Forrest Halley
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I broke 2 before I was told to use snap caps. I don't dry fire at all with the extended pins anymore, just shoot alot
It's a good thing I enjoy tuning my revolver. Even with snapcaps they break eventually. I am going to shorten my next EFP to a happy medium between stock and stock EFP.
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I am running C&S extended firing pins in my 625. This is the second pin I have broken since I have had my gun. I am guessing I get somewhere in the neighborhood of 7-10K trigger pulls on a pin as I dryfire the heck out of it. Am I doing something wrong here? I have been very diligient about using snap caps and replaced my last set with the last pin. Is this typical? Are there any better pins out there? Should I just go back to the factory stock or should I be shortening the next EFP?
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Tracy shoots revo+2, not single stack, she will be a revo shooter soon
I suppose Revo might suit her as she doth not subscribe to the "Hey guys look how many shells I have in the air" theory of COF completion like some others we know...it's cool to watch but the sticker price still kills me.
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Tracy is awesome! (Even if she does shoot single stack)...
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With an a case that headspaces on the case mouth, and unless you put a crazy amount of crimp into it, it's not going to change the pressure, velocity or felt recoil. If it changed one of those, it would change all of them...no way to really change recoil without changing pressure and velocity etc.
The other guy's ammo probably felt softer because he's using a heavier bullet with a faster powder than you are (or one of the two). That's the recipe for low recoil in non-compensated guns. It almost certainly had nothing significant to do with the crimp he was using. R,
I have only loaded approx. 3000 rounds for .45 ACP so I'm still learning. I guess you just never know if there's anything better until you try or stumble upon it. I definitely had a crazy amount of crimp going on, but it worked and I saw no signs of high pressure so I kept it. I have loaded 100 rounds with the proper taper crimp and will be anxious to see if a perceivable difference exists. Thanks for the input.
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First Question:
How much does the crimp on a .45 ACP affect the ability to make power factor with a given powder charge? Does a heavier crimp help or hurt this?
Question Two:
Does a heavier crimp increase the pressure of the load inside the case?
Question Three:
Does the amount of crimp have anything to do with felt recoil?
I realized that I was possibly over crimping my cases since my dies(Hornady Custom) were giving me a roll crimp instead of a taper crimp and I read that a forum user had a similar occurence. A fellow competitor/shooting mentor of mine gave me 18 rounds of .45 Major to try on a stage and the felt recoil was ridiculously low. It was 4.0gr of Clays behind a 230 Montana Gold FMJ. My load is 4.0g Bullseye behind a Speer 230 LRN. The difference was very noticeable in recoil and appearance since my loads had a roll crimp and his a taper crimp. Im using a SW 625 so I am very in touch with the recoil level. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Would love to see a group from Va. come down for our ICORE match at Caswell Ranch, the stages are always great and we always have a fun time, please join us
How many points are you willing to spot us?
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Still hoping someone has information on where to find one
of these Moonclip Dispensers ...
Yeah I'm interested too. Would love to see how it works....
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I shoot USPSA and no IDPA, bad knees. FWIW I use a Side Armour kydex for my 4" 625. Holds as snug as I want and protects everyting you'd like it to. I use the North Mountain moon clip holder. I'm not sure the NM is IDPA legal.
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"Changing over to shooting revolver is the natural evolution of things, like learning to walk upright."
D.H. Busching
The North Mountain is not legal for IDPA, but last I spoke with Bob Perdue he was experimenting with one that was. If it's a fast as the current design...look out.
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Cherryriver forgive me for not including your post in my reply. I think you make great points about the need for reloading in the open if you run dry. The SO's will soon become accustomed to you and know whether or not you are making an honest effort at the COF or making a travesty of it.
I would ask posters to please refrain from the use of "in real life" as it has been suggested by the powers that be to be basher language and seems to get threads locked out.
I choose instead to contrast the requirements of the rules with the founding principles of IDPA and sound field expedient tactics. I have no problem with a moving in the open reload, but I find kneeling or stopping to be unsound as you become more vulnerable. I agree with the "on the ground ruling" of reload where run dry, but as it is not supported by the rulebook, where I shoot all caution you on it and some actually call the PE. I have always disagreed with this practice and rule as it holds the revolver in the eyes of many to be archaic and an antiquated design. It is just like the other designs requiring a bit of adaptation to gain speed and accuracy.
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THere is no IDPA near me, so I don't shoot it. I have shot classifiers. Can you not put a bullet in each target at least and then reload and finish?
With the original COF discussed it would have made an almost 20 yd head shot to single up on each. Remember IDPA limits to a 10 yard head shot. Also you can not take the head shot first in a failure drill as it is a procedural and if by the grace of glory you make a head shot you have to shoot it again in order to achieve the required head shot. Taking three headshots on a 2+1 target to avoid the sight transition in my eyes is an FTDR because it breaks the spirit of the stage.
