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After the target has been scored, paste them up, if you want to see your hits, follow the R.O. or ask the squad not to past a target with a Mike on it until you have a chance to look at it.
No rule says the shooter has to see their target before it has been pasted.
Most shooters won't paste a target with a penalty before getting a shooter's attention out of courtesy, not because it's a rule violation.
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In my experience the RO will generally announce that they will be scoring in this manner and let shooters know that they need to appoint a proxy to check their targets during the scoring process and before they're pasted. That being said, I NEVER paste a target with a penalty without getting the shooters attention first.
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Since it's "based ALMOST exactly on USPSA..." rules I'd say they can do whatever they want. Why don't they just USE the USPSA rulebook and affiliate?
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No.
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When I first began shooting USPSA my home club at the time (which was very active) didn't have much more than the bare minimum, usually in the form of a classifier match in the spring. When I relocated I was surprised to find that most of the clubs in my new area had a classifier at every match.
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this seems silly to me to have to delineate this and seemingly every little thing.
^^^This.
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Absolutely.
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How is anyone or thing "suffering" in any way shape or form? Don't like PCC, just pretend we aren't there having fun. It's like an IDPA & USPSA match going on at the same time, the IDPA guys are all saying, "someone is having fun & I don't like it."
Did you read my post?
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No SS, revolver, production, etc. shooters that I know of do all this crying over the fact that open shooters wipe the floor with them at every match in the overalls, so I can only assume that all the crying is coming from open shooters because the might not be on the top of basically every match from now on.
Not sure where you're shooting but Open isn't necessarily king and DEFINITELY isn't "wiping the floor with" Lim, Prod, or SS shooters in our area. It certainly isn't only Open shooters that are against PCC either.
I find it interesting that there isn't more pushback against the eased safety rules that the red-headed stepdivision gets. Also, many of my friends and I are concerned that a shooter that wants to place higher will abandon the work it takes to improve at the more difficult pistol discipline and go straight to the PCC, no reload, easy accuracy solution.
If they go to PCC to get a better understanding of the game then pick up the pistol and put in the work then competition benefits. If they pick up the PCC and decide it's so much easier than putting in practice and improving then pistol competition may suffer.
Time will tell I guess.
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Has this actually happened? I have never seen a safe area delineated by fault lines, one is either in front of the safe table or not.
From 2.4: "At level II or higher matches, Safety Areas must include a table with the safe direction and boundaries clearly shown."
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Has this actually happened?
Yes, it has. The DQ anyway, the other particulars I can't speak about because I don't know exactly.
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Apparently PCCs are inherently safer than pistols too as they can un-bag at a berm, carry around their firearm, and not get a dq.
A pistol shooter has one foot touching outside of the safe area that they walked 200yds to get to while bagging/unbagging their pistol and they're subject to DQ.
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I believe the intent may be to go the way of Steel Challenge and introduce enough divisions and disciplines to allow nearly every participant to tell their friends that don't know better that they "won their division". Even if that means shooting a rifle in a pistol game.
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I only use the AZS app. It still works.
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5' high at shoulders according to setup notes.
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It depends on the pistol I run them in, specifically the slide weight. In heavier slide 1911/2011 I like the 180's. In lighter (and therefore faster cycling) slide weights I like 200's.
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Take material off as you described to prevent an empty magazine from engaging the slide stop then dimple as described above.
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Anyone have the same experience? Anyone given this any thought, with a conclusion more insightful than "they are too intimidated"?
It often is as simple as "they are too intimidated".
One of the best places for new shooters in my area to start is a weekly local indoor match. The good thing about it is that we are very welcoming and accommodating. We can take time to walk them through a stage before they shoot, give an extensive briefing, etc. The bad thing is that many of the regular shooters there are true A to GM level shooters. A newbie sees them run a stage and thinks they are in the wrong place when they're actually in the best environment possible for rapid improvement. Kinda like a fat kid in a gym.
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Want to genuinely get under my skin at a match? Be in charge of a match and utter the words," Jesus dude, it's just a local match". [emoji4]
^^^Agreed
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What happens if a club hosts a USPSA match, but one of its stages does not meet certain USPSA rules/requirements? Would there be any ramification to the club? This particular club I shot has the history of scoring Virginia Count on a long course (sort of moving from box-to-box stuff) or mandating illegal strong/weak hand switch on WSB.
I'll assume for this discussion that you're a new shooter and haven't been to a lot of clubs.
In my experience this very thing happens more often than some folks here would lead you to believe. It's unfortunate that not everyone takes the time and effort to research their stage design and verify compliance, but the fact is that if you get out and shoot a lot of L1 matches at a lot of clubs you'll see deviations from the rules occur with some regularity and with no repercussions from HQ.
Is this always legal? No. However, if it doesn't meet with resistance or sanction and reoccurs then I guess the answer to the legality doesn't really matter?
In a case where one single stage in an entire L1 match was illegal I'd say there's almost zero chance of repercussion (speculation). If it's a rogue club that consistently and brazenly circumvents the rules then I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see some sort of action taken.
I apologize for my original response derailing and your thread. Here are two more quick citations instead of an empty "read the rules" admonishment.
1.1.5.1 Level I matches may use shooting boxes, specify where or when specific target arrays may be engaged and specify mandatory reloads in short and medium courses only. Long courses are exclusively governed by 1.1.5.
2.1.8.5 Appearing scoring targets must be designed and constructed to be obscured to the competitor (during the course of fire) prior to activation.
2.1.8.5.1Level One matches are encouraged but not required to comply with this requirement. The Written Stage Briefing (WSB) may prohibit competitors from engaging certain targets which may be visible prior to activation until the operation of the activating mechanism has been initiated (see Rule 9.9.4)
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You keep trying to justify your original false statement. There are a FEW explicit exceptions for L1 matches. Go read the rule book and quit putting false information on the "book of ignorance", otherwise known as the internet.
Are there clubs that in ignorance build "illegal" stages ?....probably. I would guess most just don't know any better. I'm sure some just defy the rules because that's their mentality. It takes all kinds of asshats to screw things up on purpose.
My suggestion is that all clubs send some members to RO class so that more than one person can verify rules adherence.
So we agree, basically a club can do what they want at a level one match and nothing will likely come of it unless it happens often enough and is irritating enough to the customer that attendance drops or someone in a position of some power makes a stand and forces compliance.
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I WISH every club would follow the rules for stage design. The fact is that MANY clubs use volunteers to set up stages and let a lot of things fly because of it. So, while the rules may state that the stage is illegal, unless someone is crying to mommy (headquarters) that the volunteers are circumventing the rules, the club will suffer no sanction and (gasp) will have done what they wanted.
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...and it wasn't vitriol, it was truth. It's all in the rule book.
Citations?
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That is totally false. There are only a few level one exemptions for sanctioned USPSA matches.
If there are "a few level one exemptions" then it's not "TOTALLY false". Maybe a citation to accompany your vitriol?
1.3.1 Match organizers wishing to receive Level II or Level III USPSA sanction must comply with the general principles of course design and course construction as well as all other current USPSA rules and regulations relevant to the discipline. Courses of fire that do not comply with these requirements will not be sanctioned, and must not be publicized or announced as USPSA sanctioned matches.
6 USPSA Handgun Rules, February 2014 Edition
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Scoring Confusion
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Points shot (score on targets minus penalties) and stage points (competitors hit factor percentage of the hhf multiplied by total possible points for the stage) aren't the same.
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