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those are accurate points. the chickens, .22 and fishing gear is more useful. A stash of dimes, quarters and half dollars are a hedge and also useful for side trade and change afterwards and not to be stockpiled instead of the basics. A garden, orchard and independent water source is better than any metals for sure. A large stash of .22 is great also to store up which I do, as well as cheap fishing kits for trade etc. The definition of hoarding is getting lots of stuff after a disaster, while stockpiling is defined as getting it before while everyone has the same opportunity. Thats important due to the new police , (I mean patriot ) act passed as now they consider the us a battlefield and are within their 'rights' to enter anyones premise and seize anything they want of 'hoarded' goods which is anything ..beyond a handful to redistribute that wealth to the deserving (unprepared). They also now have the right to bivouac those same people/refugees on your propery for you to take care of indefinitely as you already probably know. Having copies of pre-dated receipts is in my plan if surprised, but hiding it is preferable.(still with receipts) , but that may be a moot point as once they have their testosterone going they wont care who is in the right. pre positioned goods and backup home is best so you are not ever stuck bugging out with anything in my opinion, a great reference is 'retreats& safe locations by joel skousen and also the same title by j. rawles. Im in seattle and although I have a 1.5 mil sound view home it is right in a target area and in the city to boot and dependent on city water, with no land etc so is a definite walk away if major crap happens. A cheap place (50k) on 5 acres paid for is more secure than this place as these homes are only a few payments away from a bank repo in those events. I have to keep my main place here as its also a business , but I have arranged it to run itself mostly with a manager while I prepare elsewhere, and check in and stay in the nice weather (summers).

I looked into the ammoload. already...78k too much for any need for my uses as I need to stick to smaller and easier. The advice about bugging out w/ all the press and parts being a hassle is accurate and the generator issues too., unless using deisel or (stabil in the gas) storage unit. which will be for vehicles only., (pre electronic w/ faraday cages to protect any electronics I do have) That is why I am having a prepositioned and equipped retreat, w/water & land, setup elsewhere ready to go that is off grid in the terms of redundant power such as solar, wind, water, battery and manual with A 650 by hand manual use and a 1050 w/ auto for the .223 caliber for quantities. In fact I will have 2 such places as I plan on my city home being useless and a walkaway. Owning inexpensive Real estate in strategic locations is a decent investment as well as the other stuff & equipment which are commodities and have value as an investment and/or resale value if nothing happens so its a no lose thing for me to speculate on, but if stuff happens its value is priceless.( Im not going to put money in the bank thats for sure.) BTW, silver coins are a good deal right now get them while they are down in price.

thanks for the link to that forum, it had a lot of info. yeah, I plan to buy a lot of powder and primers and the rest, as well as have off grid capability and buying an extra backup place in the country. I will be establishing backup post crash business sidelines, as my main home and business in the city may not weather thru it. A progressive reloader is an extra backup business option I want to have. the bullets will function as money, trade and be a service to other patriot types as well when its not available. (Its not even readily available now and we havent even had a crash yet.) Your links are amazing and I think must be the most advanced auto drive stuff Ive seen yet. The display screen was something ive never seen either and the link of the diferent parts of the press combined together to the display for shutoffs of the machine from any malfunction is great. the VFD site was informative, but I was lost once I got there as it was over my head as Im not familiar with any of it ,but Im sure it must be needed for the regulation of speed for the trimming mentioned. Is this something you can put together for sale?

Yeah, I got an email from brian enos saying the same thing, and that the warranty is void if using one. Ill be getting the 650 to start and go from there awhile and keep the 1050 in mind for later and still consider an auto drive after working with the 1050 for awhile first and am leaning toward the chaindrive if I do which there is a video on my best autodrive question posting. However, the autodrives are fascinating and I do like to do my research in advance and understand the whole picture overall. Especially after the whole gun control issue which caused all this scarcity and uncertainty there is really no time to waste and delay knowledge as its time consuming and mind boogling to learn all of this stuff from scratch. Knowing what I need to get and getting it while I still can for the future is a wise thing to do. otherwise if I wait its too late and its gone or double the price. the dems will still stop at nothing and if you snooze you could lose. too bad but thats the way it is now.

If you haven't seen these, here is the chaindrive; click here: and here is the ponsness warren with a kiss bulletfeeder :

sounds like the mr. bullet is OK. One last concern is on their site they said they were working on getting a setup for the .223/556 caliber within the year and the update I saw had some complicated info/instructions for trying to set that up.'\ Has anyone had experience with this and can review it, does it work ok? Im primarily interested in .308/762 and .223/556 , 762/39 for quantity and not so much quantity for the pistol loads of 9mm and 45.