A side note to all: This has gotten me reacquainted with the rules and principles of IDPA. It has not cured the gamer in me, but thanks anyway.
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I have no idea for what or whom this COF is being fired, but I sure enjoy reading about the journey. Best of Luck to you!
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Not trying to turn this into a revolver thread but I don't fully agree with the above. The reason there are 5 divisions is so a ssr revolver doesn't compete against a esp 2011 9mm. Having said that I do agree that I have shot many stages that were not even close to revolver friendly and I try to take revolvers into consideration when I set up my stages. Things like the set up talked about in this stage is pretty obvious. However some revolver shooters complain when everything is not broken into 6 shot array's, so I think the entire revolver species get labeled as "the boy that Cried wolf"
Give us a twelve shot stage and we'll show you an STI that comes in second!
Some of us are delusional and believe in trying to be good overall still. Seriously I am only falling to Master class auto shooters in the 12 shot stages and I'm just a high SS. We round guns can dust 'em just as good as anybody else.I am not saying that all of the stages should be broken into 6's I do in fact enjoy the challenge of the stages. This is why I DO SHOOT IDPA. I am saying that when you tell me too bad because I am shooting a revolver it's foul. Shoot what you wish, but don't send us to the end of the earth just because you're a ten plus one thinker. I don't complain when there are three threats and a steel, but if I have to run to cover to reload, don't make me break out the hail mary shots to re-engage. I also like shooting on the move so this run to the battlements and snipe is no fun if nobody else has to do it.
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I just noticed your post with the rule and definition
Having shot revolver for the past several years almost exclusively, I have run in to some stage that were difficult for a revo shooter. I just ask enough questions to figure out how to do my best with the stage and go from there.
Not enough match directors shoot revolvers to understand the unique challenges the guns offer.
I would challenge any IDPA match director to shoot a revolver for 6 months(including at least one sanctioned match) to help increase there understanding of the round gun.
Some of them might find they enjoy it.
Wayne Ritchie
IDPA Area Coordinator
Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana
Great to hear from an area coordinator! Maybe you can suggest that Revolvers get to reload on the run as a rule change.
That oughta help Jerry beat everybody including the autos. 
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I use the safariland with cal comp holders. I wonder if anybody has both the safariland and the bladetech or comptac and can say which is the fastest.
Edit: I just changed from the paddle to the belt loop option and it made the holster a lot faster off a galco shooting belt that fits in the belt loops. Note: a drill saw and dowel that fits in the barrel of your gun come in handy to achieve the maximum vertical muzzle orientation without going forward. Questions? PM's are welcome.
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ESR SS 126 and change...blew it on stage three.
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i shoot an xdm9 in esp division, alot of the time when i go dry the slide wont lock back generally because my thumb would be pressing on or touching the slide release. this adds a little bit of time to reloads because of having to fully rack the slide. would it be legal to shave the slide stop or cut part of it off so my thumb is less likely to press on it? yes i do practice putting my thumb in the right spot but most of the time it just doesnt work that way.
thanks
I did this to a Glock of mine having the same problem. I did however leave enough to still release it manually. I saw nothing in the rules in ESP but SSP might not like it since it changes something externally visible other than grips or sights. Page 20 excluded modification number 1.
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I did not get into it with the guy that SO'd me because I had been ten years getting a moonclip out of a barrel on the previous stage and he was nice enough to run me through the stage even though he was not there officially working the match. It was later as I got better with the revolver that I realized that was a bogus stage. I have since chatted with the match director about it but he's got a likeable tendency to be set in his ways.
Mr. Christian: Idpa rules state that a reload must be initiated from behind cover when available. Emptying the cylinder counts as initiating the reload and is thus worthy of a 3 second PrizE. The COF was engage the targets with 2+1 while retreating to cover. It was a case of everybody went to cover and finished their reload and re-engagement. The issue I am airing is what defines available cover since I had to run by two threats and give them the chance to engage me in lieu of using the element of surprise/lapse in the threats OODA loop I had just generated to reload and continue the fight on the run. As I never pause in retreating/advancing to reload so this does not give me a competitive advantage I am still going to get to cover and have to take shots from it like everyone else.
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Does anyone else see anything wrong here?
At the very least I think it was a poorly designed stage because it is definitely not revolver neutral
That’s not as wrong as having to leave cover to pick up ammunition left behind and returning to cover before shooting to avoid a procedural. Even with the best set of rules you can “what if” them into something unintended.
FWIW I don't remember seeing revolver neutral in the rule book. It does say "...the problems shooters are asked to solve must reflect reality." At least in this case they do as reality is, you are empty after 6 and others are after 9 or 11.
