprised if they were short on SAO hammers the day they put those pistols together. Or maybe they were out of the blued SAO hammers. Who knows. I've seen all kinds of weird versions of Tanfoglio pistols. Sometimes they have ambo safeties, sometimes they don't, sometimes they have nice cases, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they have polygonal rifled barrels, sometimes they don't.
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Hi everyone,
I haven't gotten around to actually making an IDPA box, but I did carefully measure my Limited Pro this evening.
Here's what I found:
Overall length - 8.75"
Width - 1.79"
Height - 5.68"
The IDPA box interior dimensions are 8.75" x 6" x 1.65"
So we have two problems:
1) The length of the pistol is exactly the maximum permissible IDPA length. As such, it should be able to be squeezed into the box, but if the box is even slightly smaller than regulation, the pistol may not fit. If one were really concerned with this dimension, it would be possible to file a small amount of material off of the beavertail. It would not have to be very much material.
2) The extended ambidextrous safety on the Limited Pro will prevent the box from closing. Fortunately, in ESP you are allowed to replace the safety. Simply removing the left side from the original safety reduced the overall width of my pistol to 1.60", which is less than the maximum permitted width.
There are a few other options available for ESP shooters, which may be important for lefties.
Tanfoglio basically has three safety designs:
The first design is the "standard" safety, and is available in ambidextrous or right-hand only designs:
This is the narrowest safety design, and the standard "Witness" models come with the right-hand-only version of this safety. The ambidextrous version of this safety will easily fit into the IDPA box.
The second design is the "extended" safety:
Again, this safety is available in right hand only and ambidextrous designs. This safety may NOT fit into the IDPA box, but I don't have access to one so I can't say for certain. I do have the right-hand only version of this safety, and when mocked up with the left hand lever from my safety, the overall width is about 1.66" - just fractionally over the maximum width. A little bit of filing would make this setup work in ESP. Under my reading of the IDPA rules, you would not be able to modify this safety to make the pistol legal in SSP.
The third version is the "Gold Custom" or "Custom" safety.
This is the safety that my Limited Pro shipped with. Again, it is available in right-hand only and in an ambidextrous version. The right hand lever on this safety is an oversized "toggle" type safety. However, the left-hand safety is the "extended" safety shown under Option 2. As far as I know, the toggle safety is not available for left-handed use.
The right hand only version of this safety would fit in the IDPA box, and would likely result in a width slightly smaller than the 1.60" measured with the left-hand lever removed as on my pistol.
One final note - under the revised 2013 rulebook, the Limited Pro would make weight for the SSP division, as SSP maximum weight has been increased to 43 oz. However, I don't think the revised rules have been adopted yet, so as of now you would likely have no choice but to compete in ESP.
The most frustrating part of this is that the "custom" safety may very well keep the pistol out of the SSP division even once the new weight rules are adopted. Seeing as you start SSP hammer down with the safety off, there's no advantage to having the oversized safety.
That being said - the rules do permit the use of the oversized mag release from the Glock 34/35 on any Glock in SSP "because they are available as a factory option." So who knows - it may be possible to get approval to use the narrower safeties for SSP.
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From what I've seen other are only two Tanfoglio hammers: the standard hammer and the heart shaped race hammer with shorter hooks. I believe both have a hole for the DA disconnector; my SAO Hunter came with the same hammer as all my DA Tanfos, minus the disco.I may have to order an sao hammer as well. I've noticed the sao hammer has a shorter release.
Anyone have a hammer from a limited for sale? Or from a match?
I've read this same thing in several other places, but I am pretty sure this is not correct.
Here's a picture of a Tanfoglio single action "delta" hammer from a Tanfoglio distributor in Canada:
The difference is in the hooks on the hammer. They are not split into two like they are in the hammer in my Limited Pro. In other words, you can't install the DA disconnector thing with an SA hammer (same source, "double action delta hammer"):
The photos are from Freedom Ventures in Canada, btw.
And just for reference, here's the new "xtreme" hammer:
Apparently the xtreme hammer is the same for DA/SA and SAO guns.