Thanks everbody! Here is a copy of the review about the kiss/mr. bullet I had found online that has me concerned. I dont know anything as I havent bought one yet so want to see about these complaints. here it is: I have both KISS and Mr. Bulletfeeder systems, and recently helped a friend set up a new Mr. Bulletfeeder. I have previously owned a m-a systems feeder. KISS and Mr. Bulletfeeder are two lines from the same original company, but they apparently had a falling out. The new Mr. Bulletfeeder is not nearly as good as the old one. I would recommend it only with hesitation. The M-A Tech feeder is hopelessly obsoleted by the KISS and MrBulletFeeder systems, at twice the price and much more finicky to set up. The KISS bullet feeder works very well - highly recommend. The downside is delivery times may be longer than the others as he's a one-man shop. This system works extremely well and the cost is half of what bullet feeders used to be. I have some limited experience with the Hornady bullet feeder die, which appears to work pretty well (still prefer the KISS), but no experience with their collator. The other collators work well with jacketed and moly-coated lead bullets. They work for a while with wax-lubed lead, but eventually gum up. KISS says lead may work if you powder it with mica dust, but I have not yet tried it. What I hate about M-A systems: very touchy setup, hard to dial in, requires an air compressor hook up, requires spare placer fingers. (the current) Mr. Bulletfeeder: the new mounting scheme is terrible, capacity is poor, orientation adjustment is not as robust as it used to be, the dropper is not spring loaded and is prone to dropping all bullets if it hangs on the powder measure or is otherwise held in the 'up' position. KISS: It's perfect. I hate nothing about it. It delivers bullets in the correct orientation 100% of the time with no fussy setup. The dropper is very reliable and the damn thing just works. The original had a fuse that blew periodically when it was overloaded, but that seems to have been remedied and is no longer a concern. Bottom of Form

There are 2 auto drives I have been studying for the dillon 650 and the 1050. The first is the ponsness warren which is a linkage arm to a 900 or a 950 rpm motor depending on caliber, and it has a mounting bracket and is set up with a foot pedal as well to autodrive the press which can also be reverted back to the handle. runs about 950.00 or so. The other is a new addition since about a year ago from what I gather and its from Forcht machine. Both were impressive on youtube, but the forcht site says that with the chaindrive its quieter, smoother, less moving parts and does not have the issues that the other does such as the linkage arm breaking which shuts it down for an hour repairing things. It also has adjustment capabilities it says the ponsness is not capable of. That cost is about 800 for the unit if you have the ponsness stuff and 1200 if you dont and they make the brackets etc. so the costs are not really that far apart. he says he can tie in the primer, powder, etc alarm to the control switch box etc so it shuts off on the spot. Im leaning toward the chain drive and would like to know if anyone has these and what they think of them.

Im a new bullet feed buyer and am researching the best bullet feeder and would like to hear from those who have bought and used a bulletmaster (formerly kiss before being partnered w/ double aplha, who redesigned the thing). A blog about reviews bulletfeeders was dated and only 3 posts on it but had someone saying that the original one man operation, kiss guy had the best design that never failed, but when it went w/ the redo, the new placement location sucked and there are other issues now with things that is now mr. bullet and would reccommend the kiss over mr. bullet. ( Except for now its not being made that way.) Anyone else experiencing these issues or have something good to say about it? There is also another major player out there, the GSI international which is expensive and the conversion to other calibers is about 50 to 70% of the entire initial buy for the unit itself. There are no reviews I have seen on this unit....the one thing I noticed is that it is set up specifically for dillon and integrates right into it custom made. Im thinking that must be a good thing and would help in its functionality. The drawback it seems is that its labor intensive and not for quick caliber changes and specific for calibers requiring awhile to change over from the video I watched on their site. Not an issue with a 650 but for a 1050 it might be unless mainly doing one caliber Im thinking, which would be OK for 223/556 which I might do for thqt press and see about something else for the 650. Hard to find reviews about this stuff.

thanks tyro shooter! Thats the info Ive specifically been looking for, forever it seems like. Now I will definitely get both the 650 and the 1050b . The finish looks so smooth that it seemed like the 650 was made out of molded plastic when viewing photos and video. Now Im on to scoping out the other things needed.

Im aware that dillon is good and want to buy a xl650 and a 1050b. Especially after watching the youtube with the ponsness motor on the 1050 automating it. Then I discovered the chaindrive by forcht.com that is a direct motor which doesnt break the linkage arm supposedly which is on the ponsness. ( the presses can be switched back to manual too.) The youtube vid showed that the chaindrive was quiet, simple and its adjustable so Im set on a 650 or a 1050 which it will work on and will probably get both....but I still havent had anyone actually tell me what the blue body is made from on the 650 and what the body is made of for sure on the 1050. If someone has one let me know.

Im looking to buy a progressive reloader. the rcbs sites boast that they have cast iron bases and hornady boasts about aluminum alloy material. Dillon says zilch. their site has a one hour wait time to ask questions and email takes a week to 10 days for a response it says. they dont have a store locater on their site and the one dealer store that I did find here had a 650, but wouldnt take it out of the box and have no idea what its made out of. Sounds fishy to me which is why I leaned towards the rcbs and hornady until I read someplace that the 650 might be aluminum with a blue powdercoat and I thought Id better check some more. Then I saw the 1050b which is made out of metal ( I think) as youtube is as close as I can get to seeing any reloader with the way the current situation is out there. Can someone tell me what these reloaders are made out of? Im trying to stay away from soft plastics, cheap pot metal and that kind of stuff. (I already read about good customer service and all that stuff.) money is not the issue but quality of construction is to me.