Sir,
Please refer to page 13 of the latest and greatest rule book under COF 22. CoF should be revolver neutral whenever possible. See Glossary for further details.
Revolver Neutral: A descriptive term for a COF which does not call for revolver shooters to do impossible things. The passage ends with "Think of revolvers when designating cover, reloads, and stage requirements."
I don't think the revolver was even considered when this stage was designed as any practical and reasonable shooter would have seen the cover as "a bridge too far" and reloaded at empty when it came. This was my first ESR match and I did as a good lemming running past two bad guys (with muzzle pointed downrange) to get to cover and initiate a reload.
For the shooter that mentioned something about dropping to a knee to reload: This COF required all shots to be fired on the move and stopping and dropping down to a position of disadvantage just doesn't seem right. Remember the targets were fairly close to the shooter as they retreated past. IDPA is tactics based and I would have had to tell that SO that his tactic was unacceptable after asking him to demonstrate exactly what he meant.
The rule about sufficient cover use to fire is sufficient cover to reload also gets me here. If I am not using cover to fire as I am rereating because it is not yet available should I not be able to reload and shoot some more as it is still not available?...i.e. I am on my way to it.
I am not saying that you should butt heads with every SO you come across, but not every person that is an SO is knowledgable and conversant with respect to the rules and mission of IDPA and has the best interest of every shooter in mind when providing a ruling on how the COF should be shot. I try to provide the shooter with the fastest legal method of shooting the course or the simplest depending on skill level. People tend to SO with the same generosity/attitude they compete with.
None of this is intended to bash IDPA or its rules. This is just a big vague spot in the rulebook for me and I seek clarification so that I can be a better competitor and SO.
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SSR= Spread Shootin Revolver?
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As an SO I must advise you of this: Ask forgiveness not permission. If it is not covered in the stage brief or COF walk through...don't bring it up. That is the number one way to have a COF clamped right into a box limited by another person's imagination often someone different than the stage designer. If you can think of a way to do it that is not expressly prohibited go for it. I am personally against asking questions because if I flush my plan and do the opposite of what I just asked when the buzzer goes off and now I knew better. Don't cheat, but don't crowd yourself out of options either.
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Correct on the non wheelgunner. Let's not deviate here I'm looking for a definition of AVAILABLE COVER. The rules say that ALL reloads must be initiated from cover when cover is available. IS cover deemed available when the threats are 5 yds distant and cover is ten yards distant? How about when you must pass one or two targets with an empty gun on the way to cover?
As an SO I'd say cover is not available, but that is because I have shot CDP and ESR and don't believe either should limit you other than the round count in the gun. As a competitor I expect to make a good case that cover was not available due to the threats being between us or get a PE for reloading on the fly.
Now the debate begins about which is faster the PE and reload in the open or the run to cover and reload....all depends on your physical limitations...something IDPA was intended to cancel out. Seems like requiring the reload to be initiated from cover puts a definite advantage on young guy.
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This example is intended to illustrate the ambiguity I see in the term "available cover."
I was shooting a match that required 12 shots in the form of 4 2+1's(2 body+1 head) all while retreating on a slight diagonal to cover that was ten or so yards from the last target. The four targets were spaced at least six feet apart in distance and lateral separation. The way the COF was designed you would be about 3 to 5 yards off depending on how well you steer in reverse.
My ambiguity is this: I am shooting a revolver and have run dry by the second target. "Cover" is 15 yards away and I am passing by 2 threats on the way to cover to initiate my reload. Does anyone else see anything wrong here?
At the very least I think it was a poorly designed stage because it is definitely not revolver neutral as targets 3 and 4 are now 15 and 10 yard shots where only the last shot for the auto is a 10 yarder. In this case I find cover to be unavailable when I must pass by two threats with out engaging them all for the sake of reloading in a safe place first. I find cover to only be truly viably available for reloading use when it is not farther than the threat. I understand that distance in gunfights saves lives also. Please advise.
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I know the feeling. If my 20 yd work had been three inches higher on the IDPA classifier I'd be an expert instead of a sharpshooter. If you aren't pressed for time to take the shots, then take your time and all will be cured. I find that having the confidence in making my hits has brought me a long way.
Regards,
Forrest
This could be negotiated...
That oughta help Jerry beat everybody including the autos. 
Ok so maybe that has less of a chance than having available cover clearly defined by a max distance to the shooter when the stage begins or a clear statement that the cover is available if it's on the stage anywhere.
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I dryfire with snapcaps...and the bag that the pin came in doesn't suggest this is taboo. I replace the snapcaps regularly. I guess I will switch to the Randy Lee pin.