I've only looked at two SAO Tanfoglios, a Match dated 2012 and a Limited Custom dated 2013, but both had a hammer like the SAO hammer pictured above. Neither had the cut or the hole for the DA disconnector.
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I'll have to try the CGW trigger spring (if I have trouble with my diy spring).
I may have to order an sao hammer as well. I've noticed the sao hammer has a shorter release.
Anyone have a hammer from a limited for sale? Or from a match?
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Ok, I got the factory sao trigger installed today (thanks to kneelingatlas for the trigger).
First and most significant - the trigger return spring in my gun did not work with the sao trigger. It was too wide and the leg that fits into the trigger was too long. I managed to install it after cutting the leg, but it actually bound up the trigger pretty tight. I ended up bending an extra beretta spring that I had in the parts cache. That really helped the trigger pull.
I have to say - henning's trigger might be worth the money just for the improved trigger return spring setup. The factory setup is a pain to install.
On the positive side, with a 13lbs wolff mainspring my trigger pull dropped from 4.75 lbs with the SA/DA trigger to 2.75 lbs.
However - the 2.75 lbs is with a lighter weight trigger return spring, the 13 lbs mainspring, and two coils cut off the plunger spring.
It remains to be seen if the 13 lbs mainspring will result in light strikes. I may end up ordering the extreme firing pin just to be safe, although I do have the 14 and 15 lbs wolff springs as well.
Anyone happen to know what the standard mainspring is in the limited pro?
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The space between the hammer and breech is longer on a large frame slide.
I have called EAA regarding small frame long slides and been told they do have some in stock, but I never ended up ordering one. I have seen a small frame long slide ordered from EAA which has the new, wide serrations, but I'll bet it would be a crap shoot.
Interesting, maybe I'll have to give EAA a call and see what they have.
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The small frame slide will fit on the large frame and will even lock on, but it sticks out in the back a slight amount. I doubt the gun would function, though. I certainly wouldn't want to try it.
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I know there were some people saying that the large frame and small frame are externally identical, but that's not true. There is a significant difference between the size of the frames.
The slides are not compatible between the small and large frames.
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Hi everyone,
A couple of questions:
1) Does eaa import and sell longslide conversions for the older (or newer) small frame pistols?
2) If they do sell the longslides for the small frame, are they the newer style slides with the widely spaced slide serrations?
3) Do they sell the Limited or Stock conversions for the small frame pistols?
I realize I could call EAA, but I'm guessing I have a better chance of getting accurate info here on the forum.
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You definitely want a Match.
It has to be the most accurate pistol in its price range.
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My long slide 10mm conversion was definitely traditional rifling:
I like the wonder finish with the blued frame, BTW.
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Yeah, the dovetail in the Novak cut is wider than the bomar or lpa dovetail.
But I think I read somewhere that the sight on the match uses a smaller dovetail than the Novak. Or maybe it was larger. I dunno - I don't have a match.
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I'm not 100 percent certain, but I believe the Tanfoglio Super Sight uses the LPA cut. I'm fairly certain my Limited Pro is the LPA cut.
The two cuts are really similar, and the dovetail is almost the same size.
The Novak cut is totally different from the bomar and lpa cut. The adjustable sight on the match uses the Novak cut - or at least something similar to the Novak cut.
Intercooler - the actual hunter slide uses the supersight, which isn't a Novak cut. Or were you referring to the Hunter/Match frankengun pictured above?
Of course, these are tanfoglio guns, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a hunter slide with the novak-cut sight on it.
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Elite Match for IDPA
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The current 9mm will not make weight. It weighs a bit over 44 oz and the weight limit for ESP is 43 oz.
Good luck losing the weight. There's not much to do short of milling the rail off of the pistol. There is not a lot of extra material on the frame - at least not in any location that would easily be removed.
Otherwise the match would be legal to shoot in ESP. It doesn't have the cone barrel.
CDP would be even more difficult to make weight. Current rules are 41 oz for CDP. The .45 will weigh a bit less than the 9mm, but not enough to make that difference. The 9mm barrel weighs a little over 4 oz, so the larger .45 bore isn't going to cut that much weight...