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I received a partial bucket of MP-5'd cases from an LEO trainer buddy. Although they were once-fired, I got "scurred" of the lines & palpable ridges left by the chamber so I gave them away to a friend who shoots 9major out of his STI. He reported NO problems at all with these cases & all were loaded to major. I'd use such cases in the future without hesitation.
The MP-5s are a closed bolt weapon, with a fluted chamber to help equalize the pressure in the chamber to help with extraction in combat conditions.
Unless the loaded rounds were near max loads to begin with, tumble the brass and load it. We had some chinese ball ammo that gave me fits....I sorted through my batch and threw away everyone as they were max loads and not worth dicking with. Check it once you resize, and throw a couple in a case gauge to make sure the case rims arent too buggered up (which is what you would do with any other brass.....).
I have been shooting "MP-5" brass and reloading it since 97 (armorer class) and find it no different than any other 9mm brass that you have to check over.
Make sure you buy a couple spare extractors and extractor springs, and the roller bearing repair kit for the bolt, and you should be set for years of fun!
Enjoy!
DougC
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The Leupold 1-4 is just as good if not better.
Apples to oranges. That Leupold has a HORRIBLE price on it. It costs at least $300 & you could buy TWO Weavers for that price! Plus, the Meopta is a better scope than the Leupold (if money is no object, that is).
Midway often has the Weaver on sale for $129. The Armalite 1 pc mount is a good mounting solution.
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Thanks Jim! Useful content - as usual. Here is a link to the Area 8 clubs section of the A8 web page, as mentioned in Jim's post:
http://www.uspsa8.org/clubs.htm
Just for the record.Local clubs and local is a very general term having different meanings to different people.
Old Bridge
Shongum
Guthsville
Topton
Southern Chester
USANA
York
Factoryville
There are also clubs in central PA and northern MD.
I will reserve comment on the CJ club management.
Jim
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Now if this were a 22lr with 30 rounds, I'd be all over it. that would be a blast. I too have never understood why there are no 22lr pistol with more than 10 rounds.
Same here.
But in 22 mag? No thanks, I don't need an expensive non-re loadable rimfire.
Just think: w/ 30 round mags for your favorite .22 LR steel challenge guns, you could practice SIX runs without reloading (as long as you don't miss). Uninterupted focus on hits. And legal (for now). But the only 30 round mag for any 22 pistol is that weird new 10/22 pistol Ruger makes (not suitable for steel).
As is, you have to stop to reload every other run with these 10 rounders.
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Hi
New to the forum as a poster and looking for a more detailed ruling of the handgun requirements for Heavy Metal 3 gun.
I understand the mag capacity limitations and .45 caliber requirement but the rule stating "of a factory configuration" leaves me wondering what I can have on the pistol.
Here's the configuration I have been using in single stack, can somebody help with a ruling on whether it meets the 3 gun HM class rules?
1911
extended slide release
ambi safety
Flared mag well (permanently welded to the frame
extended beaver tail safety
It did not come from the factory like this but is very similar to the factory guns available from other manufacturers.
Pretty sure that .40 is allowed for HeMan/Heavy Metal. & for 1911s, 'factory configuration" = whatever you want it to be. No way the rule could ba any other way. Not with 1911s.
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Watch out for the MG 200 FPs - they have to be loaded short or they will hit the rifling in the 97b. Many folks feel the stock recoil spring is a little too light.
Also, the wood grips - do not get them too wet while shooting in the rain. The insides are not coated/shelaked so the wood will absorb enough H2O to swell up & trap the mag in the gun.
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I think the rule means what you think it means.....
I also think that the language is a little vague.....
....leaving the door open to an arb.....
. . . which the shooter is likely to win since the language of the rule is vague. I agree with Nik here.
IMHO, a better approach is: issue a warning the first time a shooter uses their weak hand to hold open the flap/strap on their holster & sweeps their hand. Why? Because, the only shooters I have ever seen use such holsters are 1st timers to our sport. Many of them are LEO or Military, and some were actually trained & expected to do it that way.
The situation could be turned into a learning experience, or it could be the last USPSA event they ever attend. Further, if you DQ the first time, you are potentially telling an experienced LEO or .mil soldier: "our fun sport knows more about gun handling than your academy/boot camp." Think how that will go over with them. 2nd occurance is always a DQ.
Just for the record: I take this safety rule seriously. For example, I refuse to design stages with seated, holstered starts because I am so against sweeping the leg/foot with a loaded gun - even if it is not a DQ. My seated start stages always begin with the gun on a table or in a box (or once placed on the floor between the shooter's feet).
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On one hand, the old 30 shot 22 magnum Grendel FAILED, as far as marketing goes, back when it was made. Obviously, Kel Tec are idiots and their gun will fail too, right?
OTOH, many folks have realized that FN's 5.7 pistol (which is a huge sales success - and controversial) really only matches the balistics of the 22 Magnum from a handgun AND the exotic 5.7 requires the use of expensive centerfire ammo, though it does use a 20 round magazine. I guess people buy it for the mystique or maybe due to some movie or video game.
