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11 hours ago, Matt1 said:
Actually, given that they are making their own frames & slides and given the regime change that has/is happening in IPSC is expect approval to in the works already.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkUnless part of the regime change in IPSC is to repeal the max 5” barrel rule that they have, the Bull Shadow will never qualify for IPSC Production. It’ll be like the Glock 34.
Given that USPSA already recognizes CZC guns for the Production list, and you only have to certify that 2000 have been made I think it’ll qualify quickly. If it releases at Shot I would say that it’ll qualify before Nationals in the fall.
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This looks awesome. I want one.
In the video it said the slide is a TS length. So is the barrel going to be the same length as a TS (5.23 inches)
I thought at the shot show last year CZC said it was going to be a 5 inch barrel. (Likely so it would qualify for IPSC production)
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19 hours ago, JAFO said:
I see.
App D7, 21.4 says:
Grip modifications such as, but not limited to, undercutting/smoothing the trigger guard, adding or removing finger grooves, or adding stippling, grip tape, or checkering are specifically allowed, without reference to Appendix E4. Grip tape or grip sleeves cannot disengage a grip safety.
You could infer from the above that adding a textured step for the offside thumb may be allowed, especially because of the "but not limited to" part of the rule. However, that inference really goes against the last line of the Special Conditions:
— UNLESS a modification is SPECIFICALLY authorized in the rules or SPECIFICALLY authorized in an official, published NROI interpretation, it is considered a PROHIBITED MODIFICATION.
Cutting a shelf is NOT specifically listed as an approved modification. Of course, modifying the slide other than to add texture or mount an optic should be prohibited, but I've seen several CO Glocks with that diagonal cut at the bottom of the slide nose.
What it comes down to is that, if the RM at a match asks you to show the rule that specifically ALLOWS cutting a shelf, you really can't. At least, not until they modify the CO rules again. If I were the OP, I'd do no more than texture or checker the area. But that advice is only worth what you paid for it.
Especially since others seem to be running what should be illegal CO mods without any penalty.
I believe you could make a strong arguement that the “accelerator cut” is specifically allowed by the rules.
The thumb shelf is nothing more than a finer groove and the rules specifically say adding finger grooves is approved. That coupled with proven evidence that other shooters (who have fancy jerseys) are using them on their guns at major matches without issue, should more than be enough evidence to convince an RM of it’s legality.
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Are you planning to run a magwell and are you really married to keeping the gun SAO.? I would think it would be better to true the 75B into a carry optics gun and then run it like that in steel matches.
If you must have the magwell and keep it SAO I would do something like Angus did Year’s ago and have the top of the slide milled out and have the barrel magnaported. Then just slap a red dot on the slide and call it done.
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2 hours ago, JAFO said:
If he's shooting the gun in the picture, it's in Limited, not CO, so that wouldn't be applicable.
The gun that’s referenced in the thread is below, and it’s definitly a CO gun and has the accelerator cut. I wasn’t referring to the stock photo from posting the link which the is of Vogel and his limited gun.
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1 hour ago, MJinPA said:
Thanks. I'm going to try it out and see how it holds up next season.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI have been really happy with mine. So much so I am working on trying to get a pair of cheap plastic grips for my accu-Shadow and doing the same thing.
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8 minutes ago, Tampa-XD45 said:
Where did you get the 60 grit SC?
I got mine off of Amazon back in August but I don’t think it’s available anymore.
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I agree that you wouldn’t be able to a stand alone slide for awhile. With the S2 so new, all the manufacture will be devoted to complete pistols. You could always contact CZUSA though and see what they say.
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There’s a guy who shoots for Agency Arms and he has the accelerator cut, so I would think your good to go. You can see his glock here:
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On 11/30/2017 at 3:53 PM, MJinPA said:
Thanks. Based on what Darqusoull13 said, it sounds pretty durable but I wonder how you can refresh it once it starts to get worn and dull. Do you think it's possible or would it involve scraping the old and applying a new coat of epoxy and grit?
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI did a 2-part epoxy and 60 grit SC on my G35. You can definitely wash out any dirt or skin that gets stuck in it. Just use a soft toothbrush and some water. If it’s stubborn build up add some dish soap. Just make sure your not scraping hard at it.
Applying SC with epoxy is just like applying paint to something the durability will all depend on your prep work. The better you degrease the better looking and more durable SC will be.
Once mine really starts to come off from use, I’ll just heat and scrape, and then reapply. I wouldn’t do touch ups, as it likely won’t look very good.
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On 12/10/2017 at 8:08 PM, mwx40x40 said:
I was thinking like only a 3/4 length sleeve , leaving the front of the barrel stock. This way all mods would be internal and not visible, thus not changing the profile or altering the slide in any way.
Is there an already someone’s who does this?
I would be curious to know as I don’t think you can sleeve a glock barrel. The issue you’d run into is the clearance between the inside of the slide and the exterior of the barrel.
If you look at a sleeved barrel most of the sleeve is towards the muzzle which would require the end of slide to be modified. Shooting in Limited it wouldn’t be an issue but as others have said it’s a no go for CO.
Regarding filling the grip plug void, I’ve considered filling it with Tungston Putty, it’s the stuff used on Pine Wood Derby cars and in the frames of a NASCAR. It has a density similar to lead and should give more weight than lead shot and epoxy. Plus tungston putty would not be a permanent modification.
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Reach out to Stuart at CZC, they are always getting new stock in and they are also a forum sponsor.
Outside of that CZC you can pm me and I have a few other leads.
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3 hours ago, rowdyb said:
1.assemble the pistol. with it unloaded drop a pencil or similar down the barrel. point the gun almost vertical. pull a da trigger pull.
does the pencil or item get shot out of the gun? try it sa and do the same.
2. is the fp spring holding the fp back with enough pressure to keep the stop plate in the slide?
3. post a picture of it assembled in the slide from the rear.
This is the best way to determine if it is an issue of not. Also when you say that it is flush, I am assuming that from a visual inspection correct. I would actually measure with a caliper how much it is potruding from the stop plate. On my accu-shake the FP does not protrude much, I will try to measure what mine is when I get off work and report back.
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7 hours ago, DesertTortoise said:
Installed the CZ custom extended rocker safety with the extra power spring listed above.
Trigger pull gauge shows a minimum of 1.5 lbs to engage / disengage the safety with a nice click.
This is about the same measurement as my tanfo limited which I've been using for 3 gun so I think it will be good to go.
Thanks for the advice
Looks good to me. To bad CZC never built an Accu-Shadow one year with it installed so then it would be Production legal.
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5 hours ago, JAFO said:
I make that comparison because when it started it was Production with an optic:
- Optic required
- Minor scoring
- 10-rd limit
- Production list guns
- Production modification rules
- Production equipment placement rules
Now, you have:
- Optic required
- Minor scoring
- 141.25 mm mags
- Production list guns, but...
- You can run extra weight in (or on) the gun up to a maximum weight limit
- You can modify the slide any way you want to as long as you don't make holes
- You can modify the frame for texture, smoothing, undercutting, etc, without regard to App E4
- Production equipment placement rules
Minor scoring may mean you run it differently than you would Limited Major, but the Division now shares much more in common with Limited than with Production.
I agree it shares several aspects between Limited, Open and Production.
When it comes down to it though I believe that really only two things differentiate between the divisions competitively and that’s the sighting system used and the scoring based on powerfactor.
I think OPENB may be onto something with the name Hybrid....but I’m all for going to non-descriptive names for the divisions too.
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4 hours ago, JAFO said:
It is well on its way to being Limited Optics.
Im not sure why everyone makes this comparison. At the end of the day CO still mandates minor scoring, so you have to ensure you shoot alphas. It’s not like open where you blast the targets as fast as you can because you have major scoring. In my opinion, the scoring difference makes Open and CO very different.
I think the names of the divisions cause more issues than there worth. Especially when it comes to Prod and Carry Optics.
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On 12/4/2017 at 9:11 AM, Joe4d said:
Looks like it is heading towards modified, but scored minor. What ever happened to modified ? Seemed like it came out with some cool guns. But then kinda died.
From what I’ve seen because of the rule structure for modified , ie fitting in the box, you had to have a custom gun to be competitive and those custom guns required more time/cost to build than a standard custom limited or open gun.
I believe because of this not many shooters choose to shoot it.
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I would go with the TSO in 40 personally if you want to stay in a high cap division. Otherwise I would go with the Shadow 2.
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The minutes have been posted and they are pretty vague on the subject. It also says that the board will discuss the issue more by email and revisit it in 2018. Sounds like if you want to provide input , then its time to put together emails to the directors.
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19 hours ago, Asianjedi said:
My question is whether milling the slide such as this provides any improvement for shooting or if its merely cosmetic?
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So has anyone tested how the plates hold zero when switching between the plates. I’m interested in potentially doing this for my Accu-Shadow, but that’s one concern. I also wish the plates were milled so that to account for where the dot sits on the plate so it looks from a distance like it he slide was specifically milled for that particular red dot.
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38 minutes ago, Ldogg said:
Curious as to where you picked those up. Thanks!This is the place that I’m aware of:
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That safety is not legal for Production. I inquired to CZC a few years ago about it. Your options for production are the extended safety that comes standard on a Shadow, the standard SP01 safety or the thin safety which comes from a Rami.
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16 hours ago, CleverNickname said:
I think your idea is a good starting point, but making Group A .40 caliber-only would piss off a lot of current Open shooters.
When I conceived this idea, I knew that for the major powefactor groups, A & B, allowing 9mm into Group B would piss off a lot of current limited shooters and keeping the .40 cal min for group A would piss off current open shooters.
In the end I reconciled it from the safety angle. 9MM major is pushing the cartridge to the limit and I am unaware of a single commercial entity that produces ammunition that qualifies for major and uses a 9mm bullet and 9mm case head size. Leaving Group A as .40 cal min allows for easier access to the division, plus under my system, if you want to shoot 9mm with a Optic Group C would be at your disposal.
In my opinion 9mm Major was born from gaining a capacity advantage. In my theoretical breakdown of new divisions I could be convinced to allow 9mm to make major but I would amend the divisional breakup to have defined capacity limits instead capacity based on magazine length.
Especially since others seem to be running what should be illegal CO mods without any penalty.
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Posted · Edited by Dutycalls75
Well I’m confused then. In the video you say at 1:14 that it’s a CZ long slide. Then you say specifically at 1:26 that it is a tac sport length slide.
Standard length CZ SP01 Shadow has a 4.7 inch barrel. Shadow 2 has a 4.89 in barrel. Both are not considered long slides.
The Tac Sport has an overall length of 8.86 inches and a barrel length of 5.23 inches.
From the pictures it does look like it might be a Tac Sport length slide or at least a slide that is longer than standard, Shadow but if that is the case then the barrel has to be longer than 4.8 inches.
Any clarification on this inconsistency would be appreciated.