Kel Tec's gun would appear to match the 5.7s performance with less expensive 22 magnum ammo. AND, just like the 5.7. it appears to use a slide made out of plastic, along with the plastic frame. Might not be such a bad idea this time around. Further, it is beyond my why almost all the makers of .22 handguns feel the NEED to limit mag capacity to only 10 rounds. WTH? 30 rounds of 22 would be fine by me.
Personaly, I have no use for either a 5.7 or a Kel Tec since my shooting interest is in USPSA & IDPA mostly.
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What Rob Boudrie said, plus . . .
Aside from any classes NRA might offer on range construction, they also offer consultations where a Range Technical Team inspects/consults on range design and construction. For the true poo, you can reach the NRA HQ operator at (703) 267-1000 and ask to speak to someone in Range Services.
Be warned that the advice given by the NRA consultants is NOT compatible with uspsa or idpa safety rules . If you implement the NRA suggestions, it will be the end of uspsa , steel or idpa at your range.
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Hi Noah! Greeting from ole' Area 8!! Congratss on landing the "Ms." - just remember those wise words from ole Sterling: " You don't really got 'em cornered 'til you get them to move in w/ ya!".
His & Hers G34s, nearly identical.His:
3-pin frame
Heinie classic rear
Ameriglo .090" black front
Hers:
2-pin frame
Warren/Sevigny competition rear
Dawson .105"x.225" fiber optic front
Both:
Vanek "Classic Grandmaster" trigger kit
T.H.E. G17-length non-captured tungsten guide rod (27.625oz with empty mags!)
ISMI 11lb recoil spring
TruGrip
Jentra plug
non-extended slide stop
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Nice machine work there! Impressive. 3 thoughts:
1) The standard AR-15 rear sight suffers from a slight "cant" or rotation; NRA Service Rifle guns (particularly White Oak Precision) address this issue with vertical guide pins to eliminate this movement. I cannot tell if your mount corrects for this movement (appears your mount functions similar to an A2 rear sight).
2) With 2 sets of protective "ears" (the mount and the sight housing), the sight picture seems a little "busy" to me -particularly if one had to resort to the iron back up sights. Would it be possible to eliminate the gap between the mount and the sides of the sight?
3) LaRue built his reputation by making his sight bases repeatable and QD. Adding that feature would be a big selling point to some folks.
Again, nice work.
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I expected this to be a pretty boring thread, but clicked anyway. There are some nice looking guns here.
My production gun is not so exciting. Factory black M&P with holster wear. Its never rated having a picture taken of it apart from the day I got it.
Mine too, sans holster wear (I don't dry-fire or shoot much anymore). I think the one in my avatar might be an airsoft copy. Not much to see really, its just a regular M&P 9mm (which, I believe, helps show newer folks that they do not need anything fancy to compete in USPSA or IDPA).
Guns pictured are actually quite nice. Keep them coming.
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Used to shoot bowling pins up at the 12th Precinct club near Annapolis. The "old timers" on that club's BOD were so stuck in thier ways & anti handgun that they INSISTED that each shooter had to start with the gun POINTED at the first pin (Even low ready seemed too unsafe for them). Completely lame.
To top it off, they then decided, all on their own, that even this format was unsafe. So they made up their own "test" consisting of building a "frame" around a pin table & covering it with trash bag plastic, then shooting a few pins to see if ANYTHING made a hole in the plastic.
Then they shut down the match because, according to their "test" bullets must be leaving the property (they had more than 12 acres & never had a complaint.
I am SO done with those sorts of attitudes. Sorry to hear there are still such folks populating the BODs of our local shooting clubs.
If they are banning running with a gun in your hand, how about skipping?Will they let you skip from array to array with a gun in your hand?
Hmmn.... I guess Moon Walking would be out too. Shucks!
Can you reholster the hot gun, then run, get to the next array and then draw your pistola?
Technically, the gun is not in your hand while you're running?
Did you ever bring up Steel Challenge to them since they are so adamant against running? Stand here and shoot 5 times. No running involved. Or are they also too cheap to blow the money on steel?
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before the range burned down, we held an ICORE that was 5-round/BUG gun neutral & I shot my 340PD from a pocket holster (with 38s).
I learned my pocket holster is damn slow on the draw. And snubbies are hard to shoot as accuratly or as fast as my race revolvers.
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I think the next big thing will be polimer uppers and lowers.
Steel rails, some type of steel breach or slide face and standard barrels.
Could be, crazy as it sounds.
The FN 5.7 uses a plastic slide w/ some metal in it (please - keep in mind the forum guidelines when commenting on the 5.7). Scale it up to a 9mm & make it locked breach - might work (or not).
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Brassrat!
(takes one to know one
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While the DQ is crystal clear, we need to understand why it still bothers some folks: the gun was unloaded & had just been verified as so. Thus, what happened could be seen as no more "dangerous" than a dropped gun outside the COF. One is a DQ while the other is not a DQ.
Nevertheless, the lines for our rules have to be draw someplace, and I think they are well-placed right where they are in this area. Besides, the incident did invlove "gun handling" - which we require to be done safely.
The most often "dropped gun" scenario I have seen outside the COF involved race holsters that were improperly locked & there were no hands near the gun when it fell.
Good Q. OP. Regards, C.
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How long before it becomes commonplace to see Glocks and other polymer pistols showing up in winners circles?
Soon, I hope. A variety of competing manufacturers results in a win-win situation for shooters & USPSA as well as the manufacturers.
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Nemo, in my opinion, tri-topping a SS makes a significant difference, so I wouldn't allow that if it were up to me. Flat top, ok, not so much removed there. I was just asking about slide serrations to start all this, and it could turn into a full blown mud fest.
No argument with your reasoning. If anything, I agree most with Flex's comment about this being a huge can of worms.
Problem with opposing the tri-top under S.S. rules would be that all the STI Commemorative USPSA single stack guns need to go away from USPSA competitions & USPSA would, honorably, have to refund that $14,000 which Dave Skinner donated to USPSA resulting from the sales of these guns. Seems that Pandora's box has been opened here.
"The STI Commemorative USPSA single stack has a tri top... "
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Has anyone heard from Doug Johnson??????????
Trapr
Hey Trapr,
I'm doing fine - thanks for your concern. I've received more than a dozen inquires about my well-being since this all started - proof that our shooting community truly cares and takes care of it's own. Yesterday was a very dark day for Fort Hood and our Army as a whole. Please keep our dead, our injured, and their families in your prayers.
Thank God for the young female Federal Police Officer who ended the shooting by charging into the SRP facility, facing evil head on, and stopping the threat. She was wounded but is in good condition - the shooter definitely got the worst of their exchange.
Doug Johnson
Doug: glad to hear you are OK. Agree 100% re: the civilian police officer who put an end to this atrocity. I hope she makes a rapid recovery. By all accounts, she is a true American hero. We could use more folks like her during these troubled times.
Signed: the other Doug Johnson
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I was told to keep the shellplate as tight as you can get away with as a means of seating as deep as possible.
Have not tried the "roller-bearing" upgrade to the dillon shell-plate; I wonder if that would help or hurt? I tend to crush the heck out of Federals intended for the 625; I have not set one off yet (though maybe I should wear eye and ear protection while loading??!?
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We see this every so often at local matches. We let the shooter start with an empty chamber and rack the first one in. No PE's.
I understand this is technically afoul of the rule book, but these are invariably new shooters/new CCW permit holders, and I'm not going to either:
A-- push them to carry a hot weapon when they're not comfortable with it
B-- penalize them repeatedly and turn it into a negative experience.
I think being hard nosed on this issue will result in either A or B above. Screw the rules in favor of being kind to new shooters. Nothing wrong with carrying empty chamber. I did it for several months when I first got my CCW.
Koski
Good answer. I agree. Let's look at some facts:
1) Fact is, some folks (Israelis, certain CCW holders) practice this.
2) Fact is, there is NOTHING unsafe about allowing a competitor to start with an unloaded gun. and
3) Fact is, I cannot imagine any competitive advantage to letting a shooter do this they think they need to at a local match.
Why diminish the sport & run off a potential fee-paying shooter just because most of us (me included) always start with one in the chamber?
Because the rules we play by in the sport of IDPA require that we start with a round in the chamber and the magazine loaded to division capacity.
Now where did I put that beating a dead horse icon?
If I understand Koski here, he was talking about a CLUB match. If I understand your response, you are saying that, at a local club match, you would tell a new shooter wanting to use this technique: "I don't care if it is safe to shoot that way. Rules are rules. Do it MY way or pack your stuff & go home."
I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't think that is any way to treat a potential new competitor at a club match who wants to safely participate in IDPA, nor is it a way to grow the sport.
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Fairly sure S&W discontinued theirs. Only the German guns remain. Thought James Bond had made the switch? (that surely helped sales).
Don't see them very often 'round here (D.C. area) though they are out there.
I shoot an M&P, a 75 or an old Glock these days.
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We see this every so often at local matches. We let the shooter start with an empty chamber and rack the first one in. No PE's.
I understand this is technically afoul of the rule book, but these are invariably new shooters/new CCW permit holders, and I'm not going to either:
A-- push them to carry a hot weapon when they're not comfortable with it
B-- penalize them repeatedly and turn it into a negative experience.
I think being hard nosed on this issue will result in either A or B above. Screw the rules in favor of being kind to new shooters. Nothing wrong with carrying empty chamber. I did it for several months when I first got my CCW.
Koski
Good answer. I agree. Let's look at some facts:
1) Fact is, some folks (Israelis, certain CCW holders) practice this.
2) Fact is, there is NOTHING unsafe about allowing a competitor to start with an unloaded gun. and
3) Fact is, I cannot imagine any competitive advantage to letting a shooter do this they think they need to at a local match.
Why diminish the sport & run off a potential fee-paying shooter just because most of us (me included) always start with one in the chamber?
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"black oxide" usually denotes manganeze-oxide based parkerizing. If that is what you are referring to, it will NOT have any effect whatsoever on stainless steel.